Cardinals show signs of coming together

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Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 22, 2005 12:00 AM

Now that they managed to apply the brakes to a season on the verge of skidding out of control, the Cardinals have to decide how to finish the ride.

They could panic and find themselves upside-down in a ditch with a demoralizing effort Sunday at home against the Jacksonville Jaguars and the No. 1 passing defense in the league.

Or they could follow up a 38-28 triumph in St. Louis as quarterback Kurt Warner suggests, by stomping on the gas, refusing to look in the rear-view mirror, and beginning to trust that they're a football team headed in the right direction.


In the week-to-week mind game that is the NFL, the best talking is usually done on the field of play, but Warner made it clear following Monday's walk-through at the team's Tempe training facility that talk isn't cheap among teammates.

They're starting to get it, he said. So is he. Communication on all fronts has been improving, and never was that more evident than the week's worth of practices leading up to Sunday's win over the Rams.

"I think we played our best overall football game of the season, and that's what you build on," said Warner, who passed for 285 yards and three touchdowns, his most in a game in four years. "You can't take one step forward and two steps back. That doesn't work in this league. So we have to build off of this win and make sure we continue to do what we're doing right."

Other than too many penalties (10 for 111 yards), the Cardinals got most everything else right against St. Louis:


• The running game showed signs of life, gaining 94 yards and prompting coach Dennis Green to predict tailback J.J. Arrington is due for "a breakout game."


• Warner effectively mixed his tight ends into a No. 3-rated passing offense led by playmakers Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald, who have combined for 10 100-yard games, one shy of the franchise record.


• The defense stuffed the line of scrimmage and limited the Rams to 6 total rushing yards, the fewest allowed by a Cardinals team in 35 years.


• Strong safety Adrian Wilson became a candidate for NFC Defensive Player of the Week with three sacks, the most by a Cardinals defensive back since sack records have been kept, and also forcing and recovering a fumble.


• Kick returner Reggie Swinton set up a touchdown with a 90-yard runback, even though a toe injury has left him at less than 100 percent.

But can a 3-7 team only now starting to feel good about itself repeat that performance against a 7-3 Jacksonville club that is a lot tougher than the Rams?

"It's going to be a challenge for both teams," Fitzgerald said. "Their defense is pretty tough, but we're showing people we've got a very good offense, and our defense is capable of getting the job done, too. We'll be ready."

Warner, who has thrown for nearly 1,000 yards (987) in the three weeks since he returned from a groin injury, has noticed a change on the team. Teammates are challenging each other and are getting on the same page.

Constructive criticism is being taken to heart and not personally.

"Guys are talking a little bit more, saying, 'Hey, we need a little bit more of this,' or 'I need you to do this, not that,' and we're all communicating more about everything, even the little things. We know how important those things are and that communication is, and hopefully that's a sign of things to come.

"You need that. You have to stick with it. And once it's there, good things happen. I still think we've got a lot of good things ahead of us."

Did you know?

Some interesting numbers from Arizona's 38-28 victory over St. Louis:

• The 6 rushing yards Arizona allowed were the fewest by the defense since the NFL merger in 1970.

• The last time the Cardinals scored at least 32 or more points in road game was Nov. 22, 1998, at Washington, a 49-42 Arizona win.

• The last time they scored 22 points in the fourth quarter was Nov. 18, 2001, vs. Detroit. Arizona scored 24 in the fourth against the Lions.

• Kurt Warner's 115.9 quarterback rating was the highest for the Cardinals since Jake Plummer's 124.2 rating against Detroit in 2001.

• It was the first time Warner threw for three touchdowns since the 2001 season finale, when he was the league's MVP with the Rams.

• Arizona's 27 first downs were the most since the club had 30 on Jan. 2, 2000, at Green Bay.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/1122cards1122.html
 
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The most amazing statistic about that article...

