Cardinal Tough: The Decisions

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
When I started doing my research on this draft my major concern was in addressing the overall toughness of this football team. What I think this team needs more than anything else are players who are self-starters and who are self-motivated...players who come into the organization sporting 100 watt light bulbs...players who are hungry for production...and, most of all, hungry to win.

As many of you did, I took last season very hard. I was so disgusted at the effort and the coaching that the games were no longer fun to watch. The only reprieve I felt, was watching QB John Skelton play fearlessly and play like he loved every minute of it.

I do not want the Cardinals to draft on potential any more. Like Bill Parcells always said, "potential means you haven't done anything yet."

When you draft for potential---you miss out on drafting for leadership.

To be perfectly honest, I feel the Cardinals need leaders and self-starters more than ever because I have little faith in the motivational skills of the current coaching staff (save Ray Horton---whom I hope is the wind of change we so desperately need---and save Kevin Spencer whom I think is head and shoulders the best coach on the staff).

When I look at organizations like the Pittsburgh Steelers...what I admire so much is that there is an expectation that when you become a Steeler you buckle up that chin strap and you smash someone in the mouth and you do your job to the fullest or you don't play. It's that simple.

I do not see that kind of expectation in Arizona.

When I look at why the Cardinals are now looking up at the once hapless St. Louis Rams, what I see is a team that played hard every game. What I see is a very well prepared defense---coached by an astute defensive preparer in Steve Spagnuolo---and carried through by tough players like DE Chris Long, LB James Laurinaitis, CB Ron Bartell and SS Craig Dahl who play hard every snap---and to me all four of those players aren't anyone's first choice for the Pro Bowl, but they are self-starters who will battle you tooth and nail and who are hungry to win.

In addition---my other criterion for identifying players for the Cardinals is finding the ones who are the right type of fits for the style of offense (dink and dunk) and defense (34) we play.

If you are going to run a steady diet of the dink and dunk, you don't draft run mauler tackles like Levi Brown or RBs like Beanie Wells. You just don't. And anyone who thinks you can be maulers in the running game and masters of the dink and dunk is mistaken. Here is the reason why. What Kurt Warner was able to impress upon Whiz and Todd Haley is that a QB in the dink and dunk needs to get into a rhythm---and the only way to do that is pass first and quite frequently and run when the defense is on its heels and is less apt to expect it.

When you run on first and second downs, the QB has to be sharp enough to convert key thirds and mediums or thirds and shorts, having yet thrown a pass on the series. If the rhythm isn't there yet---the result is often a 3 and out. This puts your defense right back out on the field and gives the other team the chance to jump out early on you.

Therefore...with a focus on toughness, character, leadership and natural fit, these are the players that I have identified as future Cardinals:

Note: In parenthesis I have included Nolan Nawrocki's (Pro Football Weekly's draft guru) draft value---he breaks each round down into three parts: 1A, 1B, and 1C, 2A, 2B, 2C, 3A, etc.

QB:

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (1A)
Andy Dalton, TCU (2A)
Christian Ponder, Florida St. (2B)
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada (3A)
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa (3B)
Greg McElroy, Alabama (6B)

RB:

Shane Vereen, California (2C)
Daniel Thomas, Kansas St. (3B)
Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St. (4A)
Bilal Powell, Lousiville (4C)
DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma (5A)
Jordan Todman, Connecticut (5C)
Derrick Locke, Kentucky (UCFA)

FB/TE/HB:

Virgil Green, Nevada (2C)
Owen Marecic, Stanford (5A)
D.J. Williams, Arkansas (5C)
Shaun Chapas, Georgia (6A)
Charles Clay, Tulsa (6B)
Preston Dial, Alabama (UCFA)
Camerson Graham, Louisville (UCFA)

WR:

A.J. Green, Georgia (1A)
Julio Jones, Alabama (1A)
Randall Cobb, Kentucky (2A)
Gregory Salas, Hawaii (3A)
Dwayne Harris, East Carolina (4A)
Jeremy Kerley, TCU (5B)
Darvin Adams, Auburn (6B)

OL:

Anthony Castonzo, Boston College (1B)
Derek Sherrod, Mississippi St. (1C)
Danny Watkins, Baylor (1C)
James Carpenter, Alabama (2B)
Rodney Hudson, Florida St. (2C)
Clint Boling, Georgia (2C)
Will Rackley, Lehigh (3A)
Steve Wisniewski, Penn. St. (4C)
Jah Reid, Central Florida (4A)
David Arkin, Missouri St. (5B)
Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh (5C)
Keith Williams, Nebraska (7B)
Jake Kirkpatrick, TCU (7B)
Ray Dominguez, Arkansas (7C)
Chase Beeler, Stanford (UCFA)

NT:

Phil Taylor, Baylor (1C)
Steven Paea, Oregon St. (2A)
Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson (2C)
Ian Williams, Notre Dame (5B)
Siona Fua, Stanford (5C)
Jerrell Powe, Mississippi (7A)
Chris Neild, West Virginia (7C)
Kenrick Ellis, Hampton (UCFA)

34DE:

Camerson Jordan, California (1B)
J.J. Watt, Wisconsin (1B)
Muhammed Wilkerson, Temple (1C)
Cameron Heyward, Ohio St. (2A)
Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh (4A)
Karl Klug, Iowa (5C)
Pernell McPhee, Mississippi St. (5B)
Zach Clayton, Auburn (6C)

34OLB:

Von Miller, Texas A&M (1A)
Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue (1B)
Justin Houston, Georgia (2A)
Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh (2B)
Brooks Reed, Arizona (3A)
Sam Acho, Texas (3A)
Chris Carter, Fresno St. (4A)
Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma (4B)
Cliff Matthews, South Carolina (4C)
Mark Herzlich, Boston College (6C)
Ricky Elmore, Arizona (7B)
Bruce Miller, Central Florida (7B)

34ILB:

Bruce Carter, North Carolina (2C)
Kelvin Sheppard, LSU (3C)
Nate Irving, North Carolina St. (4C)
Casey Matthews, Oregon (5A)
Mason Foster, Washington (5A)
Ross Homan, Ohio St. (5B)
Mario Harvey, Marshall (UCFA)

CB:

Patrick Peterson, LSU (1A)
Prince Amakaumara, Nebraska (1A)
Ras-I Dowling, Virginia (2A)
Sharece Wright, USC (3A)
Buster Skrine, Tennessee-Chattanooga (4C)
Kendrick Burney, North Carolina (5B)

SS:

Dontay Moch, Nevada (3B)
Joe Legefed, Rutgers (4C)
Shiloh Keo, Idaho (5B)
Lawrence Wilson, Connecticut (5C)

What I Believe the Cardinals are Aiming To DO:

1. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
2. Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
3. Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
4. Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas St.
5. Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
6. Cedric Thornton, 34DE, Southern Arkansas
6. Shaky Smithson, WR/KR, Utah
7. Scott Riddle, QB, Elon

The main question here is whether Brooks Reed will be still on the board at #38. I do not believe he will be. Nor do I think Jabbal Sheard will be there either. I think once again the Cardinals will be shout out of the top OLB/DE talent.

If Reed is gone at #38, the hope becomes T Derek Sherrod, G Danny Watkins or DT Phil Taylor...but they too are unlikely to be there. Several mocks have them going in the late first round now. So here's what I think happens:

1. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
2. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
3. Sam Acho, 34OLB, Texas
4. Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas St.
5. Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall
6. Andre Smith, TE, Virginia Tech
6. Shaky Smithson, WR/KR, Utah
7. Scott Riddle, QB, Elon

This is a very good draft. You have talented, high effort players here.

