Cardinals need to trade out of #7 overall pick

[WildBB]

I don't think that there are good enough players in this draft to want to load up on picks this year. Doesn't seem to be a great crop.

It's a VERY deep DL draft this yr. CB and WR's while not overwhelming early are many and deep. Same with Saftey.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't think that there are good enough players in this draft to want to load up on picks this year. Doesn't seem to be a great crop.

And another 5 points goes to K9 for another gardening reference.

7 is my lucky number, it took a beating when Leenart was shoulder leaning and popping his colla. We will not trade this pick, we will land somebody here that is badass....book it!

 

[WildBB]

And another 5 points goes to K9 for another gardening reference.

7 is my lucky number, it took a beating when Leenart was shoulder leaning and popping his colla. We will not trade this pick, we will land somebody here that is badass....book it!

And take your chances on thirds or fourths on a QB, when it's our turn again?

You can get really good quality in the first 15 picks....yea bad asses!

 

[desertdawg]

And take your chances on thirds or fourths on a QB, when it's our turn again?

You can get really good quality in the first 15 picks....yea bad asses!

It's Geno or hell no for me. For the record, I don't want to ever, ever, ever ever draft another QB passed the second round. Whiz burned that one in my brain. I think it will be Kolb for one more year, if we can get a real backup QB (someone that won't lose the game and can complete a friggin pass) in the off season than we can concentrate on O-line or BPA all through the draft. So I expect to miss out on Geno, there might be a couple decent QBs left late in the first round but I don't see them making round 2. I expect the Cardinals to get a journyman vet to come in whenever Kolb goes down.

 

[WildBB]

It's Geno or hell no for me. For the record, I don't want to ever, ever, ever ever draft another QB passed the second round. Whiz burned that one in my brain. I think it will be Kolb for one more year, if we can get a real backup QB (someone that won't lose the game and can complete a friggin pass) in the off season than we can concentrate on O-line or BPA all through the draft. So I expect to miss out on Geno, there might be a couple decent QBs left late in the first round but I don't see them making round 2. I expect the Cardinals to get a journyman vet to come in whenever Kolb goes down.

That's what I meant by thirds or fourths (best rated QB) by the time our 2nd rd. pick rolls around if we stand pat.

Now if you trade back a tad, then you have better ammo to move into the back end of the 1st AGAIN to pick your target passer.

 

[Superfuzz]

Let's just draft Warmack and be done with it. We have a hole there, he will likely be there, we made a commitment to the OL and he is an elite prospect. What's not to like?

 

[Goldfield]

any mock that doesn't have the Cards drafting 2-3 o lineman in the first 4 rounds is garbage.

the entire focus this draft will be o line

I hope the line gets fixed in this draft, but I doubt we use 3-4 picks on it.

 

[WildBB]

Let's just draft Warmack and be done with it. We have a hole there, he will likely be there, we made a commitment to the OL and he is an elite prospect. What's not to like?

The QB situation.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I hope the line gets fixed in this draft, but I doubt we use 3-4 picks on it.

Quote of the day

I said 2-3

U change it to 3-4

Do u work for fix nEws?

 

[THESMEL]

GNU's

fixed Gnu's. con

Keim is a BPA guy - I really don't think need will factor in -nor will we take a QB with #7 overall. If our big board set already than shame on Keim-
We have 3 rookie olineman with a year experience and growth- that could be a huge winfall - on depth if not starting talent.

I liked the continuity we had on the oline that took us to the SB. with the premium on lineman, and this draft - I think our lowest risk is on the line offense or defense. I just don't see skills players breaking the top 10?

I take Levi over APagain, all day long- yes we missed out ona stud RB- but Levi was the BPA! IMHO


Milliner at CB may be possible?

Quote of the day

I said 2-3

U change it to 3-4

Do u work for fix nEws?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yeah, unless we're being offered a bounty, I don't like moving back. Top 10 talent has a chance to be completely elite. I'd rather have Warmack or a QB at the 7 spot than gamble that someone great is going to drop.