It's from the Arizonal Republic and there is not even one slam against the Cardinals. :thud:

I can hardly believe it! :eek:
 
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• The running game showed signs of life, gaining 94 yards and prompting coach Dennis Green to predict tailback J.J. Arrington is due for "a breakout game."
Then how come he is not in the starting lineup and getting the heavy majority of the carries? I'm sorry, but Denny's continued faith in Marcel Shipp even in the face of the obvious fact that Arrington has become more effective shoots major holes in the much referenced Green-hater theory that DG plays "his guys" over more capable backups.
 

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Then how come he is not in the starting lineup and getting the heavy majority of the carries? I'm sorry, but Denny's continued faith in Marcel Shipp even in the face of the obvious fact that Arrington has become more effective shoots major holes in the much referenced Green-hater theory that DG plays "his guys" over more capable backups.

I think Shipp is starter in name only. I think if we were to count how many snaps each got last week it would probably be an equal amount of playing time. Plus that ratio has probably been going up every week in JJ's favor.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Then how come he is not in the starting lineup and getting the heavy majority of the carries? I'm sorry, but Denny's continued faith in Marcel Shipp even in the face of the obvious fact that Arrington has become more effective shoots major holes in the much referenced Green-hater theory that DG plays "his guys" over more capable backups.

I dunno... It could be DG is protecting JJ. It seemed JJ lost confidence in himself at the beginning and he is just now gaining it back. Throw him in as the starter and if he fails again it could ruin him maybe for a long time. It does seem JJ is getting more carries and it is possible within a few games he will be the starter. Purely speculation on my part.

Don't get me wrong... I think JJ is more of the answer behind the QB than Shipp is and I have been behind Shipp for three years.
 

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I dunno... It could be DG is protecting JJ. It seemed JJ lost confidence in himself at the beginning and he is just now gaining it back. Throw him in as the starter and if he fails again it could ruin him maybe for a long time. It does seem JJ is getting more carries and it is possible within a few games he will be the starter. Purely speculation on my part.

Don't get me wrong... I think JJ is more of the answer behind the QB than Shipp is and I have been behind Shipp for three years.

You may be on to something here Portland. It looks like JJ is now more to the answer behind the QB as well. I have also been a supporter of Marcel's and want him to do good, but it looks like JJ is passing him by.
 

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It's the set up

big back running up the gut sets up Mr. Swift to the outside, amongst the other things he does.
 

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big back running up the gut sets up Mr. Swift to the outside, amongst the other things he does.

Yup, we need them both. And now that the O-line seems to be getting it things will only get better.
 

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Maybe Marcell is back there more for his protection of Kurt. :shrug:
 

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That's

probably a part of it ,but JJ seems to be starting to get that part also.
The differnce in their styles, though I'm not saying one does something the other can't, really compliment each other. When used correctly one sets the D up for the other one.
 

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Forget about it.

The Cardinals are still an awful football team right now. Too many people inactive or on IR. Last week was the Cardinals annual throw the fans a bone game.

Jaguars will make mincemeat out of them.

Arrington will go back to tripping over his own feet and Shipp will again do his Pittman imitation running full, well 3/4, speed into the back of an offensive lineman before falling on his rear.
 

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Duckjake said:
Forget about it.

The Cardinals are still an awful football team right now. Too many people inactive or on IR. Last week was the Cardinals annual throw the fans a bone game.

Jaguars will make mincemeat out of them.

Arrington will go back to tripping over his own feet and Shipp will again do his Pittman imitation running full, well 3/4, speed into the back of an offensive lineman before falling on his rear.
maybe.
I think it'll be a close game either way.
 

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Duckjake said:
Forget about it.

The Cardinals are still an awful football team right now. Too many people inactive or on IR. Last week was the Cardinals annual throw the fans a bone game.

Jaguars will make mincemeat out of them.

Arrington will go back to tripping over his own feet and Shipp will again do his Pittman imitation running full, well 3/4, speed into the back of an offensive lineman before falling on his rear.

