Cardinals are drafting a QB

[WildBB]

Arians on radio today. The Cardinals like 5 or 6 of the QB' s coming out this year. Stated that the rookie would have a real window of opportunity to learn under some of the best this year and that Palmer and Stanton would give them invaluable insights. Best possible scenario for a rookie QB.

The feeling was that the Cardinals will trade into the back end of the 1st round using their 2nd round pick and a couple picks from the following year.

 

[juza76]

He said also they see just one qb ready to play since day 1 but there are qbs who can be really good but need to sit a year or 2

Watson is probably ready to play and out of our target

 

[WildBB]

He said also they see just one qb ready to play since day 1 but there are qbs who can be really good but need to sit a year or 2

Watson is probably ready to play and out of our target

My feeling and from what I heard they have them rated:

1- Watson
2- Mahomes
3- Trubisky
4- Kizer
5- Webb
6- Dobbs

They would be trading back into the first for Kizer then Webb. Dobbs would be the 2nd round fallback, mtl.

Kelly they might rate worthy of a 3rd but that's definitely up for debate.

 

[HGC]

Thanks. He mentioned specific quarterbacks?

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Why hell, that is all smoke screens. You think he would give away what they are really contemplating. No teams say a thing that is real regarding who they are taking and when, do they?

 

[WildBB]

That's what the commentators felt like the order that they like was of the QB' s available. They didn't quote Arians but from sources within the FO.

It's not a smoke screen. There are a lot of teams looking for a young QB. Add us to the list.

 

[Solar7]

Why hell, that is all smoke screens. You think he would give away what they are really contemplating. No teams say a thing that is real regarding who they are taking and when, do they?

Arians has been surprisingly open about his thoughts on the draft over the past couple of seasons. Nothing has been a major shocker.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Sources within the FO? To me that sounds like someone within the Cardinals trying to feed false info to the media before the draft.

 

[HGC]

Sources within the FO? To me that sounds like someone within the Cardinals trying to feed false info to the media before the draft.

Has to be. Kelly's an idiot and had ACL surgery. I like Dobbs a lot and he might be my favorite quarterback after top tier goes but those selections would be the equivalent of drafting Logan Thomas in the 4th. Way to early.
Trading into the 1st and giving up next years 2nd pick at the very minimum for Davis Webb? You better be right or that's a fireball offense.

 

[WildBB]

Has to be. Kelly's an idiot and had ACL surgery. I like Dobbs a lot and he might be my favorite quarterback after top tier goes but those selections would be the equivalent of drafting Logan Thomas in the 4th. Way to early.
Trading into the 1st and giving up next years 2nd pick at the very minimum for Davis Webb? You better be right or that's a fireball offense.

They would trade this year's second and two picks from next season. Possibly the 3rd and 5th is what's speculated. Don't think they'll want to part with the 2nd next year.

They worked out Webb and liked what he showed. His stock is rising. I think a few teams told him he's their #1 QB prospect. They also like Kizer in the late 1st or if Mahomes would slide. Trubisky is an unknown, how high they are on his upside at this time. They may rate Kizer and Webb better fits overall.

The good news for many is that it looks to be a position player they will draft at #13.

 

[Yuma]

I do NOT believe anything the Cardinals are dishing out, right now. They have said SO many things about that first pick the last few days! The only thing I would believe is they aren't taking a kicker or punter, maybe long snapper. LOL!

 

[football karma]

This is as good a place to out this:

Gambo was talking about the Cards, QBs and the draft:

1. He talked to some non Cardinal NFL FO sources who said Mahomes doesn't get out of the first round.

2. Charlie Casserly noted that he talked to two NFL teams who have Mahomes as the best QB in the draft.

3. When it comes to QBs -- teams would rather take a guy in round 1 vs Round 2 because they control their rights for five years under a set price -- vs 4 as a second rounder. As a result -- teams will trade up into the bottom of the 1st to get QBs that last past the top of the first round.

Nothing shocking here -- but I found point 3 interesting

 

[HGC]

This is as good a place to out this:

Gambo was talking about the Cards, QBs and the draft:

1. He talked to some non Cardinal NFL FO sources who said Mahomes doesn't get out of the first round.

2. Charlie Casserly noted that he talked to two NFL teams who have Mahomes as the best QB in the draft.

3. When it comes to QBs -- teams would rather take a guy in round 1 vs Round 2 because they control their rights for five years under a set price -- vs 4 as a second rounder. As a result -- teams will trade up into the bottom of the 1st to get QBs that last past the top of the first round.