Maybe I've got some kind of complex thanks to Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson though. I've always hated trading back.

It would be worth it for a Boldin in the second

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

It would be worth it for a Boldin in the second

I wouldn't call him a Boldin type, but I love the kid from Baylor. He is big and fast with good hands. I love the fast ones. He would really be a deep threat and open the mid-field up for Fitz and Floyd - the freeken F brothers.

 

[Snakester]

Stay at 7 and draft Eric Fischer. That gives us a franchise LT. We move Levi to guard. we now have our tackles set for the next ten years and a monster run blocking guard in Levi.

 

[kerouac9]

It's a VERY deep DL draft this yr. CB and WR's while not overwhelming early are many and deep. Same with Saftey.

Well, we have 4 DL that I'm comfrotable with, and if we re-sign Toler, we have a whole bunch of corners from 2012. We have zero need for WR.

So tell me again why the Cards should load up with picks in this draft, instead of taking a player or two where the talent pool is deep (OL), and the punting for a year when there might be a valuable QB?

 

[CtCardinals78]

I take Levi over APagain, all day long- yes we missed out ona stud RB- but Levi was the BPA! IMHO

A HOF, all pro running back who may be one of the best to play the game ever vs. a run of the mill underachieving LT.

Good call on taking the underachieving LT.

As far as the BPA theory at the time it was common knowledge by everybody AP was the superior player left on the board and Levi would be a project. You don't draft projects in the first round. It's that type of mentality that put the Cardinals in the position they are currently in.

 

[desertdawg]

Well, we have 4 DL that I'm comfrotable with, and if we re-sign Toler, we have a whole bunch of corners from 2012. We have zero need for WR.

So tell me again why the Cards should load up with picks in this draft, instead of taking a player or two where the talent pool is deep (OL), and the punting for a year when there might be a valuable QB?

I'm not only down with keeping the 7th, I'm down with trading up and getting another pick in the late first-early second round if certain players are still on the board. If we can get 3 picks in the top 40, this draft could be a stellar one (minus a QB pick up). I don't think we should draft a rookie QB just to draft one either, beef it up and fix it so we can support our rookie QB that deserves an honest chance.

 

[Superfuzz]

The QB situation.

So overdrafting someone at number 7 is going to fix the problem how? Why not pick up an elite OL to protect a 2nd-round QB whose value is more commensurate with the round they are being drafted in? Can't throw the ball if you're on your back.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I wouldn't call him a Boldin type, but I love the kid from Baylor. He is big and fast with good hands. I love the fast ones. He would really be a deep threat and open the mid-field up for Fitz and Floyd - the freeken F brothers.

I mean someone with Boldin's talent regardless of position, WR is the least of our problems

 

[THESMEL]

yea

Yea who has been to the most super Bowls? I give Levi alot more credit than others- Jaws mentioned Levi's success and Cardinal nation pummled him - Kurt Warner was not easy to defend - and We dared them too rush and beat Levi practically every down for 5 years!

Now I give Deuce and R Wells and Sendlein and continuity a ton of credit - Bridges too- But to give up 25 or 26 sacks under these conditions? not that AP would have got the ball anyway- I mean Edge was top 10 RB rushing, catching and yards from scrimmage - and was probably the best blocking back in NFL history. He was replaced by a willing 5th round draft pick- that was the worse rusher in the NFL.

THT replaced Beanie too- Blocking was at a premium- you know- but don't give Levi any credit. kick him in the Deuce !

A HOF, all pro running back who may be one of the best to play the game ever vs. a run of the mill underachieving LT.

Good call on taking the underachieving LT.

As far as the BPA theory at the time it was common knowledge by everybody AP was the superior player left on the board and Levi would be a project. You don't draft projects in the first round. It's that type of mentality that put the Cardinals in the position they are currently in.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well, we have 4 DL that I'm comfrotable with, and if we re-sign Toler, we have a whole bunch of corners from 2012. We have zero need for WR.

So tell me again why the Cards should load up with picks in this draft, instead of taking a player or two where the talent pool is deep (OL), and the punting for a year when there might be a valuable QB?

