Cardinals fire QB coach Chris Miller.

[Buckybird]

Biggest step forward of the offseason. Hopefully Whis won't identify another crony and former intern. Please hire someone with some NFL experience.

Maybe Thesmel's been sending emails to Wiz, bitching bout throwing like his hair is on fire...and Thesmels the new OC. I can see us trading a 1st for Tebow & running the wishbone with Beanie, Williams & Larod right now.

 

[kerouac9]

Mike Miller isn't a quarterbacks coach; he's a former wide receivers coach.

Chris Miller was fired because he'd done nothing to develop the position in two years. Not for some master plan to bring back Todd Haley.

IMO, the assumption that Haley would come back and be re-installed at OC is mistaken. I'd guess that he'd be named assistant head coach offense or something along those lines. Mike Miller really didn't do anything to get himself demoted.

 

[BigRedRage]

Mike Miller isn't a quarterbacks coach; he's a former wide receivers coach.

Chris Miller was fired because he'd done nothing to develop the position in two years. Not for some master plan to bring back Todd Haley.

IMO, the assumption that Haley would come back and be re-installed at OC is mistaken. I'd guess that he'd be named assistant head coach offense or something along those lines. Mike Miller really didn't do anything to get himself demoted.

what would be the point in that scenario? It would make no sense to bring a $1mil a year coach to simply provide input to the coordinator.

 

[kerouac9]

what would be the point in that scenario? It would make no sense to bring a $1mil a year coach to simply provide input to the coordinator.

I honestly don't see any point in bringing in Haley at all, which is why fans and the media are hotter on this story than the Cards or Haley are. IMO, Haley's great asset was being able to work with the WRs and challenge Kirt Waner. Warner's gone now. I'm not certain what so many people think that Haley is going to bring to the table that isnt already there.

We still have Kolb and Skelton at QB. I guess that Haley could be a voice that turns to Whis and says, "Both these guys suck. Let's not call 55 passes a game."

 

[Duckjake]

I honestly don't see any point in bringing in Haley at all, which is why fans and the media are hotter on this story than the Cards or Haley are. IMO, Haley's great asset was being able to work with the WRs and challenge Kirt Waner. Warner's gone now. I'm not certain what so many people think that Haley is going to bring to the table that isnt already there.

We still have Kolb and Skelton at QB. I guess that Haley could be a voice that turns to Whis and says, "Both these guys suck. Let's not call 55 passes a game."

Could Haley also turn to Whis and say, "Grimm sucks. Let's get him on board a Springsteen concert tour bus and have somebody who knows what they're doing coach the oline while he's gone".

 

[BigRedRage]

I honestly don't see any point in bringing in Haley at all, which is why fans and the media are hotter on this story than the Cards or Haley are. IMO, Haley's great asset was being able to work with the WRs and challenge Kirt Waner. Warner's gone now. I'm not certain what so many people think that Haley is going to bring to the table that isnt already there.

We still have Kolb and Skelton at QB. I guess that Haley could be a voice that turns to Whis and says, "Both these guys suck. Let's not call 55 passes a game."

well he obviously gets mopre out of players than most coaches which is already a plus. ever since he left I see all QBs being coddled and haley wont do it. I see plenty of need for a firey guy like haley to do what whiz does not. Some people respond to whiz style, some to haley style. Having both should get more from our players. Beyond that, he is a good coach, a good tutor, got KW to improve, got larry to improve, he did some good things. To discount all of that and say he is useless is funny. He was a better OC than miller. Ever notice we rarely do trick plays or keep opponents guessing anymore?

 

[Mulli]

How long did Haley "work" with Leinart? Don't see what good he did there.

 

[BigRedRage]

How long did Haley "work" with Leinart? Don't see what good he did there.

Not claiming he is a messiah and makes everyone better. Lienart sucks, noone can make him good.

 

[Mulli]

Not claiming he is a messiah and makes everyone better. Lienart sucks, noone can make him good.

Good answer.

 

[john h]

Finally.

I wanted this guy gone all season. He's ridiculously under-qualified, and needless to say I wasn't very impressed by the progression of our QBs. Good move, FO.

I thought Skelton had excellent progress. Coach could not help an injured Kolb. The guy may be no good but it was likely not due to progress of QB. Likely he and the HC did not see eye to eye.

