Cardinals are drafting a QB

[WildBB]

Did u get a Sports psychology degree?

Life psychology.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

https://www.google.com/amp/cardswir...ed-to-draft-paxton-lynch-jacoby-brissett/amp/


Lynch and Brissett last year.

Thanks

 

[Cardiac]

Yes, they have to have the desire to absorb coaching and mainly be able to look off and progress beyond primary targets. Huge trait. It takes a while. They have to be tough and overcome difficulties and not give up. They have to have aptitude to study quickly.

It's a process, but it has to be undertaken. And there has to be viable competition. A must!

Can't argue but you missed my point. Your OP stated that BA likes 5 to 6 QB's in this draft and I don't believe that to be the case. He likes 5 or 6 arms but that doesn't mean they can be good QB's. BASK need to determine if any of these QB's have what it takes to be an NFL QB and they are/were still working on that.

When it's all said and done they may really like 2 or fewer of the QB's in this draft.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Arians on radio today. The Cardinals like 5 or 6 of the QB' s coming out this year. Stated that the rookie would have a real window of opportunity to learn under some of the best this year and that Palmer and Stanton would give them invaluable insights.

Good God, learn from Stanton????

Here is what a rookie QB could learn from Stanton.

1. If your under pressure.... Throw immediately to your first read.

2. If the line holds, and you have all day: Throw immediately to your first read.

3. How to make ESPN while dancing on the side-lines.


I put the most importance on #3...... But I would teach our QBOTF that for a few tickets and a hot dog or two.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Good God, learn from Stanton????

Here is what a rookie QB could learn from Stanton.

1. If your under pressure.... Throw immediately to your first read.

2. If the line holds, and you have all day: Throw immediately to your first read.

3. How to make ESPN while dancing on the side-lines.


I put the most importance on #3...... But I would teach our QBOTF that for a few tickets and a hot dog or two.

Stanton did once thing in college well which he no longer does for some reason and that is run. If Drew did that, he would be more effective in my opinion... maybe coach does not approve for him

 

[schutd]

https://www.google.com/amp/cardswir...ed-to-draft-paxton-lynch-jacoby-brissett/amp/


Lynch and Brissett last year.

What the hell kind of verbal sorcery is this???

"If it is true they actually had those guys’ names written on their draft card, the Cardinals clearly wanted them."

Man, writing today is SOOOOOOOOO poor.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't like any of the QB's at #13. I just think there at too many good players in this years draft to reach for a QB early.

There is one QB who has really peaked my interest lately and could be had in the middle of the draft. That QB is Chad Kelly. I think his off the field issues are overblown. He is the nephew and God Son of HoF QB Jim Kelly. He is an athlete and a competitor. Yes he has made some stupid mistakes as a young man but I think he has the strong family support needed to get past these maturity issues.

Harry had him listed as a possible 4th round pick for the Cardinals in another post. I initially thought that would be a little high for him considering his off the field issues and knee injury. However the more I think about it the more I like taking him in the middle of the draft.

The Cardinals don't need Kelly for the 2017 season seeing as the Cardinals have Palmer and Stanton. So Kelly can sit and learn from BA and Palmer while he recovers and learns the offense during his "redshirt" season. Waiting till the 4th round to draft Kelly gives the Cardinals 3 early round draft picks to use at other positions in one of the deepest drafts in years. Plus if Kelly doesn't work out, a 4th round bust is much easier to move on from than a 1st round pick.

I am 100% behind this statement, I'll add that I think we should draft a QB every year.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Lack of Trubisky starting experience is “bugging” Bruce Arians

“A really talented player,” Bruce Arians said this week in Arizona regarding Mitchell Trubisky, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “The growth potential is obviously there. The question is why wasn’t all that talent starting for the last three years? That’s always bugging me. So you have to go and answer those questions with him, with his coach, but the physical talent is there.”

Arians also scoffed at the unnamed scout who reportedly compared Trubisky to Aaron Rodgers.

“That’s a hell of a scout,” Arians said. “I don’t know how you can compare those two. When Aaron was coming out, he was in a totally different offense. I’m old enough to know when Aaron came out because I evaluated him.

“Mitch probably has a stronger arm coming out than Aaron did,” Arians added. “But to say anybody reminds you of somebody, to me it’s just physically, stature-wise or just arm-strength wise. I wouldn’t put that much pressure on a guy to say he’s Aaron Rodgers.”

 

[WildBB]

Good God, learn from Stanton????

Here is what a rookie QB could learn from Stanton.

1. If your under pressure.... Throw immediately to your first read.

2. If the line holds, and you have all day: Throw immediately to your first read.

3. How to make ESPN while dancing on the side-lines.


I put the most importance on #3...... But I would teach our QBOTF that for a few tickets and a hot dog or two.

