Camp update # 2 AM practice 7/28/2008

[Shane]

Since when do the Cards practice at 2 AM?

Its report #2 the AM practice..... DUH!

 

[Mulli]

Thats hilarious. Especially considering both abomb and I saw it with both sets of eyes. We also saw him get verbally scolded from the coach telling him he needs to get better.

Seems he is on par with everyhting else at least from my POV.

So Leinart can't get "scolded" and still be ahead of last year?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

not according to Shane and abomb I guess.....

 

[Mulli]

Its report #2 the AM practice..... DUH!

It doesn't say that.

 

[moklerman]

Yeah, keep antagonizing these guys for putting up reports. Maybe they'll stop and we won't have to put up with grammatical errors in their thread titles. Sheesh.

Thanks again, you guys. I think your observations are much better than any of the propaganda that might get filtered our way.

 

[football karma]

1) Leinart's way ahead of where he was last season, and is especially more accurate in drills.

2) The Cards are imagining a bit role for Tim Hightower this season. He was taking 1st team snaps with Edge James ahead of Marcel Shipp and J.J. Arrington, who will probably not have a job.

3) Chike Okeafor looks real good coming off injury. Bertrand Berry is in a battle for a starting job with LaBoy.

4) Breaston is entrenched as the #3 WR.

5) DRC is fast, without question. He has a lot to learn technique wise.

6) Calais Campbell certainly stands out for his size. He towers above his teammates. Whether he can actually play is still an open question.

Don't shoot the messenger.

For me, I hope that Whis starts getting physical with the practices. This team came out of camp soft last year, and were soft and undisciplined all season long. No more movie nights.

Kemp is no Cardinal fan, so his observations are 100% kool aid free.

#1 and #3 make me happy.

#2 doesnt surprise me. You are in trouble if you expect a 5th rounder to come in and play a big role on your team.

Re #4 -- Leinart was just on with Gambo and Ash -- also said Steve B has been great.

#6 -- the Cards dont need him to be a starter -- just come in, contribute, and if he can contribute some aspect the d-line doesnt have, all the better.

 

[DaisyCutter]

How much of the propensity to "dump off" comes from having Reggie Bush to dump it to in college? Anyone know if that was a frequent event at USC? Could be a habit that will take some time to break. Like Vince Young learning not to take off running too soon.

It would be very Cardinal for them to have drafted a Trent Green instead of a Carson Palmer.

That cuts both ways. How much has Warner been taught to look deep first from his time as NFL MVP with Martz, as well? Leinart is used to taking his chances deep, but the system he ran under Norm Chow was a modified West Coast scheme where the QB looks to get rid of the ball quickly and let his WRs do the work.

#2 doesnt surprise me. You are in trouble if you expect a 5th rounder to come in and play a big role on your team.

Sorry, that was a meaningful typo on my part. Kemp thinks the Cards are projecting a big role for Hightower his rookie season. He's getting reps with the first team head of the more veteran running backs. Manage your expectations appropriately.

He also noted that the Cards seemed to be running more pitch-out plays in this morning's practice than they'd run all of last season put together, but this may be because they were practicing defending it. The Cards still don't have a player that can get to the outside with any real ability.

 

[joeshmo]

That cuts both ways. How much has Warner been taught to look deep first from his time as NFL MVP with Martz, as well? Leinart is used to taking his chances deep, but the system he ran under Norm Chow was a modified West Coast scheme where the QB looks to get rid of the ball quickly and let his WRs do the work.

Its also why Edge likes Matt more as the QB. If the run game isnt working again dumping off to Edge for 6-7 yards a gain is just as good. An area I dont think we utilized enough last season.

He also noted that the Cards seemed to be running more pitch-out plays in this morning's practice than they'd run all of last season put together, but this may be because they were practicing defending it. The Cards still don't have a player that can get to the outside with any real ability.

We may be trying to. Heard a report that the Oline have been practicing a lot of pulling so far as well as in the OTA's. May not be just a practice defending it type thing. We may be practicing the Stretch play.

 

[football karma]

Sorry, that was a meaningful typo on my part. Kemp thinks the Cards are projecting a big role for Hightower his rookie season. He's getting reps with the first team head of the more veteran running backs. Manage your expectations appropriately.

He also noted that the Cards seemed to be running more pitch-out plays in this morning's practice than they'd run all of last season put together, but this may be because they were practicing defending it. The Cards still don't have a player that can get to the outside with any real ability.

well -- I think that says as much about Shipp and JJ as it does about Hightower. I would love for this kid to be one of those rookies who blows away expectations, but I see anything from him this year as gravy.

 

[Carddan]

I already can't wait for the "# 3 PM Practice" summary.

 

[D-Dogg]

Bob Kemp is a major dbag...I'm shocked he said anything remotely decent about the cards.

 

[abomb]

Bob Kemp is a major dbag...I'm shocked he said anything remotely decent about the cards.

Co-sign.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Bob Kemp is a major dbag...I'm shocked he said anything remotely decent about the cards.

I don't know. He's up on them this season, and he gets good national guests. He was also the first on the bandwagon that maybe J.J. Arrington wouldn't be a 1600 yard rusher as a rookie.

