Cardinals Agree To Terms With Buster Davis

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well, thats certainly a waste of a third rounder

you dont draft a guy in the third, and have 2 years go by where he doesnt even start

Really? I mean, here are the 3rd rounders from the 2005 draft:

2005 3 1 65 Frank Gore 49ers RB Miami (FL)
3 2 66 Oshiomogho Atogwe Rams DB Stanford
3 3 67 Charlie Frye Browns QB Akron
3 4 68 Courtney Roby Titans WR Indiana
3 5 69 Andrew Walter Raiders QB Arizona State
3 6 70 Channing Crowder Dolphins LB Florida
3 7 71 Alex Smith Buccaneers TE Stanford
3 8 72 Stanley Wilson Lions DB Stanford
3 9 73 Vernand Morency Texans RB Oklahoma State
3 10 74 Justin Tuck Giants DE Notre Dame
3 11 75 Eric Green Cardinals DB Virginia Tech
3 12 76 Karl Paymah Broncos DB Washington State
3 13 77 Ryan Moats Eagles RB Louisiana Tech
3 14 78 Kirk Morrison Raiders LB San Diego State
3 15 79 Evan Mathis Panthers G Alabama
3 16 80 Dustin Fox Vikings DB Ohio State
3 17 81 Richie Incognito Rams C Nebraska
3 18 82 Alfred Fincher Saints LB Connecticut
3 19 83 Chris Henry Bengals WR West Virginia
3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs Patriots DB Iowa State
3 21 85 David Greene Seahawks QB Georgia
3 22 86 Kevin Everett Bills TE Miami (FL)
3 23 87 Scott Starks Jaguars DB Wisconsin
3 24 88 Sione Pouha Jets DT Utah
3 25 89 Atiyyah Ellison Panthers DT Missouri
3 26 90 Jordan Beck Falcons LB Cal Poly
3 27 91 Chris Colmer Buccaneers T North Carolina State
3 28 92 Vincent Burns Colts DE Kentucky
3 29 93 Trai Essex Steelers T Northwestern
3 30 94 Adam Snyder 49ers G Oregon
3 31 95 Darryl Blackstock Cardinals LB Virginia
3 32 96 Brandon Jones Titans WR Oklahoma
3 33 97 Domonique Foxworth Broncos DB Maryland
3 34 98 Leroy Hill Seahawks LB Clemson
3 35 99 Dustin Colquitt Chiefs P Tennessee
3 36 100 Nick Kaczur Patriots G Toledo
3 37 101 Maurice Clarett Broncos RB Ohio State

I don't want to stun you, or anything, but most of those guys aren't starting coming into their third season. Some of them are, like Gore and Incognito, but the great majority of them aren't starting, and aren't really that close to the starting lineup.

I know that this will come as a surprise to a lot of Cardinal fans, but for most teams, even the 2nd round picks aren't immediately penciled into the starting lineup. 3rd round players are generally developmental prospects that will take at least a year to get acclimated to the NFL, and whom you hope to be able to depend on being solid depth over the long term.

One of the reasons that the Cards have been so bad for so long is that they've never been able to hold on to their mid-round picks and develop them into core players who either are solid starters or at the very least good depth.
 

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I think if Buster plays well on special teams and if Berry gets hurt/struggles you will see Dansby go to OLB and Buster starting.

My prediction is that Buster Davis is starting by week 14. He is my favorite player the Cards drafted this year and I think he will play solid enough to the point where we look forward to watching him rip it up in '08.

See, I'm pretty sure that Calvin Pace will be the #3 OLB, and I don't see Davis unseating Beisel as the #3 ILB in his first season. I think that Blackstock might be the #4 OLB, as well, and a pass-rush specialist. It was one of ESPN.com's Training Camp Battles (Pace v. Blackstock).

I don't really understand the enthusiasm that Davis engenders here.
 

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I think he's someone to get excited about.

He's fine in the 3-4 if he can find the holes and kill the ball carrier that's all I care about.
 

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You don't understand it or you don't agree with it?

Understand it. I mean, I get it from a homerist POV that we get about all our rookies, but the Q of the defense? I don't see it...