Sheesh..Look Stanton isn't great on the field, that's why we're still looking. Obviously the rook will be able to pick things up from both Palmer and Stantons' experience regardless, no matter how we percieve them. That is what BA stated in getting a youngster in this year to grow under Everyones tutilige.

 

[Southpaw]

Watson is probably ready to play and out of our target

Why Watson?

I think that Arians may view Webb as the guy ready to play early. I feel that way based on a hunch honestly. Webb is older, mature, and has the size profile Arians like.

Obviously I love Mahomes based on all the posts I've made. The kid is just a gamer.

This and this.

Webb, if forced to , seems to be the guy who could step in. Mahomes skill set is so far above the rest it is scary. Growing up in a professional sports family might lend itself to a willingness to adapt and throttle it back to a team oriented offense. I also get the feeling that Arians would relish the tutoring process with Mahomes.

I would be so into Mahomes being taken at #13 ( I think he will be gone before #13 ) but Webb at the back end of the first would be a gift.

 

[Southpaw]

I'm starting to agree with you on Mahomes. Someone here pointed out his game against LSU from last season so I watched it, really impressive.
I don't agree on Webb. If there's a guy who's ready to play it's Watson or Kaaya who started 3 seasons in a pro style offense. Clean mechanics and overall fundamentals. Questionable accuracy on intermediate throws and doesn't have a cannon but overall seems like a decent player. Probably not as high of a ceiling but sounds like a guy who can be a long term backup.

Seriously Kaaya sucks. The U of Miami under Al Golden offense was vanilla. The guy is a statue and extremely awful under a pass rush. He has fear in his eyes when pressured and NFL defenses would eat him up. He is more likely to throw a pick 6 than a throw away when rushed. Strictly a practice field thrower with a red jersey on. Maybe another year under Mark Richt would have helped his skill set, but Mark Richt declared the QB position open and Brad K took off for the NFL with a pre draft 3rd round analysis.

 

[HGC]

Seriously Kaaya sucks. The U of Miami under Al Golden offense was vanilla. The guy is a statue and extremely awful under a pass rush. He has fear in his eyes when pressured and NFL defenses would eat him up. He is more likely to throw a pick 6 than a throw away when rushed. Strictly a practice field thrower with a red jersey on. Maybe another year under Mark Richt would have helped his skill set, but Mark Richt declared the QB position open and Brad K took off for the NFL with a pre draft 3rd round analysis.

You think Webb can start next year based on what his arm strength and height?

 

[Southpaw]

You think Webb can start next year based on what his arm strength and height?

Ummmm....... no. It is a bit more complex than those 2 factors.

Saw him play at both Texas Tech and Cal. Probably a dozen games at least so that makes me biased. What I implied is that compared with the rest of the QB group he would have the best chance of some success. Never implied start from Day 1 when I said "if forced to".

 

[DVontel]

Why Watson?


This and this.

Webb, if forced to , seems to be the guy who could step in. Mahomes skill set is so far above the rest it is scary. Growing up in a professional sports family might lend itself to a willingness to adapt and throttle it back to a team oriented offense. I also get the feeling that Arians would relish the tutoring process with Mahomes.

I would be so into Mahomes being taken at #13 ( I think he will be gone before #13 ) but Webb at the back end of the first would be a gift.

 

[HGC]

Ummmm....... no. It is a bit more complex than those 2 factors.

Saw him play at both Texas Tech and Cal. Probably a dozen games at least so that makes me biased. What I implied is that compared with the rest of the QB group he would have the best chance of some success. Never implied start from Day 1 when I said "if forced to".

Kizer, Peterman and Kaaya are far more likely to be able to start if needed by the teams that draft them. Webb played for Kingsbury and Dykes who've shown they don't spend a second teaching players anything about playing in the NFL so please if you want to talk about vanilla offense look no further than both of those guys. Jared Goff is a far better prospect than Davis Webb and he couldn't get on the field last season, they couldn't simplify the schemes enough for him and it showed.
My response wasn't who's going to have the best career it's who's likely to come in and play early in the season if needed. I'll pick any of the guys who've played in a pro scheme that stresses the importance of playing under center,using verbal commands, recognizing what a defense is showing and making the necessary adjustments you know the things Kliff and Sonny don't teach.
Next year the same guys talking about Webb and Mahomes will be clinging to Luke Falk's nuts and probably the same guys who thought Manziel was going to wreck the league. In other words you're wowed by arm talent, size or meaningless statistics accrued playing in a crap system and think correcting foot work/mechanics and starting from scratch is any easy transition with coaching. I see the upside with Mahomes but not with Webb.
Anyone who thinks Davis Webb at the end of the first round is a "gift" is someone's who's opinion I couldn't care less about and the only player that "took off" was Webb when he lost his job to Mahomes.