I agree that I am not sold on the trading back prospect in round 1. I think there are acouple of tiers in this draft, and the top tier is very small. IMO, a player like Warmack has much more value than most other options. That being said, if the right offer comes along you have to consider it, but as is, I am probably not moving unless it is only a couple of spaces down.

 

[john h]

Clearly the Cardinals have a ton of needs and with the coaching staff change, they will want to put their stamp on this team. The best way to do that is by stockpiling picks in the first 3 rounds. I think this is a very deep draft. So the more picks the better IMO.

Look what Seattle and St Louis did last year. I'd love to see the Cardinals do something similar. I think they need at least 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.

I think it's time to see how well Keim can manipulate the draft. This is where Keim can earn his money and prove he deserved the job. Graves was terrible at moving around and often got fleeced. Will it be the same with Keim? Let hope he has more success!

Teams are always looking to move up. Perhaps we can trade with Miami (may be in need of a starting OT) throw in our 5th rounder and land their extra 2nd round pick (#54 overall). Then we could trade again with someone like Dallas (#18 overall) and land their 3rd rounder (#80 overall) and thier 7th rounder.

That would put us at #18 overall and have two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders for at total of 5 picks in the first three rounds.


1st round* (#18) *From Cowboys
2nd round (#38)
2nd round* (#54) *From Miami
3rd round (#69)
3rd round* (#80)*From Cowboys

I'm guessing we would target a QB with the #18 overall pick. Then in the second and third rounds go after OL and DL and RB.

IMHO when you trade away high picks just to get more picks you need to have someone definitely in mind you want. Do not trade picks just to acquire "more" picks. Statistically speaking the higher picks have a better chance of success than lower picks which only makes sense. We seem to focus on the fact that people like Brady came from a lower round and forget that most of these lower round guys never make it at the NFL level.

 

[Jetstream Green]

IMHO when you trade away high picks just to get more picks you need to have someone definitely in mind you want. Do not trade picks just to acquire "more" picks. Statistically speaking the higher picks have a better chance of success than lower picks which only makes sense. We seem to focus on the fact that people like Brady came from a lower round and forget that most of these lower round guys never make it at the NFL level.

I think the QB position can been seen by the same angle with free agency. Seldom does one get lucky like we did with Warner, and Warner should not make us think that free agency is a dependable route to get the QB position where we need it to be. After all, starting QBs are a premium and teams do not allow guys to leave if they really have special value. In all, I still think a high draft pick at QB is the logical approach to bring stability to the position but unfortunately the QB pickings in the draft appear slim to none this year.

 

[john h]

"Need" is hardly a good bargaining chip.

If someone shows up and offers a deal you can't refuse, fine... but, I doubt it.

I don't favour giving up a blue chip prospect at the top of the draft, but, I'm all for moving up and down in the later rounds in search of a gem.

I am with you on this. I do not trade away my #7 for two lower round picks as we likely have no idea who will be there when we pick in the lower rounds. It is not that hard to guess who is going in the first 7 picks. Most of us would hit 4 out of 7 and we are not even pros.

Lately I have been thinking we need to sign an experienced QB as we likely are not going to compete this year unless our QB plays lights out. I originally wanted to sign a QB with our #1 and I still think we need to focus on a QB in all the upcoming drafts until we hit
the jackpot. I am now thinking we should consider a BPA up to a point. If he is a OT or someone we think is a sure fire starter then I have no problem. That does not rule out us taking a QB if our leaders think one of these guys measures up to that high a pick.

 

[john h]

You shouldn't let the past effect your decisions in the future. If the Cardinals decide to trade back I hope they do so with the thought that there are several players they are still interested in rather than banking on one or two players being available like they did then.

I much agree especially since we have new people on board who will be making drafting decisions. We have not been very good in the past and if the same group were making the decisions again then history would need to be considered.

 

[TruCard]

I agree that as much as I am not a fan of trading out, this draft allows us to. That is unless Jarvis Jones is at 7. You do not pass on Jones.