Cardinals Fan's Son Holds Beer, Dad Kicked out

[AzStevenCal]

Well that's your perogotive. But it shouldn't be a law. As for driving that's a different set of laws totally unrelated to a ban.

It was the "public" part that bothered me. I was stationed in Germany in the 70's and I don't think they had any liquor age laws at all there. They could still be held responsible for their behavior but in the four years I lived there I never once saw an obviously drunk youth. They gave them wine and beer from a young age and taught them how to behave. I did the same thing with my son but we didn't get drunk and then head out on the town.

Growing up in the 60's it was still pretty common to raise your kids yourself, now the government raises them (with some help from TV and the internet). I don't think it's an improvement by any means but the world has sped up and maybe it's just a little too dangerous to raise kids the way many of us were raised. I drove my first tractor when I was 9 years old and routinely borrowed my mom's car when I was 14 and drank alcohol at home and on construction sites long before I became a teenager. But times have changed and I don't think I'd trust the average young person in similar circumstances. I don't like the laws but I think some of them are necessary.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

One of the advantages of having kids is that they can move stuff, get stuff, and hold stuff. After that they just bleed you dry.



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[Brian in Mesa]

Officers: Man kicked out of NFL game for letting son hold beer was belligerent

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/ejected-cardinals-fan-son-beer-investigation-report/

“I retrieved my police badge from under my shirt and identified myself as a Police Officer with this department, showing both my badge and ID card. I then turned to and requested to see his ID,” Investigator K. Turner wrote in the report. ”Immediately, Mr. Coulter reacted to our presence with hostility. He stated something to the effect of, “Who the [expletive] are you?” and, “He doesn’t have an ID, he’s only fifteen.” I again informed Mr. Coulter that we were Police Officers. I informed him that I had observed him hand alcohol to [his son] and that I needed to see both of their ID’s. Mr. Coulter was very upset and argumentative and was talking in a very loud voice, when he asked, “What right do you have to ask my son for his [expletive] ID!” I again pointed to [my] badge and stated we were officers. I then informed Mr. Coulter that it was a violation of state law to provide alcohol to a minor and that I needed to talk to his son about the alcohol. I again asked for both of their ID’s. As they retrieved their ID’s, Mr. Coulter looked at my badge and stated something like, “Oh, I see you have your little [expletive] badge!” When I did not respond, Mr. Coulter then stated, “And I see that you’re wearing your cute little Marine Corps shirt, too!”

The report (and a supplemental statement from Turner’s partner) claims that Coulter became more disorderly and refused to let the officers explain the process or ask his son if he had consumed the beer.

“It was at approximately this time that Investigator Webb suggested I use my police radio and call for a uniformed Officer,” Turner wrote. “I attempted one more time to calm Mr. Coulter, to no avail. He began saying things such as, “That’s all we need, is more [expletive] rules!” and, “You just made a big [expletive] mistake buddy! You don’t know who I am!”

 

[PDXChris]

This is really dumb and shows how americans still live in some fantasy land when it comes to our kids and social norms. When my kid turned 16 we drank, smoked some weed, and then i took him out to get laid. I, like all dads know that that is what he wanted and would end up doing soon anyway. So why not teach him the correct, safe, and respectful way to do each. Better than have him learn from his goofy friends in an alley, or worse yet in one of their cars down at the beach.

Thank goodness you were not my father because I was 100% Straight Edge when I was 16 and have been since for the exception of a about 18 months in my mid 20's. Doing that on my 16th birthday would have been the last thing I wanted to do.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is really dumb and shows how americans still live in some fantasy land when it comes to our kids and social norms. When my kid turned 16 we drank, smoked some weed, and then i took him out to get laid. I, like all dads know that that is what he wanted and would end up doing soon anyway. So why not teach him the correct, safe, and respectful way to do each. Better than have him learn from his goofy friends in an alley, or worse yet in one of their cars down at the beach.

Guess what? Not all "dads" are like you. Here or abroad. Shocking as that may be...

 

[ajcardfan]

This had nothing to do with Cards and opponents fans. It's a douchebag issue.


Besides, from what I've seen opponent fans get kicked out more than Cards fans. At least where I sit. I think our perception is skewed because no opponent teams fan is ever going to come on this board and bitch about it.

 

[D-Dogg]

This is really dumb and shows how americans still live in some fantasy land when it comes to our kids and social norms. When my kid turned 16 we drank, smoked some weed, and then i took him out to get laid. I, like all dads know that that is what he wanted and would end up doing soon anyway. So why not teach him the correct, safe, and respectful way to do each. Better than have him learn from his goofy friends in an alley, or worse yet in one of their cars down at the beach.

SMH

Did you win Parent of the Year that year?

 

[D-Dogg]

One of the advantages of having kids is that they can move stuff, get stuff, and hold stuff. After that they just bleed you dry.



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[Mulli]

SMH

Did you win Parent of the Year that year?

And Pirate of the year?

 

[Shane]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-cardinals-game-after-asking-son-to-hold-beer

I know this is old news but how and the hell did they get issued a "trespassing citation"

 

[Duckjake]

Guess what? Not all "dads" are like you. Here or abroad. Shocking as that may be...