But...as you know by now...this is not exactly what I am hoping for...or what I would do.

Brand New Cardinals' T-Shirt Cardinal Tough Draft Contest:newcards:(of your choice from the Cardinals' team Shop)

To the ASFNer who gets the most choices correct on my final Mitch Mock..v. 11.

Here is the setup: I am trading the #5 pick to the Houston Texans for their #11, #73 and #105 picks. So here are the picks:

11.________________________________
38.________________________________
69.________________________________
73.________________________________
103._______________________________
105._______________________________
136._______________________________
171._______________________________
184._______________________________
249._______________________________

And to make it easier...I will narrow the choices:

11. a) Watt, DE b) Jordan, DE; c) Kerrigan, OLB/DE; d) Castonzo, T

38. a) Paea, DT; b) Heyward, DE; c) Cobb, WR; d) Dowling, CB

69. a) Acho, OLB/DE; b) Salas, WR; c) Moch, SS/OLB; d) Wright, cb

73. a) Vereen, rb; b) Green, TE; c) Boling, G; d) Carpenter, T

103. a) Romeus, DE; b) C. Carter, OLB; c) Fua, NT; d) Legefed, S

105. a) Matthews, OLB; b) Beal, OLB; c) Foster, ILB; d) Wisniewski, C

136. a) Marecic, FB; b) Murray, RB; c) McElroy, QB; d) Matthews, ILB

171. a) Chapas, FB; b) Hurd, G; c) Klug, 34DE; d) Enderle, QB

184. a) Bair, 34DE; b) Devlin, QB; c) Locke, RB; d) Dominguez, T

249. a) Sanzenbacher, WR; b) Whalen, WR; c) Beeler, C; d) Powe, NT


I will post my Mitch Mock V. 11 tomorrow morning...and will announce the winner then.

GO CARDINALS:newcards:!
 
Last edited:

DemsMyBoys

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 18, 2008
Posts
12,372
Reaction score
4,636
Location
Cave Creek
Well, since my Magic Dust theory doesn't apply, I'll go with:

11. Jordan
38. Paea
69. Moch
73. Vareen
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. Murray
171. Hurn
184. Locke
249. Sanzenbacher

Go Cardinals! :newcards:
 

Chris_Sanders

Not Always The Best Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
39,082
Reaction score
29,176
Location
Scottsdale, Az
I will flip out if the Cardinals drop back 6 spots and only pick up a third and a fourth.
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
114,718
Reaction score
54,579
Sometime I'd like the Cardinals do a New England and just keep dropping back and moving around in the draft collecting loads of picks. I'm not saying Graves could successfully do it but it would be fun to watch for the fans.
 

Cardiac

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jul 21, 2002
Posts
12,047
Reaction score
3,240
Brand New Cardinals' T-Shirt Cardinal Tough Draft Contest:newcards:(of your choice from the Cardinals' team Shop)

To the ASFNer who gets the most choices correct on my final Mitch Mock..v. 11.

Here is the setup: I am trading the #5 pick to the Houston Texans for their #11, #73 and #105 picks. So here are the picks:

11. Kerrigan
38. Cobb
69. Moch
73. Green
103. Romeus
105. Wiesnewski
136. McElroy
171. Chapas
184. Dominquez
249. Powe

And to make it easier...I will narrow the choices:

11. a) Watt, DE b) Jordan, DE; c) Kerrigan, OLB/DE; d) Castonzo, T

38. a) Paea, DT; b) Heyward, DE; c) Cobb, WR; d) Dowling, CB

69. a) Acho, OLB/DE; b) Salas, WR; c) Moch, SS/OLB; d) Wright, cb

73. a) Vereen, rb; b) Green, TE; c) Boling, G; d) Carpenter, T

103. a) Romeus, DE; b) C. Carter, OLB; c) Fua, NT; d) Legefed, S

105. a) Matthews, OLB; b) Beal, OLB; c) Foster, ILB; d) Wisniewski, C

136. a) Marecic, FB; b) Murray, RB; c) McElroy, QB; d) Matthews, ILB

171. a) Chapas, FB; b) Hurd, G; c) Klug, 34DE; d) Enderle, QB

184. a) Bair, 34DE; b) Devlin, QB; c) Locke, RB; d) Dominguez, T

249. a) Sanzenbacher, WR; b) Whalen, WR; c) Beeler, C; d) Powe, NT


I will post my Mitch Mock V. 11 tomorrow morning...and will announce the winner then.

