Cardinals' HC Package Question

[Mitch]

If reports out of ABC 15 are correct that Pat Shurmur is the Cardinals' leading candidate and that Steve Wilks is #2, which combination would you prefer?

1

HC Pat Shurmur
OC Ken Dorsey
DC James Bettcher (some are speculating, although nothing is confirmed at this point)

2

HC Steve Wilks
OC John DeFilippo
DC Al Holcomb (LBC CAR)

This is a tough call, imo.

With Shurmur we would be getting one of the best play callers and offensive game planners in the NFL. Plus, he would very likely bring QB Case Keenum, QB Teddy Bridgewater or QB Sam Bradford with him.

My questions are: (1) can he be an effective HC for the entire team? (2) if MB and SK convince him to retain James Bettcher as DC, can Bettcher improve his half-time adjustments and get more aggression out of Patrick Peterson and Tyrann Mathieu?

On the other hand, Steve Wilks appears to be a very strong motivator, who may likely have a greater influence on the entire team. The ultra aggressive aspects of his defensive philosophy are highly appealing. The indication is that he would be happy with John DeFilippo, who reportedly is now the Seahawks' top choice for their vacant OC position.

My questions are: (1) can the Cardinals make a swift and successful transition to Wilks' 43 defense? (2) can the Cardinals outbid the Seahawks for DeFilippo, assuming he does not get a HC job?

What I was hoping for is that Pat Shurmur would bring Vikings' DBC Jerry Gray with him as DC. Gray has 22 years of NFL experience---he would bring his own form of Mike Zimmer's defense with him---and after working for 1 year with the Seahawks' DBs, Gray became the Tennessee Titans' DC for 3 years (2011-2013). He was hired by HC Mike Munchak. In his first year the Titans' defense was 8th in the NFL in points allowed. But in year three the defense was struggling and Gray found himself of the hot seat, although Munchak remained confident in Gray's ability.

If Gray (or a coach of his exerience) is Shurmur's choice for DC---I am all in on Shurmur.

Otherwise, i think the combination of Wilks, DeFilippo and Holcomb is more attractive.

What coaching combination would you like to see?

 

[Lagerfilled]

Wilks and it’s not even close. The Cards need an uber strong leader of men and figure head for the franchise. Wilks seems to have that gravitas from reading the tea leaves. Just don’t see Shurmur being that guy. Not to mention, I want the Arians castoffs (Bettcher) as far away from this team as possible.

They need to instill a toughness, physicality, and a killer instinct / nastiness that we haven’t had with this team historically. I believe Wilks and staff will bring that to the Birdgang regardless of scheme.

 

[TheCardFan]

This is where my head is at now as well...Shurmur vs Wilks.

The challenge - which guy would be the best HC and which one could field the best staff?

Shurmur has done a very nice job of getting efficiency out of QB's. Failed as a HC the first time but could have learned a lot since then. I am not excited about Case Keenum or Ken Dorsey.

Wilks seems like a Mike Tomlin clone and if so, he would be by far my #1 choice. An article posted about him stated his defenses are aggressive and he is all about discipline and accountability (at every level). First time head coach at this level, so that is a risk. I don't like the idea of switching to a 4-3. I love the 3-4 and Chandler Jones just had a career year.

Wilks (if the next Mike Tomlin) and DeFilippo (if he is everything they say he could be) would be my choice.

 

[Finito]

If reports out of ABC 15 are correct that Pat Shurmur is the Cardinals' leading candidate and that Steve Wilks is #2, which combination would you prefer?

1

HC Pat Shurmur
OC Ken Dorsey
DC James Bettcher (some are speculating, although nothing is confirmed at this point)

2

HC Steve Wilks
OC John DeFilippo
DC Al Holcomb (LBC CAR)

This is a tough call, imo.

With Shurmur we would be getting one of the best play callers and offensive game planners in the NFL. Plus, he would very likely bring QB Case Keenum, QB Teddy Bridgewater or QB Sam Bradford with him.

My questions are: (1) can he be an effective HC for the entire team? (2) if MB and SK convince him to retain James Bettcher as DC, can Bettcher improve his half-time adjustments and get more aggression out of Patrick Peterson and Tyrann Mathieu?

On the other hand, Steve Wilks appears to be a very strong motivator, who may likely have a greater influence on the entire team. The ultra aggressive aspects of his defensive philosophy are highly appealing. The indication is that he would be happy with John DeFilippo, who reportedly is now the Seahawks' top choice for their vacant OC position.

My questions are: (1) can the Cardinals make a swift and successful transition to Wilks' 43 defense? (2) can the Cardinals outbid the Seahawks for DeFilippo, assuming he does not get a HC job?

What I was hoping for is that Pat Shurmur would bring Vikings' DBC Jerry Gray with him as DC. Gray has 22 years of NFL experience---he would bring his own form of Mike Zimmer's defense with him---and after working for 1 year with the Seahawks' DBs, Gray became the Tennessee Titans' DC for 3 years (2011-2013). He was hired by HC Mike Munchak. In his first year the Titans' defense was 8th in the NFL in points allowed. But in year three the defense was struggling and Gray found himself of the hot seat, although Munchak remained confident in Gray's ability.

If Gray (or a coach of his exerience) is Shurmur's choice for DC---I am all in on Shurmur.

