Camp Report 2.0

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Ok folks, I've been at camp for awhile now and I have to apologize for not doing daily updates. I type painfully slow and I dread these long posts. What I'm going to give you is my overall impressions so far. I will explain it to you like I explained it to Coach Whiz this morning: I don't know what the coaches are looking for. I don't know gap assignments, I don't know what routes are supposed to be run, and I don't presume to know coverages. So what I will give you is the fans naked eye test on natural athleticisim and raw ability.

OFFENSE

It all starts with the line. Levi Brown looks fantastic! I was a huge Levi hater but man does he look good on the left side. Fanaca has been absolutely blown up in one on ones, BUT he seems to be doing just fine in 11 on 11's. Lyle is Lyle. Rock solid. The big question mark is the RG spot. Wells has been destroyed by Darnell time and again. The same with Deuce. Neither looks good. Brandon Keith has been solid at running downs and average at pass pro.

As far as the backups: Rex Hadnot is rock solid. I love what I have seen from him. Herman Johnson looks great as well. Ben Claxton is holding down the backup center spot adequately. Moose is a great name for a lineman, and he has looked fine, but he'll become a numbers casualty. Jeremy Bridges is still an adequate backup.

QB's

I told DCR when he came up that the problem seems to be that we really don't have any pure starting qb's. Matt was awful when camp first started. Derek was CLEARLY out playing him, but the last 2-3 practices he has been solid.

Derek has been ok. In the Red/White scrimmage he CLEARLY out performed Matt, but has been average since. He is with out a doubt the front runner for #2.

Where it gets interesting is the battle for the 3 spot. Skelton was a draft pick but Max Hall is out performing him. Skeltons foot work and accuracy is pathetic. What Skelton does have is pure raw ability. He has an instant release and great arm strength. He literally just "flicks" the ball and it goes.

Max on the other hand has command of the offense. He just succeeds when given the chance. If it were up to me, They go with Matt, DA, and Hall. Skelton goes on the PS. In the 2 minute drill today Skelton threw three (count em..3) picks. Just terrible.

RB's

Tim is running with the first unit. My eye says mostly because of his superior pass catching ability, and his pass pro. He appears shiftier than in camps past. He is running hard.

Beanie seems un-godly faster than last year. The guy is going to bust some big runs this year.

LSH is a joy to watch. He gets lost in the scrum, and suddenly appears. Love that guy.

The guy who has been getting alot of reps as of late is Alfonso Smith from Kentucky. He has been stealing reps from Jason Wright but I fear he will still be a camp casualty. Hopefully PS.

Recievers

Fitz is Fitz. Nothing new. Breaston and Early have spots locked down.(As a side note, neither Stevie or Early can make it through full practices, they both seem to have nagging injuries). Where it gets interesting is the 4 and 5 spots. Ed Gant, Onrea Jones, Max Komar, Andre Roberts,Moog and Stepehen Williams are all battling for the final two. Ed, Onrea, Max, Moog,and Andre all seem to be cut from the same cloth: catch everything, but zero spectacular. They literally are a clone of one another. Very average wide recievers. The exception is Stephen Williams. He does what the others do AND he does things they can't do. I watch him and all I see is Randy Moss. He makes a sensational play every practice. In the Red/White scrimmage he stood alone, and yet somehow he appears buried on the depth chart. Gant is hurt and limping in a boot cast, so 14 is getting more reps. I spoke with Whiz about him before practice and he admitted that 14 is really impressing. Youtube the guy. You will be wowed.

TE's

Becht and Spach are solid. Becht in protection and Spach recieving. Byrd has been hurt as well as Patrick. Dray........meh. Nothing special. One thing to note is that Spach has gotten nastier at the line. Bringing attitude.

DEFENSE

9-0 is 9-0. An absolute beast. He has destroyed every lineman he has gone up against, particularly embarassing Reggie and Deuce. The most improved has to go to Calais. He looks great. Bryant is still holding the NT spot, which is disapointing (I'll explain in a minute). Iwebema, Gabe, and Branch are doing nothing special. Taking up space I guess. Levi has owned Iwebema in one on ones, and Lyle has stoned both Gabe and Branch. Now, on to Dan Williams. This altitude is killing him. He gets gassed every practice. He does not appear to be the NT of the future. He has flashes, but they are far in between. He is expected to take on the Center and a Guard, but he is getting owned by one or the other. He left practice early today with some sort of lower leg injury. That being said, as a group the DL has made the o-line their ******.