Of course not. But no "dad" should be able to force his morals on others through legislation.

Ron Paul for President.

 

[BigRedRage]

Thank goodness you were not my father because I was 100% Straight Edge when I was 16 and have been since for the exception of a about 18 months in my mid 20's. Doing that on my 16th birthday would have been the last thing I wanted to do.

Im sure if his kid wasnt ready, he wouldnt have. At 15 I was smoking weed, eating acid and partying it up. I didnt do anything to crazy but proper guidance probably wouldnt have hurt.

This is really dumb and shows how americans still live in some fantasy land when it comes to our kids and social norms. When my kid turned 16 we drank, smoked some weed, and then i took him out to get laid. I, like all dads know that that is what he wanted and would end up doing soon anyway. So why not teach him the correct, safe, and respectful way to do each. Better than have him learn from his goofy friends in an alley, or worse yet in one of their cars down at the beach.

In the right situation I dont see anyhting wrong with that.

 

[Snakester]

I must come from a different era because I see nothing wrong with that and I have done the exact same thing for my dad. I firmly believe that there is way too much lawinforcement in this country. When a cop doesn't have anything better to do than this then he should find another job.

 

[D-Dogg]

And Pirate of the year?

WINNER!

 

[az240zz]

Just another example of over zealous cops. The dad became belligerent, hmmm wonder if the officers attitude had anything to do with it. Attitude doesn't show up in the written notes and why should we believe him, Oh that's right his a cop and can do no wrong.

Perhaps they should have observed the situation a few more minutes and see if the kid drank the beer.

Overzealous bullshi####.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just another example of over zealous cops. The dad became belligerent, hmmm wonder if the officers attitude had anything to do with it. Attitude doesn't show up in the written notes and why should we believe him, Oh that's right his a cop and can do no wrong.

Perhaps they should have observed the situation a few more minutes and see if the kid drank the beer.

Overzealous bullshi####.

That's not the right way to do it IMO. Approaching him immediately was the correct thing to do instead of letting an actual crime occur. The way it was handled, if we accept the cop's story, would have resulted in nothing more than just a correction of the situation. Waiting for a few minutes might have led to perhaps a felony charge against the dad and a misdemeanor citation for he kid.

We don't know the full story here but it's interesting that you've chosen to believe the (possibly drunk) man instead of the professional doing his job. You may well be right about what went down but I'd be inclined to give the benefit to the cop. From where I sit I really don't know if this was overzealous BS or if it simply was a cop trying to do his job up against a belligerent drunk. I lean one way though as I've run into a lot more belligerent drunks than overzealous cops in my life.

Steve

 

[Gee!]

That's not the right way to do it IMO. Approaching him immediately was the correct thing to do instead of letting an actual crime occur.

BS.. I don't think the law is written so that the police can just stop something they feel may happen.. A whole lot of rights get taken away that way..

I feel like you may respond to my post, AzStevenCal, in a negative way.. So therefore I am asking the mods to ban you before it happens.. I am just looking ahead and doing what is right..

 

[AzStevenCal]

BS.. I don't think the law is written so that the police can just stop something they feel may happen.. A whole lot of rights get taken away that way..

I feel like you may respond to my post, AzStevenCal, in a negative way.. So therefore I am asking the mods to ban you before it happens.. I am just looking ahead and doing what is right..

It's against the law for an underaged person to possess alcohol. It's against the law for an adult to give alcohol to an underaged person. Each of these laws is designed to prevent underaged drinking. It makes a lot of sense for a person charged to uphold these laws to intervene before the kid actually consumes the beverage. To continue on with your "ban Steve" idea, it's not too different from a moderator giving a warning when someone starts getting hot and sliding their foot across the line rather than wait for the guy to go all the way postal.

Steve

 

[splitsecond]

So he got tossed for acting like a dick to a complete douchebag? I get he was probably out of line, but as I sai previously I've dealt with these liquor police and they are the types who give police a bad name. They are bigger cretins than motorcycle cops far and away.

 

[moklerman]

Officers stated in the report that while they didn't witness Coulter's son drink alcohol, Coulter's confrontational behavior prevented them from asking him any questions

Sounds more and more like d-bag cops.

 

[Southpaw]

Important parenting rule. Don't drink around your kid.

Question. Who drove home?

 

[AZ Native]

Good question. I worry about that after every game. You know there are plenty that are driving home that have no business behind the wheel.

 

[splitsecond]

Sounds more and more like d-bag cops.

Liquor police are glorified hall monitors who mimic their leader, who is honest to god the biggest douchebag i've ever encountered in law enforcement.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Liquor police are glorified hall monitors who mimic their leader, who is honest to god the biggest douchebag i've ever encountered in law enforcement.

you've obviously never met Shane!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Liquor police are glorified hall monitors who mimic their leader, who is honest to god the biggest douchebag i've ever encountered in law enforcement.

Yep: http://www.storyleak.com/six-plain-clothes-agents-assault-arrest-college-girl-buying-bottled-water/

you've obviously never met Shane!

LMFAO!