GO CARDINALS:newcards:!

What have you done with Herzlich? I thought for sure he would make your list.

I've greatly enjoyed the Cardinal Tough series and if I haven't stated it yet thanks for the info and effort. Do you take vacation this time of the year for the draft or does it fall during Easter break at your school (IIRC).
 

BigRedFan

Registered
Joined
Jan 12, 2005
Posts
1,114
Reaction score
2
I wouldn't mind something similar as we don't really have a perfect fit in the top 5; the San Diego Ryan leaf trade has spoiled us a bit. And just because we screwed this up in the past doesn't mean the idea should be permanently disregarded.

Sometime I'd like the Cardinals do a New England and just keep dropping back and moving around in the draft collecting loads of picks. I'm not saying Graves could successfully do it but it would be fun to watch for the fans.
 

Chris_Sanders

Not Always The Best Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
39,082
Reaction score
29,176
Location
Scottsdale, Az
I will try to guess Mitch's Mock

11. c) Kerrigan, OLB/DE

38. d) Dowling, CB

69. a) Acho, OLB/DE

73. d) Carpenter, T

103. a) Romeus, DE

105. c) Foster, ILB;

136. c) McElroy, QB

171. a) Chapas, FB

184. c) Locke, RB

249. d) Powe, NT
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
Sometime I'd like the Cardinals do a New England and just keep dropping back and moving around in the draft collecting loads of picks. I'm not saying Graves could successfully do it but it would be fun to watch for the fans.

I agree...especially in this draft, where the greatest value is in Rounds 2-5.
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
Well, since my Magic Dust theory doesn't apply, I'll go with:

11. Jordan
38. Paea
69. Moch
73. Vareen
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. Murray
171. Hurn
184. Locke
249. Sanzenbacher

Go Cardinals! :newcards:
Everyone gets a second try:

Dems: 4/10 matches
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
What have you done with Herzlich? I thought for sure he would make your list.

I've greatly enjoyed the Cardinal Tough series and if I haven't stated it yet thanks for the info and effort. Do you take vacation this time of the year for the draft or does it fall during Easter break at your school (IIRC).

Thanks, Cardiac. Yeah, I should have included Herzlich.

Yes, this week is our April vacation.

I now have a clean house---the squirrels are less frequently in the bird feeder---and I just bought my very first 4 slice toaster!

Have a great Easter weekend!

BTW: 4/10 matches for the t-shirt. You get another try.
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
I will try to guess Mitch's Mock

11. c) Kerrigan, OLB/DE

38. d) Dowling, CB

69. a) Acho, OLB/DE

73. d) Carpenter, T

103. a) Romeus, DE

105. c) Foster, ILB;

136. c) McElroy, QB

171. a) Chapas, FB

184. c) Locke, RB

249. d) Powe, NT

Chris: 4/10. Give it another shot if you want. Everyone gets another try.
 

bg7brd

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Posts
2,188
Reaction score
98
11. Kerrigan
38. Heyward
69. Wright
73. Carpenter
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. McElroy
171. Hurd
184. Locke
249. Whalen
 

Chris_Sanders

Not Always The Best Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
39,082
Reaction score
29,176
Location
Scottsdale, Az
Using Mitch's own round/tough criteria but not his selections, here is how I would draft here:

11. Kerrigan OLB
38. Kaepernick QB
69. Green TE
73. Carpenter T
103. Sheppard ILB
105. Wisnewski C
136. Fua NT
171. Klug DE
184. Herzlich OLB
249. Locke RB

Thoughts: Finally a TE. Great QB for the future. Defense front 7 heavily addressed. Good pieces for O-Line. I really see Kaepernick and Sheppard as good values.
 