At the LB spots, it gets interesting. Paris is solid. He is where he needs to be when he needs to be there. Nothing more. Clark and Joey still have gas in the tank, that is obvious. Joey will have double digit sacks this year. Cody has been getting praise for being in the right spot at the right time (finally!) Daryl Washington has obvious athletic ability, just needs to get the playbook down. The guy can play. Will Davis has been getting alot of praise. Both on special teams and during LOS plays. Reggie Walker looked good early, but he has been hurt. Jesus is Stevie Baggs pidgeon toed!! He looks hilarious running downfield. He will make the roster on special teams alone. Bank it. Beisel will be cut. Big whoop.

DB's

DRC looks bigger upper body, but is still frail.Either way, he is shut down. Toler seems to have locked down the other side. I asked Greg about his ankle and he said he was 50/50 on it. Seemed limited today slightly. Matt Ware and Mike Adams seem to be locks. Marshay Green is getting alot of reps and attention from Donnie Henderson. Fighting for spots are Calvin, Rouse, McBride, Miller, Ford, and others. I have been most impressed with Trevor Ford but he seems buried down the depth chart.

Adrian is Adrian and is a leader out there. Folks, we finally have a FS!! Kerry looks great out there. He is the anti-Rolle. Always in position, and appears to be blitzing alot.

ST's

Ben Graham is unbelievable. Today, he was punting from the 30 and trying to drop it in a trash can set on the goal line. Crazy accurate, although he never dropped it in.

Jay Feely LOVES the game of football. He can't get enough of it. He kicked off from the 30 trying to drop it in the can, he actually THREW it in the can from the 30, he fielded punts behind his back, he ran as a blocker for Beanie, etc. etc. I love that guy!

LSH and Andre Roberts appear to be the front runners for return duties. They had DRC returning kicks for quite sometime (which made me sick, I'm glad cooler heads prevailed) Justin Miller has also seen some return duties.

NOTES

Kevin Spencer...what a great special teams coach, leaves no doubt where players are supposed to be and when they are supposed to be there. Awesome coach, can be heard everytime the ST's are on the field.

Ditto with Donnie Henderson, leaves no doubt. Great coach.

Hardest hits: 3 of them.

3) Steve Williams caught a pass in the Red/White scrimmage, got absolutely laid out by a linebacker (not sure who)....held onto the ball.

2) LSH goes off center and meets Gabe Watson....lights out LSH. Kinda funny.

1) Calais tries to run a stunt in the A gap and is met by Timmy. Tim literally lifted him off the ground. The shot heard round the world.

That is all for now. One more practice and they head down the hill for the Texans game.

I'll answer any questions as they come. So far I have had talks with Whiz, Wolfley, Graves, Calvisi, Mike B, Toler, Washington, Baggs, Matt, DRC, Trevor, and Max Hall so I'll relate what I can.

BTW- They are looking forward to the 9'ers game.

That is all for now.

Brian
 

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Good stuff Brian! Great to see you guys! Thanks for the Whiskey! :)
 

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What an outstanding report, Brian!

We get the most detailed and accurate reports from our own ASFNers...it's just awesome! This was one great read! Thank You!
 

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Brian, Everytime I read a report from one of you guys, it seems somehow to be even better than the last one. I don't know how you do it-----just keep them coming. Good Lord, you guys are great.

As an aside, Has Michael B. got his eye on anything special that he particulary likes, about TC?
 

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Like what I read about Baggs. Hope he makes the team
 

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I've been prt of this board for many years. It's always been the spot for Cardinals news and info, thats what makes it so good. I always go here first for my Cardinals fix. That report was as good as I've read and there have been a lot of great reports, Thanks.

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Brian, if you have the time could you write up your observations of the Houston game for us out-of-towners who won't be able to see the game until Monday?

I ask this of anyone and everyone. If you have the time, we would much appreciate it! Thanks!:newcards:
 

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Thanks for taking the time to write that up Brian! EXCELLENT reporting!
 
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Brian - Outstanding report!! :thumbup:
The big question mark is the RG spot. Wells has been destroyed by Darnell time and again. The same with Deuce. Neither looks good.

As far as the backups: Rex Hadnot is rock solid. I love what I have seen from him.
Seems like the biggest problem with our guards is NINE-0. ;)
Dockett is on a mission to prove that he is the best DL in the league!

Where it gets interesting is the battle for the 3 spot. Skelton was a draft pick but Max Hall is out performing him. Skeltons foot work and accuracy is pathetic. What Skelton does have is pure raw ability. He has an instant release and great arm strength. He literally just "flicks" the ball and it goes.