TheHuddleReport.com said:
TALENT BOARD ROUND: 4

I know that Buster is being considered as a first day pick in this draft. The truth is that as a run stuffer, he has first day talent; however, like Patrick Willis (LB Mississippi), Buster, for the purpose of this draft, is a two-down LB. Buster is also undersized. This does not mean that both these LB’s will not be picked in the first round and be core players for the teams that draft them, but for me to invest first day money in LB’s that can only play two downs does not make much sense. I would jump all over them on the second day, but not the first. In this draft, there are not a lot of complete LB’s and the ones that are complete LB’s are not necessarily impacting LB’s. So, when we see a kid make a really good tackle from the MLB position, we are starting to overrate that player. Buster Davis is a good LB, but he is also a system LB. He should be in a 4-3 defense with some big boys in front of him so that he can flow freely to make the tackle. He is not the type of LB that can take on a big Guard or Center, meet them in the hole and then shed them and make the tackle. He is a two-down LB that will help on special teams until he shows that he is better in pass defense. In a normal draft, he is a second day pick. In this draft, he might go in the first day.
 

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Davis to receive $610,000 bonus

Contract calls for league minimums

Kent Somers
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Jul. 20, 2007 08:44 AM

Cardinals rookie Buster Davis' new three-year contract is worth about $1.7 million, according to an NFL source.

Davis, who agreed to terms on Thursday, will receive a signing bonus of $610,000 and salaries of $285,000, $360,000 and $435,000. Those are the NFL minimums.

Davis' cap figure for this year will be about $488,000.
 

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^ Sweet.

Kerouac9, can you name a better player who would've been a more suitable selection than Buster in the 3rd?
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Ryan Harris (OT, Notre Dame) and Marcus McCauley (CB, Fresno State) would have been solid pickups, both providing better depth than what we have now. Matt Spaeth (TE, Minnesota) might have ended up with the starting job coming out of training camp. Heck, I would have loved to see us pick up Daymeion Hughes (CB, Cal), who I think will end up being the steal of the draft. Or Michael Bush (RB, Louisville).

But it isn't really about this being a bad pick. I have no idea whether or not he's going to work out in the NFL, and neither does anyone else. But I'm a little surprised that so many people here are assuming that he's going to be a starter this season. I don't really understand the reasoning for that, especially when it's so unusual. I think that Davis is going to be a solid, core player for this team--kind of like what Marcel Shipp has been the last few seasons. But I don't get why people are expecting so much more than that.
 

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Ryan Harris (OT, Notre Dame) and Marcus McCauley (CB, Fresno State)

Harris is soft and wouldn't even help out our special teams, much less our offense. He might even be softer than Joe Thomas.

McCauley would do more harm than good, he is just as (or more) aggressive than Rolle. I don't know about you, but i got pretty tired of his penalties last year.

Whisenhunt's biggest task here is to change the team's attitude. What better way to do it than to add solid players who played a role in the leadership of their programs?

1. Levi Brown - Captain of the PSU offense.
2. Alan Branch - Anchored one of the best college D-lines in recent history.
3. Buster Davis - Captain of the FSU defense.
7. Ben Patrick - Captain of Delaware football.

It also doesn't hurt that every pick was top 3 in terms of talent at their position.
 
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I don't buy the Huddle reports' thinking at all. In today's NFL, most(a good % anyway) guys on the front 7 of the defense aren't everydown players. You have the run-stuffers and the pass rushers. To not select a guy on day 1 because he's only a two down player,to me, is pretty short-sighted. I could see that thinking with a 1st round guy but you still have guys like Vince Wilfork that are specialists that went in round 1. To me, Buster's size/talent level made him a 3rd round pick and that's where he went.
 

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I don't buy the Huddle reports' thinking at all. In today's NFL, most(a good % anyway) guys on the front 7 of the defense aren't everydown players. You have the run-stuffers and the pass rushers. To not select a guy on day 1 because he's only a two down player,to me, is pretty short-sighted. I could see that thinking with a 1st round guy but you still have guys like Vince Wilfork that are specialists that went in round 1. To me, Buster's size/talent level made him a 3rd round pick and that's where he went.

Vince Wilfork plays every down for the Pats. I don't know what league you watch, but with the exception of a handful of Strongside linebackers (like Hunter Hillenmeyer), who usually get pulled on passing downs for nickel backs, most of the defenders in the NFL are on the field for 3 downs.

I'm still not saying that Davis is a bad pick. I'm sure he'll be a solid core player eventually. But I don't get why people here are seemingly so confident that he'll be productive as a rookie. None of the experts that I've read--including the local writers--seem to believe that he's going to be an impact player--or really anything more than a special teams player.

Since no one can seem to justify their opinion, I'm going to assume that it's just wishful thinking on people's parts. Only one person has even been able to commit that Davis will be a starter this season--and only then not until late in the season.
 

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Harris is soft and wouldn't even help out our special teams, much less our offense. He might even be softer than Joe Thomas.

McCauley would do more harm than good, he is just as (or more) aggressive than Rolle. I don't know about you, but i got pretty tired of his penalties last year.