Last edited:
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
11. Kerrigan
38. Heyward
69. Wright
73. Carpenter
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. McElroy
171. Hurd
184. Locke
249. Whalen

5/10, Bg7brd. You get another try, if you want. You've been the closest thus far.
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
Using Mitch's own round/tough criteria but not his selections, here is how I would draft here:

11. Kerrigan OLB
38. Kaepernick QB
69. Green TE
73. Carpenter T
103. Sheppard ILB
105. Wisnewski C
136. Fua NT
171. Klug DE
184. Herzlich OLB
249. Locke RB

Thoughts: Finally a TE. Great QB for the future. Defense front 7 heavily addressed. Good pieces for O-Line. I really see Kaepernick and Sheppard as good values.

I would do backflips---Rolle style---for this draft, Chris! I would love Kaepernick at #38, only I don't see him being there, so I didn't include him in my choices at #38.
 

Buckybird

Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
Joined
Nov 11, 2002
Posts
25,242
Reaction score
6,108
Location
Dallas, TX
Kerrigan
Cobb
Moch
Carpenter
Romeus
Foster
Murray
Hurd
Devlin
Beeler
 

bg7brd

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Posts
2,188
Reaction score
98
5/10, Bg7brd. You get another try, if you want. You've been the closest thus far.


11. Kerrigan
38. Dowling
69. Moch
73. Carpenter
103. Fua
105. Wisniewski
136. McElroy
171. Klug
184. Locke
249. Sanzenbacher
 

Chris_Sanders

Not Always The Best Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
39,082
Reaction score
29,176
Location
Scottsdale, Az
I really think he will be. Kipers latest Mock has him going to San Fransisco in the third.

Dalton is the big hot QB right now and it is driving Kaepernick down.
 
Last edited:

Seandonic

Gotta love that Cardinal red!
Joined
Aug 25, 2010
Posts
1,753
Reaction score
5
11. Kerrigan
38. Cobb
69. Moch
73. Vereen
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. McElroy
171. Klug
184. Dominguez
249. Beeler
 

Chris_Sanders

Not Always The Best Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
39,082
Reaction score
29,176
Location
Scottsdale, Az
My new try

11. c) Kerrigan, OLB/DE;

38. d) Dowling, CB

69. c) Moch, SS/OLB;

73. d) Carpenter, T

103. c) Fua, NT;

105. d) Wisniewski, C

136. c) McElroy, QB;

171. b) Hurd, G;

184. c) Locke, RB;

249. a) Sanzenbacher
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
Kerrigan
Cobb
Moch
Carpenter
Romeus
Foster
Murray
Hurd
Devlin
Beeler

5/10, Bucky. Give it another try. One thought: I didn't take Murray---although I have thought he would be a good fit...so that was a good guess on your part based on past posts.

Another factor (hint): I watched the Senior Bowl again yesterday and what I saw and was reminded of had a bearing on my choices at 11, 73, 103, 105, 136 and 184.
 
OP
OP
Mitch

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
11. Kerrigan
38. Cobb
69. Moch
73. Vereen
103. Fua
105. Foster
136. McElroy
171. Klug
184. Dominguez
249. Beeler

8/10!, Seadonic! You get one more try! Or you can hold---this may be the winning score.
 

Buckybird

Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
Joined
Nov 11, 2002
Posts
25,242
Reaction score
6,108
Location
Dallas, TX
Kerrigan
Cobb
Moch
Boling
Fua
Foster
McElroy
Klug
Locke
Beeler
 
Last edited:
Top