You need some :koolaid:
 

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Dj,dj,dj

I must say sir, I AM disappointed. Why, your pessimism is so unbecoming a southern gentleman like your self. LOL
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to not agree.
Cards start to make their run. Christmas Eve is a sellout after their record soars. This is where we show we're up there with the good teams in the NFL!!
C U soon bro!
 

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jstadvl said:
I must say sir, I AM disappointed. Why, your pessimism is so unbecoming a southern gentleman like your self. LOL
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to not agree.
Cards start to make their run. Christmas Eve is a sellout after their record soars. This is where we show we're up there with the good teams in the NFL!!
C U soon bro!

Last week I was bagging on Swinton and there was an entire thread bagging on Wilson. Look what they did on Sunday. Just trying to help improve our running game.

:D
 

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IMHO Green not starting JJ is a motivational tool.
And until he can prove his ability consistently over 3 or 4 games. hes not going to start.
 

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IMHO Green not starting JJ is a motivational tool.
And until he can prove his ability consistently over 3 or 4 games. hes not going to start.

Check out his last 4-5 games, he's already proven that he's better than Shipp. At the beginning of the year he was clearly not running as well as Shipp, now he's running better than Shipp.

I thought he was going to get 15-20 carries last week, I was so confident of that I started him in 2 fantasy leagues. In his last 5 he's only had 1 bad game, the Cowboys(4 carries 5 yards) in the others he's averaged 6 YPC, 8 ypc, 3YPC and 4.1 YPC(unfortunately on this team 3 YPC is not bad).

11 carries Sunday was his career high, I expect he'll get more this Sunday especially if the game is close enough for us to be running the ball and not forced to pass on every down.
 

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I tend to agree Russ, he seems to find a hole and finds it faster
 

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This was probably the best regular season road win we've had in a decade in terms of really beating an opponent down. When is the last time we really mopped anyone on the road??
 

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Duckjake said:
Last week I was bagging on Swinton and there was an entire thread bagging on Wilson. Look what they did on Sunday. Just trying to help improve our running game.

:D
I was semi called out on the Cards-Rams prediction page for saying that Jackson was going to run all over us. :stick: It's all about the mojo. The Jags will run it down our throats.
 

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I think EXPECTING the Cards to beat JAX will leave you disappointed. I have not seen a lot of JAX but it appears to me they are much better than the Cards and Rams. JAX is playing for the playoffs too. Since 1998 the Cards have not been able to sustain good play against good teams. What is the longest win streak since '98?
 
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BigRedMO said:
I think expecting the Cards to beat JAX will leave you disappointed. I have not seen a lot of JAX but it appears to me they are much better than the Cards and Rams. Since 1998 the Cards have not been able to sustain good play. What is the longest win streak since '98?

1999 4 in a row (4-4 second half of season)
2001 3 in a row (5-3 in second half of season)

Oddly enough both those streaks started in mid November with the 9th game of the Cardinals season.

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If the Cards do win.... it would be another 'monkey off their back' because it would be the first team with a winning record they beat in a long time!!

IIRC
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Then how come he is not in the starting lineup and getting the heavy majority of the carries? I'm sorry, but Denny's continued faith in Marcel Shipp even in the face of the obvious fact that Arrington has become more effective shoots major holes in the much referenced Green-hater theory that DG plays "his guys" over more capable backups.

Not to argue this point but Green has said previously that Shipp was "my kind of player" so I would suggest that Shipp IS a Denny guy.

As for Arrington, he is coming along nicely...I had my doubts. Quite frankly, I wish Denny had brought him along like this from the get-go instead of placing the weight of the entire running game on the kids shoulders. Arrington deserves to get more carries each week as he is proving himself more and more.

Maybe I shouldn't be greedy but I still would love to have Reggie Bush here and relegate Arrington to situational/3rd down back status.

One thing to keep in mind though...Jacksonville is no St Louis. Much tougher test in front of the Cards this week...MUCH tougher
 

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DEnny might say that Shipp is his kind of player but, JJ was his kind of pick in the second round. So he too is his kind of player only he is going to do it better than any back we have had for ten years or more>

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