 

[TheCardFan]

Found a couple of interesting articles on QB's..one from last year and one from this year. It's amazing how different the opinions/evaluations are each year regarding the most important position in football.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/ranking-the-top-8-quarterback-prospects-in-the-2016-nfl-draft

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/galler...011917-011917-011917-011917-011917-011917-011

 

[cardncubfan]

Found a couple of interesting articles on QB's..one from last year and one from this year. It's amazing how different the opinions/evaluations are each year regarding the most important position in football.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/ranking-the-top-8-quarterback-prospects-in-the-2016-nfl-draft

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/galler...011917-011917-011917-011917-011917-011917-011

Last year I wanted to draft Prescott. This year it's Mahomes. Both of those rankings have them listed behind several othe QB's. Dak is the 6th & Mahomes the 8th ranked. They had Hackenberg ranked #2 overall last year? Doesn't bring too much credence to their rankings.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Why Watson?


This and this.

Webb, if forced to , seems to be the guy who could step in. Mahomes skill set is so far above the rest it is scary. Growing up in a professional sports family might lend itself to a willingness to adapt and throttle it back to a team oriented offense. I also get the feeling that Arians would relish the tutoring process with Mahomes.

I would be so into Mahomes being taken at #13 ( I think he will be gone before #13 ) but Webb at the back end of the first would be a gift.

Perfectly put.

I feel Mahomes has the highest ceiling, and it's not close. Go watch him play, and you see a guy who has complete mastery of his offense. His problem is that he knew that he had to always score 45+ points to win every week.

 

[Southpaw]

Perfectly put.

I feel Mahomes has the highest ceiling, and it's not close. Go watch him play, and you see a guy who has complete mastery of his offense. His problem is that he knew that he had to always score 45+ points to win every week.

and he did it with a roster full of 2 star, at best, recruits on those rosters. Kliff Kingsbury might be on the hot seat. He can recruit and train productive QBs, but the rest of roster ( defense ) not so much. K K saw the "it" factor in Mahomes and the rest, Webb/Mayfield/Brewer saw it too and transferred. Those guys have gone on to start and produce at their landing spots at a high level.

 

[HGC]

and he did it with a roster full of 2 star, at best, recruits on those rosters. Kliff Kingsbury might be on the hot seat. He can recruit and train productive QBs, but the rest of roster ( defense ) not so much. K K saw the "it" factor in Mahomes and the rest, Webb/Mayfield/Brewer saw it too and transferred. Those guys have gone on to start and produce at their landing spots at a high level.

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings


http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings


Keep reaching Southpaw.

 

[Jetstream Green]

You can go on about footwork but still Mahomes can deliver passes accurately, the dude not fitting the norm. If Mahomes can get a handle on Arian's offense, the kid will be dangerous. Watson has potential as a winner in 'college' but Mahomes could be something very special and we just might have the tailored made place for that kid. I still think Kizer fits the mold of what one wants from a NFL starter in a year... but he simply does not have the gift of accuracy deep that Mahomes has and that is not to say Kizer does not have a good deep ball, and freaking Dobbs has the best deep ball out of the bunch

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Looks like Chargers are going QB with their #7 pick.
Chargers say they need a young quarterback

Chargers coach Anthony Lynn indicated at the league meeting that the Chargers will draft a quarterback who can back up the 35-year-old Rivers and compete with the 33-year-old Kellen Clemens for the No. 2 job.

“I think we do have to get a young quarterback on campus. We have to start developing someone because we have two veteran quarterbacks,” Lynn said. “Both of them are long in the tooth. I think they have some good years left in them — don’t get me wrong. But, you have to start thinking about down the line too.”

The Chargers have worked out Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes, Tennessee’s Joshua Dobbs and Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer and may draft one of them as the heir apparent to Rivers.

 

[TheCardFan]

Looks like Chargers are going QB with their #7 pick.
Chargers say they need a young quarterback

I doubt it but that would actually be great for us. Another great player could potentially fall to us.

My hope is 3 QB's, 2 RB's, and one OT go in the top 12.

 

[HGC]

I doubt it but that would actually be great for us. Another great player could potentially fall to us.

My hope is 3 QB's, 2 RB's, and one OT go in the top 12.

That'd be a dream scenario. A player falling into our lap that we have no business getting.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Seriously Kaaya sucks. The U of Miami under Al Golden offense was vanilla. The guy is a statue and extremely awful under a pass rush. He has fear in his eyes when pressured and NFL defenses would eat him up. He is more likely to throw a pick 6 than a throw away when rushed. Strictly a practice field thrower with a red jersey on. Maybe another year under Mark Richt would have helped his skill set, but Mark Richt declared the QB position open and Brad K took off for the NFL with a pre draft 3rd round analysis.

Anyone throwing out Kaayas name isn't paying attention and didn't watch Kaaya play.

He is decent when he isnt pressured, but the guy is an absolute disaster under pressure. Like I said earlier I will be terrified if the Cardinals draft him because it would show they have a highly flawed view of QBs. It's extremely hard to fix a panicky QB.