Nothing shocking here -- but I found point 3 interesting

I think he probably is the top QB on a lot of teams boards. I like to read other forums and try and get a feel for what teams needs/wants are. The Bills forum has a 50 page thread on Mahomes and most of it is positive among the fan base. Browns forum(pretty knowledgeable fan base for such a bad organization) is screaming to take the BPA at 12 and use their 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st and take him.
Its starting to look like if this is the guy they want at QB they'll have to take him at 13. If you try and get cute and move back a few spots someone might snatch him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think that Arians may view Webb as the guy ready to play early. I feel that way based on a hunch honestly. Webb is older, mature, and has the size profile Arians like.

Obviously I love Mahomes based on all the posts I've made. The kid is just a gamer.

 

[HGC]

I think that Arians may view Webb as the guy ready to play early. I feel that way based on a hunch honestly. Webb is older, mature, and has the size profile Arians like.

Obviously I love Mahomes based on all the posts I've made. The kid is just a gamer.

I'm starting to agree with you on Mahomes. Someone here pointed out his game against LSU from last season so I watched it, really impressive.
I don't agree on Webb. If there's a guy who's ready to play it's Watson or Kaaya who started 3 seasons in a pro style offense. Clean mechanics and overall fundamentals. Questionable accuracy on intermediate throws and doesn't have a cannon but overall seems like a decent player. Probably not as high of a ceiling but sounds like a guy who can be a long term backup.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm starting to agree with you on Mahomes. Someone here pointed out his game against LSU from last season so I watched it, really impressive.
I don't agree on Webb. If there's a guy who's ready to play it's Watson or Kaaya who started 3 seasons in a pro style offense. Clean mechanics and overall fundamentals. Questionable accuracy on intermediate throws and doesn't have a cannon but overall seems like a decent player. Probably not as high of a ceiling but sounds like a guy who can be a long term backup.

Kaaya has a super weak arm and totally falls apart under pressure. Some talked about him as a day one or day two guy, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him go undrafted.

Dobbs is super skinny and was turnover prone.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I wouldnt mind a qb really like mahomes and webb looks decent for mid round.

But I think cards should look at going corner or lb getting a solid young lb next to jones would be huge!

Should be a fun draft go Cards.

 

[Dude]

They would trade this year's second and two picks from next season. Possibly the 3rd and 5th is what's speculated. Don't think they'll want to part with the 2nd next year.

They worked out Webb and liked what he showed. His stock is rising. I think a few teams told him he's their #1 QB prospect. They also like Kizer in the late 1st or if Mahomes would slide. Trubisky is an unknown, how high they are on his upside at this time. They may rate Kizer and Webb better fits overall.

The good news for many is that it looks to be a position player they will draft at #13.

I don't think that's good news if they really have a guy they like. We can't IMO keep putting this off we are lucky CP came back this year. I would love a deep run but don't believe the 13th pick is a must to do it. What I really don't want is three years of swagger and moxie again. "If" the have a guy and his is there at 13 take him.

 

[HGC]

Kaaya has a super weak arm and totally falls apart under pressure. Some talked about him as a day one or day two guy, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him go undrafted.

Dobbs is super skinny and was turnover prone.

Goff wasn't close to being able to start right away why would a lesser prospect from the same system?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kaaya has a super weak arm and totally falls apart under pressure. Some talked about him as a day one or day two guy, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him go undrafted.

Dobbs is super skinny and was turnover prone.

Now, now, hold on. Dobbs is not super skinny. 6'3 and weighs 216, maybe slender for his frame but hardly 'super skinny'. The kid can make all the NFL throws and has a great deep ball, hardly the results of being super skinny. Now concerning Kaaya, I totally agree with you

 

[MadCardDisease]

This is as good a place to out this:

Gambo was talking about the Cards, QBs and the draft:

1. He talked to some non Cardinal NFL FO sources who said Mahomes doesn't get out of the first round.

2. Charlie Casserly noted that he talked to two NFL teams who have Mahomes as the best QB in the draft.

3. When it comes to QBs -- teams would rather take a guy in round 1 vs Round 2 because they control their rights for five years under a set price -- vs 4 as a second rounder. As a result -- teams will trade up into the bottom of the 1st to get QBs that last past the top of the first round.