Whisenhunt's biggest task here is to change the team's attitude. What better way to do it than to add solid players who played a role in the leadership of their programs?

1. Levi Brown - Captain of the PSU offense.
2. Alan Branch - Anchored one of the best college D-lines in recent history.
3. Buster Davis - Captain of the FSU defense.
7. Ben Patrick - Captain of Delaware football.

It also doesn't hurt that every pick was top 3 in terms of talent at their position.

That is exactly what Denny Green was supposed to be doing. Green even said he wanted players from winning programs so they could change the "culture" in Arizona. He got top rated players with almost every selection. In fact in 2005 the Cards drafted 5 guys rated in the top 75 of all draft eligible players by Huddlereport.

Yet the only thing that changed in Arizona was the coaching staff. The team continued with the Cardinal tradition of finding new ways to lose even with all that talent from winning college programs.

We do have to remember that this is a die hard fans' message board and it should be expected that we overvalue our draft picks and fa aquisitions.
 

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We do have to remember that this is a die hard fans' message board and it should be expected that we overvalue our draft picks and fa aquisitions.

Absolutely. I was just wondering whether anyone knows anything that I hadn't heard yet. Like Anquan Boldin was a "surprise" to people who weren't paying attention, but everyone here suspected that he was going to blow up--even if we weren't really anticipating the full luminosity of his star wattage.

Really, I think that hoping that Buster Davis will beat out Monty Beisel as the 3rd ILB is overvaluing. I was just wondering how founded people's opinions were. Again: I don't think he's a bad pick. I think he's a solid pick, with a lot less downside than the Daryl Blackstocks and Alex Stepanovich's of the past few years. But I don't think he has the upside Darnell Dockett did, either.
 

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Vince Wilfork plays every down for the Pats. I don't know what league you watch, but with the exception of a handful of Strongside linebackers (like Hunter Hillenmeyer), who usually get pulled on passing downs for nickel backs, most of the defenders in the NFL are on the field for 3 downs.

I'm still not saying that Davis is a bad pick. I'm sure he'll be a solid core player eventually. But I don't get why people here are seemingly so confident that he'll be productive as a rookie. None of the experts that I've read--including the local writers--seem to believe that he's going to be an impact player--or really anything more than a special teams player.

Since no one can seem to justify their opinion, I'm going to assume that it's just wishful thinking on people's parts. Only one person has even been able to commit that Davis will be a starter this season--and only then not until late in the season.

I guess i watch the league where NE, on passing downs, used a DL combo of Warren, Seymour, Bantu-Cain, and Jarvis Green last year. I'm not saying Wilfork was never in there in passing downs. He does start but is pulled in most 3rd down passing situations and, in no way, plays every down. Just like Dwight Freeney, in past years, was pulled in obvious run situations. I'm not going to look up the %'s but every team has a 3rd down passing package as well as a 1st down run package and there are many subs that play in the different situation.
 

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That is exactly what Denny Green was supposed to be doing. Green even said he wanted players from winning programs so they could change the "culture" in Arizona.


We got talented players.. But did we get leaders?

No, sir.
 

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We got talented players.. But did we get leaders?

No, sir.

That's just your opinion with nothing posted to back it up. Elton Brown was a Captain at Virginia so does that mean Levi Brown will have the same impact in the NFL? The Green drafts are littered with first team All-American selections from big time, winning college programs. So far all we've seen for bringing in those guys are 5-11 records.

Leader? There's one guy you overlook and if he steps up like I expect we're going to have a ton of fun watching Cardinal football this fall. Matt Leinart. That guy performed on the biggest stage there is in College football and if does as well for us we're in the money.

I don't know enough about Buster Davis to comment on him. I just hope he breaks the tradition of failed undersized LBs who have come to Arizona by the carload over the past 10 years. Because he is "short" rather than "light" I think he may just do that.
 

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Vince Wilfork plays every down for the Pats. I don't know what league you watch, but with the exception of a handful of Strongside linebackers (like Hunter Hillenmeyer), who usually get pulled on passing downs for nickel backs, most of the defenders in the NFL are on the field for 3 downs.

I'm still not saying that Davis is a bad pick. I'm sure he'll be a solid core player eventually. But I don't get why people here are seemingly so confident that he'll be productive as a rookie. None of the experts that I've read--including the local writers--seem to believe that he's going to be an impact player--or really anything more than a special teams player.

Since no one can seem to justify their opinion, I'm going to assume that it's just wishful thinking on people's parts. Only one person has even been able to commit that Davis will be a starter this season--and only then not until late in the season.