He calls them like he sees them, and it's not like it's been easy to be high on the Cards the last 8 years or so. They've been pretty terrible.

 

[moklerman]

I don't understand why Warner is perceived as not throwing to his RB's. I mean, Faulk and Barber both had a lot of receptions so it's not like he's never done it before.

 

[40yearfan]

I don't understand why Warner is perceived as not throwing to his RB's. I mean, Faulk and Barber both had a lot of receptions so it's not like he's never done it before.

When you have a WR corps like the Cards have, RB's won't get as much thrown to them. Throwing to Q across he middle is just as effective if not more so. Warner knows that and throws accordingly.

 

[SeattleCard]

thanks for the updates!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[moklerman]

When you have a WR corps like the Cards have, RB's won't get as much thrown to them. Throwing to Q across he middle is just as effective if not more so. Warner knows that and throws accordingly.

That's logical but the original statement makes even less sense when looking at the numbers.

In the first four games in '07(Leinart starts), Edge had a total of 6 receptions and from what I can see, only twice with more than 2 in a game with Leinart at QB. The last 4 games in '07, he had 12 with Warner. As the coaches and players adjusted to their first year together, he started getting more receptions.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't understand why Warner is perceived as not throwing to his RB's. I mean, Faulk and Barber both had a lot of receptions so it's not like he's never done it before.

Where'd you get that Warner was perceived as not throwing to his RBS?

All I know is that if I had Reggie Bush in my backfield I'd be looking to dump the ball to him whenever things got a little hot and we were (well I was) asking about that becoming a habit/crutch so to speak for Matt L. Not saying it was real just asking about it.

The same could be said of the criticism of Warner holding the ball too long because he was used to Bruce and Holt getting deep. Players are humans not robots and things like that affect how they play whether we as fans want to accept it or not.

 

[Skkorpion]

Thanks to everybody for updates. Bob Kemp's opinions are worth hearing. Right now, every observer's views are interesting to me.

Everybody has a filter. Kemp, Shane, Somers and all of us. So the more eyes, the better. We get to sift opinions. If you go to camp, give us what you think you saw, please.

Wish I was there.

 

[ajcardfan]

Where'd you get that Warner was perceived as not throwing to his RBS?.

Probably the Saints game where he and Haley got in a screaming match because he held onto the ball and fumbled instead of dumping it to the RB. It was actually probably posted as a criticism of Warner after almost every game he started last year.

 

[CardLogic]

It would be very Cardinal for them to have drafted a Trent Green instead of a Carson Palmer.

I hope Leinart becomes a great QB for the Cardinals, BUT...

Imo, Palmer was a better college QB than Leinart. He took longer to develop in college, his first couple of years he had a tendency to choke, iirc. But by his senior year Palmer had "come into his own." Add in the fact that Palmer wasn't working with as good a team overall as was Leinart, his entire college career.

I don't believe that Leinart projects to be as good a NFL QB as Palmer already is.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't know. He's up on them this season, and he gets good national guests. He was also the first on the bandwagon that maybe J.J. Arrington wouldn't be a 1600 yard rusher as a rookie.

He calls them like he sees them, and it's not like it's been easy to be high on the Cards the last 8 years or so. They've been pretty terrible.

He skewers anyone who calls in about the Cards and is optimistic about their chances. He demands callers back up their opinions, and it's been really hard to back up optimism about the Cardinals.


Winning cures all. It will even make radio hosts less annoying.

 

[DaisyCutter]

That's logical but the original statement makes even less sense when looking at the numbers.

In the first four games in '07(Leinart starts), Edge had a total of 6 receptions and from what I can see, only twice with more than 2 in a game with Leinart at QB. The last 4 games in '07, he had 12 with Warner. As the coaches and players adjusted to their first year together, he started getting more receptions.

I think that has to do with Whis's system more than anything else. No RB on the Steelers got any passes his way. I think that's one reason why Edge was bellyaching a little toward the middle of last season.

I think that Warner eventually gets to the RB, and will go to him if that's what the play calls for (which happened with both Faulk and Barber), but it certainly seems like Warner would rather force the ball to a guy 15+ yards into his route than dump it off to an outlet WR.

 

[moklerman]

Where'd you get that Warner was perceived as not throwing to his RBS?

Sorry, your comment was just added to the various other times I've seen it posted on message boards. I've seen it more than once though and it always kind of surprises me since not that long ago, there was criticism that Warner just needed to throw it to the receivers and let them make a play.

I realize it isn't difficult to find both sides of any argument, your comment just made me think that the idea that Warner doesn't get it to his RB's is more common than it probably is.

 

[Duckjake]

I hope Leinart becomes a great QB for the Cardinals, BUT...

Imo, Palmer was a better college QB than Leinart. He took longer to develop in college, his first couple of years he had a tendency to choke, iirc. But by his senior year Palmer had "come into his own." Add in the fact that Palmer wasn't working with as good a team overall as was Leinart, his entire college career.

I don't believe that Leinart projects to be as good a NFL QB as Palmer already is.

I agree. However the point I was trying to make was that Palmer had a great NFL season rather quickly while Green languished for several years before coming into his own with the Chiefs and that we of course get the guy that is going to take 5-8 years to develop into a star NFL QB.