Nothing shocking here -- but I found point 3 interesting

Gambo is an idiot so I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

Also, as for all of these NFL sources leaking their draft info. It's all BS! Teams protect their draft boards better than the NSA protects top secret information. Hell teams won't show their draft boards even after the draft is complete.

So it makes no sense that someone in the FO of a team would leak VALID draft board information to the media. Why would a team that covets Mahomes leak that they covet Mahomes. That would only make it harder for them to land Mahomes.

My guess is that these leaks about Mahomes are to get teams worried about him not making it out of the 1st round. It wouldn't shock me if Bill Belichick is the leak saying Mahomes is his favorite QB in the draft. That way he can scare some crappy team picking early in the 2nd round into giving up a bunch of picks to trade for the #32 overall pick.

 

[WildBB]

This is as good a place to out this:

Gambo was talking about the Cards, QBs and the draft:

1. He talked to some non Cardinal NFL FO sources who said Mahomes doesn't get out of the first round.

2. Charlie Casserly noted that he talked to two NFL teams who have Mahomes as the best QB in the draft.

3. When it comes to QBs -- teams would rather take a guy in round 1 vs Round 2 because they control their rights for five years under a set price -- vs 4 as a second rounder. As a result -- teams will trade up into the bottom of the 1st to get QBs that last past the top of the first round.

Nothing shocking here -- but I found point 3 interesting

Yes, that is the plan if given the opportunity to find a trade back into the first round if a QB they like is there without having to shell out a 2018 2nd.

They'd trade the 45 and a couple picks in 2018 to move up. That could be offset by the comp picks they're likely to recieve.

 

[WildBB]

Gambo is an idiot so I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

Also, as for all of these NFL sources leaking their draft info. It's all BS! Teams protect their draft boards better than the NSA protects top secret information. Hell teams won't show their draft boards even after the draft is complete.

So it makes no sense that someone in the FO of a team would leak VALID draft board information to the media. Why would a team that covets Mahomes leak that they covet Mahomes. That would only make it harder for them to land Mahomes.

My guess is that these leaks about Mahomes are to get teams worried about him not making it out of the 1st round. It wouldn't shock me if Bill Belichick is the leak saying Mahomes is his favorite QB in the draft. That way he can scare some crappy team picking early in the 2nd round into giving up a bunch of picks to trade for the #32 overall pick.

There could be a few reasons. If a team is interested in moving back in the draft, they could throw a name out there that is enticing to other teams behind them.

Talking about Mahomes would be hardly keeping draft board secrets. Every QB hungry team is evaluating/scrutinizing the kid closely. Everyone knows with Palmer long in the proverbial tooth that we're one of those teams. Nothing shocking, imo. If anything it keeps under wraps anyone else that they'd really like to pick at 13.

 

[MadCardDisease]

There could be a few reasons. If a team is interested in moving back in the draft, they could throw a name out there that is enticing to other teams behind them.

Talking about Mahomes would be hardly keeping draft board secrets. Every QB hungry team is evaluating/scrutinizing the kid closely. Everyone knows with Palmer long in the proverbial tooth that we're one of those teams. Nothing shocking, imo. If anything it keeps under wraps anyone else that they'd really like to pick at 13.

The fact that Cardinals have publically expressed interest in Mahomes to me says that they covet some other player. In fact the Cardinals have said that they have no interest in a WR at #13.

Hmmm... Corey Davis or Mike Williams could indeed be our pick then. It's all a poker game at this point and I think the Cardinals are bluffing.

 

[football karma]

Gambo is an idiot so I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

Also, as for all of these NFL sources leaking their draft info. It's all BS! Teams protect their draft boards better than the NSA protects top secret information. Hell teams won't show their draft boards even after the draft is complete.

theoretically

but somehow information leaks out prior to the draft. human nature says people like sharing secrets -- and they do

the "late riser" or "late faller" draft stuff is about writers adjusting their boards as NFL teams set their boards, and the writers get information from sources

is some of it smokescreen? sure. But not all of it.