I think Davis was drafted where he fit in. B Davis has potential IMO. I don't see him being Defensive ROY, but I do think he can make a few plays a ballgame. I think he can contribute as a rookie. Whether he develops into something more remains to be seen. But, I thkn we have a tendency to over-expect.
 

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That's just your opinion with nothing posted to back it up. Elton Brown was a Captain at Virginia so does that mean Levi Brown will have the same impact in the NFL? The Green drafts are littered with first team All-American selections from big time, winning college programs. So far all we've seen for bringing in those guys are 5-11 records.

What else do you need to back it up? Look up their profiles and you can clearly see that they were the leaders of their teams. If you think that's an opinion, than you need to re-up your definition of opinion.

Who did Elton brown have to beat out at Virginia? Dbrickishaw was hardly a leader and didn't have as good a rookie year as many expected him to.

Buster Davis showed he had better leadership skills than Kamarion Wimbley, Broderick Bunkley, Lawrence Timmons, and AJ Nicholson. (All but Nicholson were 1st round picks.)

I could understand your doubts of Davis not having as productive an NFL career as he had in college, but other than his height, what's there to doubt? He's still fairly quick, he's strong, and he has an NFL body at 240lbs.

Leader? There's one guy you overlook and if he steps up like I expect we're going to have a ton of fun watching Cardinal football this fall. Matt Leinart. That guy performed on the biggest stage there is in College football and if does as well for us we're in the money.

What defensive position does Leinart play?

I don't know enough about Buster Davis to comment on him. I just hope he breaks the tradition of failed undersized LBs who have come to Arizona by the carload over the past 10 years. Because he is "short" rather than "light" I think he may just do that.

Much better. :D
 

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There are obviously questions about Davis' ability to play at any level in the NFL.Just because he was a captain on a team with a bunch of talent doesn't mean squat. Especially when that team, FSU, has been a massive under-achiever the last few years while Davis was there. I hope Davis turns out to be a good pro but i don't think there is anyway you can expect him to come in and start from day 1.Hopefully,he does but being a 3rd ILB/special teamer is the most likely scenario. Hell, i hope Alan Branch can have an impact. I think he will but there are alot of 1st round guys,Jimmy Kennedy/Wendell Bryant for example, struggled mightily and alot of people seem to have Branch slated as taking over a starting position rigt away. Character definitely plays a part but talent wins out in the end. Plus, the leader of the Michigan defense was David Harris. I really wanted the Cards to get him. I think he will turn out to be the best LB from this draft class.
 

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There are obviously questions about Davis' ability to play at any level in the NFL.Just because he was a captain on a team with a bunch of talent doesn't mean squat. Especially when that team, FSU, has been a massive under-achiever the last few years while Davis was there.

To be fair, FSU's struggles the past couple of years are 100% offensively related. Their defense was outstanding.

That being said, its rare (as defined as maybe one to three guys of any years round of 32, or less than 10%) for a 3rd rounder to come in their rookie season, start and play really well. I think the expectation is that the player contributes on specials, backs up and in a couple years, pushes for a starting spot.
 
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I never attributed being the leader of a college defense to translate into NFL success.

I said being the leader would definitely help out in changing the attitude of the franchise.

It doesn't hurt that he was fairly productive in college, has very good instincts, and has a high football IQ.
 

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What else do you need to back it up? Look up their profiles and you can clearly see that they were the leaders of their teams. If you think that's an opinion, than you need to re-up your definition of opinion.

Who did Elton brown have to beat out at Virginia? Dbrickishaw was hardly a leader and didn't have as good a rookie year as many expected him to.

Buster Davis showed he had better leadership skills than Kamarion Wimbley, Broderick Bunkley, Lawrence Timmons, and AJ Nicholson. (All but Nicholson were 1st round picks.)


What defensive position does Leinart play?

What defensive position does Levi Brown play? You cited him as one of your "leaders".

So a guy you list as being a "leader" is one simply because he was a captain in college but the guy I listed who also was a Captain in college isn't?

You're not making any sense at all.
 

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Duckjake, why must you drift away from the topic at hand?

Ok, Levi Brown won't be playing defense for us. I never said that as one of my points, like my previous post says, leaders are essential in order to turn around a team.

We don't have very many of those "leaders" in our defense. If you remember last year, Antrel Rolle said there were too many people fcking around and not serious about winning. Leaders are.

You're ridiculously splitting hairs.

Can you just accept the fact that having a Buster Davis type of player instead of a Leonard Davis will be better for turning around the attitude of this team?
 

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Can you just accept the fact that having a Buster Davis type of player instead of a Leonard Davis will be better for turning around the attitude of this team?

I can accept that.

I think Levi Brown is a leader, too.

Carry on.
 
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