Otherwise, i think the combination of Wilks, DeFilippo and Holcomb is more attractive.

What coaching combination would you like to see?

Can you make a post without taking a shot at Peterson?

Damn dude

 

[TRW]

Option 2 to me. Just for the OC, especially if we get a young QB in the draft.

 

[BillsCarnage]

If reports out of ABC 15 are correct that Pat Shurmur is the Cardinals' leading candidate and that Steve Wilks is #2, which combination would you prefer?

If listening to KTAR this morning is anything it sure sounds like Bettcher is high up on the list. I could see Shurmer and Bettcher as being a 1A and 1B.

HC Pat Shurmur
OC Ken Dorsey
DC James Bettcher (some are speculating, although nothing is confirmed at this point)

With Shurmur we would be getting one of the best play callers and offensive game planners in the NFL. Plus, he would very likely bring QB Case Keenum, QB Teddy Bridgewater or QB Sam Bradford with him.

My questions are: (1) can he be an effective HC for the entire team? (2) if MB and SK convince him to retain James Bettcher as DC...

This might be the Cards dream scenario along with Keenum coming along to bridge the QBOF.
And, the Cards might want to keep the D in place rather than transform to a 4-3.

 

[jf-08]

Option 2 to me. Just for the OC, especially if we get a young QB in the draft.

+1

 

[iLLmatiC]

Wilks and it’s not even close. The Cards need an uber strong leader of men and figure head for the franchise. Wilks seems to have that gravitas from reading the tea leaves. Just don’t see Shurmur being that guy. Not to mention, I want the Arians castoffs (Bettcher) as far away from this team as possible.

They need to instill a toughness, physicality, and a killer instinct / nastiness that we haven’t had with this team historically. I believe Wilks and staff will bring that to the Birdgang regardless of scheme.

Yeah that worked out really well for the Suns.

 

[Arz101]

The title of the thread though!

 

[Chopper0080]

Option 2 to me. Just for the OC, especially if we get a young QB in the draft.

You act like he will be in AZ for more than two years if he is successful. Offensive coordinators gets opportunities more often than DCs now days.

 

[TRW]

You act like he will be in AZ for more than two years if he is successful. Offensive coordinators gets opportunities more often than DCs now days.

2 years grooming a young kid would be OK. Who knows?

 

[slanidrac16]

I’ll take option 1. If shurmur is the offensive genius we hope he is , as the head coach I’m sure he will tweak the defensive shortcomings and trends this defense shows. Going to wilks will involve much more change and adjustments. Option 1 for sure.

 

[Chopper0080]

I try not to question any man's package, much less the Cardinals HC package...

 

[Hypothesis]

Seems word is slowly starting to circulate that Vic Fangio may go wherever Shurmur goes. Could make a Shurmur hire a little more appealing if true.

 

[splitsecond]

Honestly I like them both. I was originally worried about Shurmur being a retread, but what he has done in MN with a middling (maybe he isn't...) QB shows me he may fit the mold of retreads who learn and become great head coaches on their second stint. It takes a certain amount of grit and he has it.

 

[slanidrac16]

Seems word is slowly starting to circulate that Vic Fangio may go wherever Shurmur goes. Could make a Shurmur hire a little more appealing if true.

Oh my. This would be a outstanding!

 

[iLLmatiC]

I'm cool with either hire. I think either hire would be good for the team.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Can you make a post without taking a shot at Peterson?

Damn dude

That's a fairly innocuous PP comment...not sure it's worthy of scorn.

 

[ARZCardinals]

It’s all wasted breath...or typing

None of us have any idea how these guys are gonna be as a HC of AZ

Cards don’t have a QB or offensive line

That’s not exactly attractive

 

[Veer]

If you are commited to it you can build a solid OL within one FA and draft.

The biggest question imo is if we go the young franchise QB road or with a vet like Keenum. HC Wilks OC DeFilippo could work well for a year, but what what if DeFilippo gets a HC opportunity? He already got some interviews this year. This could really hurt our possibly young franchise QB of the future. With Shurmur or even DeFilippo himself as HC, you have no risk of screwing your young franchise QB's development.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Michael Bidwill on Cardinals’ search: I’m not trying to copycat anybody

“I’m not trying to copycat anybody,” Cardinals team president Michael Bidwill said during an appearance on the “Big Red Rage” radio show. “I’m trying to make the best decision for us to hire the next leader [and] head coach that will deliver championships to this team and this town.”

The Cardinals are taking their time, with Bidwill calling it a “really important marriage.”

“It always feels like when you are hiring a senior leader like this, you have to go through a couple rounds of this, and somebody always separates themselves,” Bidwill said.

 

[Totally_Red]

If Shumur brings Keenum and Vic Fangio, I'd take Shurmur.

 

[unseenaz]

HC Steve Wilks
OC John DeFilippo



Oh baby

 

[unseenaz]

can the Cardinals outbid the Seahawks for DeFilippo, assuming he does not get a HC job?

I’m guessing the Seahawks already have their guy for OC. The timing of the fires kind of makes sense for that to be true. DeFilippo or otherwise

 

[oaken1]

the off season never fails to entertain around here...

holy poo...we have an entire thread dedicated to our head coaches package...
and we aint even got a HC yet...

simply amazing