Max on the other hand has command of the offense. He just succeeds when given the chance. If it were up to me, They go with Matt, DA, and Hall. Skelton goes on the PS. In the 2 minute drill today Skelton threw three (count em..3) picks. Just terrible.
This is going to be a tough call for the coaches... At least right now; and maybe for this year; Hall seems to be the better choice for #3. However Skelton's future potential makes him alluring. It may come down to the question of which they feel has a better chance of clearing waivers, so they can get him onto the practice squad. While I haven't seen either Hall or Skelton yet, my opinion is to keep the guy that wins the job; don't get fascinated by potential!
RB's

Tim is running with the first unit. My eye says mostly because of his superior pass catching ability, and his pass pro. He appears shiftier than in camps past. He is running hard.

Beanie seems un-godly faster than last year. The guy is going to bust some big runs this year.

LSH is a joy to watch. He gets lost in the scrum, and suddenly appears. Love that guy.

The guy who has been getting alot of reps as of late is Alfonso Smith from Kentucky. He has been stealing reps from Jason Wright but I fear he will still be a camp casualty. Hopefully PS.
Most talented group of RB's for the Cardinals since at least the 70's... Can't wait to watch this group in games!!!


9-0 is 9-0. An absolute beast. He has destroyed every lineman he has gone up against, particularly embarassing Reggie and Deuce. The most improved has to go to Calais. He looks great. Bryant is still holding the NT spot, which is disapointing (I'll explain in a minute). Iwebema, Gabe, and Branch are doing nothing special. Taking up space I guess. Levi has owned Iwebema in one on ones, and Lyle has stoned both Gabe and Branch. Now, on to Dan Williams. This altitude is killing him. He gets gassed every practice. He does not appear to be the NT of the future. He has flashes, but they are far in between. He is expected to take on the Center and a Guard, but he is getting owned by one or the other. He left practice early today with some sort of lower leg injury. That being said, as a group the DL has made the o-line their ******.
Whiz has commented that Watson has impressed during camp so far! Sendlien is probably the Cardinals most underrated (by fans) lineman.

Regarding Williams, the kid appears to have a great attitude, but he's young and needs some toughening. I don't expect a great deal from him this season except for some decent reps; then hope to see a stronger, tougher, meaner NT next year.

At the LB spots, it gets interesting. Paris is solid. He is where he needs to be when he needs to be there. Nothing more. Clark and Joey still have gas in the tank, that is obvious. Joey will have double digit sacks this year. Cody has been getting praise for being in the right spot at the right time (finally!) Daryl Washington has obvious athletic ability, just needs to get the playbook down. The guy can play. Will Davis has been getting alot of praise. Both on special teams and during LOS plays. Reggie Walker looked good early, but he has been hurt. Jesus is Stevie Baggs pidgeon toed!! He looks hilarious running downfield. He will make the roster on special teams alone. Bank it. Beisel will be cut. Big whoop.
I'm pulling for Baggs! He's a guy that has worked his tail off to overcome challenges and be successful.

Somewhat surprised by the stark appraisal of Beisel. This is the first anyone has said that he won't make the cut. I mean, it's not surprising that he hasn't impressed, but that he has fallen off so badly.

DRC looks bigger upper body, but is still frail.Either way, he is shut down. Toler seems to have locked down the other side. I asked Greg about his ankle and he said he was 50/50 on it. Seemed limited today slightly. Matt Ware and Mike Adams seem to be locks. Marshay Green is getting alot of reps and attention from Donnie Henderson. Fighting for spots are Calvin, Rouse, McBride, Miller, Ford, and others. I have been most impressed with Trevor Ford but he seems buried down the depth chart.

Adrian is Adrian and is a leader out there. Folks, we finally have a FS!! Kerry looks great out there. He is the anti-Rolle. Always in position, and appears to be blitzing alot. (Editing liberty) ...what a DB's coach, leaves no doubt where players are supposed to be and when they are supposed to be there. Awesome coach, can be heard everytime the DB's are on the field. ...Donnie Henderson, leaves no doubt. Great coach.
The biggest improvement with this unit is in the coaching; it will make a difference!

Ben Graham is unbelievable. Today, he was punting from the 30 and trying to drop it in a trash can set on the goal line. Crazy accurate, although he never dropped it in.

Jay Feely LOVES the game of football. He can't get enough of it. He kicked off from the 30 trying to drop it in the can, he actually THREW it in the can from the 30, he fielded punts behind his back, he ran as a blocker for Beanie, etc. etc. I love that guy!
Graham is a pleasure to watch - incredible talent. Feely should be an improvement. :finger's crossed:
Hardest hits: 3 of them.