 

[kerouac9]

well he obviously gets mopre out of players than most coaches which is already a plus. ever since he left I see all QBs being coddled and haley wont do it. I see plenty of need for a firey guy like haley to do what whiz does not. Some people respond to whiz style, some to haley style. Having both should get more from our players. Beyond that, he is a good coach, a good tutor, got KW to improve, got larry to improve, he did some good things. To discount all of that and say he is useless is funny. He was a better OC than miller. Ever notice we rarely do trick plays or keep opponents guessing anymore?

Did you see John Skelton being coddled when he was forced to compete for his job with a just signed Ron Bartell? Or was he being coddled when he was driven to the turf over and over in spread formations with a glaring lack of protection from the offensive line? Or Kolb before him?

Or maybe you're talking about how Haley got the most of the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs offense. The one where they finished 25th in yardage and 23rd in scoring. This despite possessing the same tools that Charlie Whis inherited and lead to the 12th-best yardage and 14th-best scoring in the NFL.

I don't think that Haley is useless, but I don't think that bringing him in and demoting Mike Miller--who had his own improvements in the offense in 2011 while Haley's Chiefs plummeted back to a 27th-ranked unit--is going to do much. We didn't run a lot of trick plays in 2008, either.

It's impossible to say whether this coaching staff is absent of fiery leaders. We don't know enough about who's there and who's not. Clearly, WR coaching is a problem, or Fitz wouldn't have brought his own position coach to camp this preseason. But Haley isn't coming in as a position coach, and the offense that we played early in the season as well as late didn't appear to me to be that different than the one we ran when Haley was here. The biggest problem was that the quarterbacks were deeply inferior.

The solution to the offense isn't to bring in more fiery leadership; the solution to improving the offense is to realize that neither Kolb nor Skelton are going to be Top 15 QBs, and to tailor the offense to one that plays to their strengths. The current system--one that Haley had a hand in designing--mostly highlights the quarterbacks' weaknesses.

 

[Mulli]

Did Fitz bring his own coach to "camp" or did he bring his own coach to the workouts that happened when coaches couldn't have contact with the players?

 

[kerouac9]

Did Fitz bring his own coach to "camp" or did he bring his own coach to the workouts that happened when coaches couldn't have contact with the players?

His own coach to camp. It was Jerry Sullivan.

 

[Mulli]

His own coach to camp. It was Jerry Sullivan.

Cool. Thanks. Couldn't remember.

 

[Stout]

Fantastic move by the Cards. This had to happen, and is a good step one. Now we need them to hire a REAL QB coach as step two.

 

[BigRedRage]

Did you see John Skelton being coddled when he was forced to compete for his job with a just signed Ron Bartell? Or was he being coddled when he was driven to the turf over and over in spread formations with a glaring lack of protection from the offensive line? Or Kolb before him?

Or maybe you're talking about how Haley got the most of the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs offense. The one where they finished 25th in yardage and 23rd in scoring. This despite possessing the same tools that Charlie Whis inherited and lead to the 12th-best yardage and 14th-best scoring in the NFL.

I don't think that Haley is useless, but I don't think that bringing him in and demoting Mike Miller--who had his own improvements in the offense in 2011 while Haley's Chiefs plummeted back to a 27th-ranked unit--is going to do much. We didn't run a lot of trick plays in 2008, either.

It's impossible to say whether this coaching staff is absent of fiery leaders. We don't know enough about who's there and who's not. Clearly, WR coaching is a problem, or Fitz wouldn't have brought his own position coach to camp this preseason. But Haley isn't coming in as a position coach, and the offense that we played early in the season as well as late didn't appear to me to be that different than the one we ran when Haley was here. The biggest problem was that the quarterbacks were deeply inferior.

The solution to the offense isn't to bring in more fiery leadership; the solution to improving the offense is to realize that neither Kolb nor Skelton are going to be Top 15 QBs, and to tailor the offense to one that plays to their strengths. The current system--one that Haley had a hand in designing--mostly highlights the quarterbacks' weaknesses.

pretty sure whiz picks the QBs, not the OC. I like skelton and think we should stick with him, he has gotten better by leaps and bounds over time.

With your post, how about you explain this. Why are the cards interested in Haley? According to you, he is garbage apparently. Are they simply off their rocker and recruiting him to dismantle the team?