1) Calais tries to run a stunt in the A gap and is met by Timmy. Tim literally lifted him off the ground. The shot heard round the world.
An example of why Hightower is still the starter. Whiz is looking for Wells to relish and take on the other jobs of a RB before "promoting" him.

BTW- They are looking forward to the 9'ers game.
Hopefully the team is looking forward to the ten games before they play San Francisco! Let them worry about chasing Arizona... To beat San Francisco twice but lose the division to them would really suck!!! :mad:
 

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"Whiz has commented that Watson has impressed during camp so far! Sendlien is probably the Cardinals most underrated (by fans) lineman."

I certainly hope that Watson can return to his preinjury form. He had the making of a very good DT. I still can't stomach the way the Sendlien tips the snap count. Until they cure that I fear that he is a far bigger liability than asset. This is particularly true against the 49ers who just ate our lunch last year because of his failure.
 
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I still can't stomach the way the Sendlien tips the snap count. Until they cure that I fear that he is a far bigger liability than asset. This is particularly true against the 49ers who just ate our lunch last year because of his failure.
I recall something about this topic last year. And it certainly seemed the 49ers had some advantage. Do you recall the source of the comment of Sendlein tipping the snap?
 

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While I haven't seen either Hall or Skelton yet, my opinion is to keep the guy that wins the job; don't get fascinated by potential!

I think that is exactly what you do with a 3rd QB. You pick someone with the most potential. We are talking about a guy who 99.9% of the time will never see the light of day beyond a clip board.
 
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I think that is exactly what you do with a 3rd QB. You pick someone with the most potential. We are talking about a guy who 99.9% of the time will never see the light of day beyond a clip board.
Ever think that maybe that is why 99.9% of them never see the light of day; because the coaches get fascinated with their potential instead of evaluating what they see happening on the field?
 
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I recall something about this topic last year. And it certainly seemed the 49ers had some advantage. Do you recall the source of the comment of Sendlein tipping the snap?

The only thing I remember from last year had to do with the Vikings and we were the ones tipped off on their snap count.
 

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Jesus is Stevie Baggs pidgeon toed!! He looks hilarious running downfield.

Good write up, glad somebody else noticed this. It's crazy watching him move, but he's surprisingly fast.
 

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Ever think that maybe that is why 99.9% of them never see the light of day; because the coaches get fascinated with their potential instead of evaluating what they see happening on the field?

Isn't showing potential showing something on the field?
 

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Good write up, glad somebody else noticed this. It's crazy watching him move, but he's surprisingly fast.

I was always amazed at how quickly he could turn the corner up here in the CFL.
 

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I think that is exactly what you do with a 3rd QB. You pick someone with the most potential. We are talking about a guy who 99.9% of the time will never see the light of day beyond a clip board.
I'm more paranoid about injuries than that. If I'm choosing between two #3's - one with more talent & potential but the other more game-ready, I'd rather stash the potential guy on the PS and keep the guy more ready-to-play on my regular roster.

The only caveat being the risk (if any) of having to waive the high-potential guy in order to re-sign him to the PS. (i.e. If the team was very high on Skelton's raw skill and "po", they might opt to keep him instead of Hall if they felt another team might steal Skelton).

But other than that - if the Cards felt we'd have a better chance of winning with Hall (should he be forced into action), then they should give Hall the #3 spot. Of course, they could also feel that sneaking Hall onto the PS might be less risky than doing so with Skelton and this might be a consideration as well.
 

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I'm more paranoid about injuries than that. If I'm choosing between two #3's - one with more talent & potential but the other more game-ready, I'd rather stash the potential guy on the PS and keep the guy more ready-to-play on my regular roster.

The only caveat being the risk (if any) of having to waive the high-potential guy in order to re-sign him to the PS. (i.e. If the team was very high on Skelton's raw skill and "po", they might opt to keep him instead of Hall if they felt another team might steal Skelton).

But other than that - if the Cards felt we'd have a better chance of winning with Hall (should he be forced into action), then they should give Hall the #3 spot. Of course, they could also feel that sneaking Hall onto the PS might be less risky than doing so with Skelton and this might be a consideration as well.

If you're down to your emergency 3rd QB in a game, you're going to lose anyway. Then, next week you're going to go out and sign a veteran who can take the playbook and execute on Sunday.

Your number three is a guy who hope to develop into your #2 80% of the time. Unless you have a Wildcat QB like Tebow or Pat White, you hope that you never have to play your #3 QB in a game. Ever. Because that's when you lose.

If you have an example of a developmental #3 coming in and helping his team win a game, I'd love to hear it. But for the most part, if you lose 2 quarterbacks in the same game, it's not a good sign for how things are going on the field.
 
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