(ps: we threw a flea flicker for a touchdown in the playoffs)

 

[JeffGollin]

It's hard to evaluate various components of the offensive coaching staff without knowing more about coach-to-player interplay and what goes on in meeting rooms, film room and on the practice field.

Without more info/insight, all we're doing is speculating and guessing.

The best we can say is that our offense sputtered overall, that the play of both QB's was inconsistent from quarter to quarter and that their passer rating numbers (with the exception of 4Q play) were lackluster. Plus - there's been the predictable and inevitable criticism of the play calling.

The reasons for this are subject to interpretation.

But the bottom line is that we don't really know and can only guess.

 

[Buckybird]

pretty sure whiz picks the QBs, not the OC. I like skelton and think we should stick with him, he has gotten better by leaps and bounds over time.
With your post, how about you explain this. Why are the cards interested in Haley? According to you, he is garbage apparently. Are they simply off their rocker and recruiting him to dismantle the team?

(ps: we threw a flea flicker for a touchdown in the playoffs)

I'm not sure thats an accurate statement...much like Johns throws

Skelton still has the accuracy of a blind man, plays poorly in 1st halfs & in all reality could've thrown at least 20 picks in his limited time this year. He has upside but I'm skeptical if he ever becomes much better than we've already seen.

 

[Pariah]

At first read I thought this was Miller the OC. My bad.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm not sure thats an accurate statement...much like Johns throws

Skelton still has the accuracy of a blind man, plays poorly in 1st halfs & in all reality could've thrown at least 20 picks in his limited time this year. He has upside but I'm skeptical if he ever becomes much better than we've already seen.

Compared to his first outings? huge progress IMO but to each his own. I like Skelton and think he has the tools to succeed in this league.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree that Haley brings less to the table than many people think. Keep in mind that both Haley and Mike Miller ran Whis' offense when they were here, which is why he brought them on.

 

[kerouac9]

pretty sure whiz picks the QBs, not the OC. I like skelton and think we should stick with him, he has gotten better by leaps and bounds over time.

With your post, how about you explain this. Why are the cards interested in Haley? According to you, he is garbage apparently. Are they simply off their rocker and recruiting him to dismantle the team?

(ps: we threw a flea flicker for a touchdown in the playoffs)

Please. It's difficult to type with the words that you're shoving in my mouth. Please locate where I said or even implied that Haley is "garbage."

I don't think that the Cards are that interested in Haley. They're certainly not interested to the extent that most people here and guys in the local media are. If that were the case, why was Whis so lukewarm on Haley's return? Why are the AZ beat writers suddenly so much more cautious about Haley's return?

My feeling is that Whis told Haley that he'd always have a home with the Arizona Cardinals, but he likes what he has on his offensive coaching staff outside of the Quarterbacks Coach.

For me, the return of Haley would only be of marginal improvement. I'd much rather spend that money getting a better/more experienced quarterbacks coach who isn't indebted to Whis and can create a two-way communication between players and the rest of the offensive staff.

 

[BigRedRage]

Please. It's difficult to type with the words that you're shoving in my mouth. Please locate where I said or even implied that Haley is "garbage."

I don't think that the Cards are that interested in Haley. They're certainly not interested to the extent that most people here and guys in the local media are. If that were the case, why was Whis so lukewarm on Haley's return? Why are the AZ beat writers suddenly so much more cautious about Haley's return?

My feeling is that Whis told Haley that he'd always have a home with the Arizona Cardinals, but he likes what he has on his offensive coaching staff outside of the Quarterbacks Coach.

For me, the return of Haley would only be of marginal improvement. I'd much rather spend that money getting a better/more experienced quarterbacks coach who isn't indebted to Whis and can create a two-way communication between players and the rest of the offensive staff.

oh, sorry I summarized your 3 paragraphs of statistics claiming Haley produces crappy offenses as saying he is garbage, you must have meant he is fantastic.

When whiz came to AZ he had coordinators as position coaches, HC candidates as coordinators and we went to the super bowl. Since then we now seem more like we have peiople where they deserve to be. I will take overqualified all day long and twice on sunday. Haley would be in that mold. Sorry you simply dont like the guy but I will take every single improvement to the team I can get my hands on.