Cardinals | Team negotiating LONG TERM deal with LB Karlos Dansby

[Napier]

I will be happy once the Dansby situation is finalized and he's signed a long-term contract. It feel like this cloud has been hanging for far too long; particularly, when we have other players that need to be signed too.

 

[WisconsinCard]

ILB in a 3-4. OLB in a 4-3.

JMHO

Truth.

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[WisconsinCard]

This is ludicrous.

Dansby has had all offseason to get his contract worked out.

It seems silly that team negotiations with Wilson and Boldin once again have to wait because the team now has to go back and try to work out a deal Dansby.
Just make him a fair offer.

If he rejects it, then let him go after next season and move on.

For the same money, the team could probably land a Free Agent LB next season just as good or better than Dansby.

Different situations, Wilson and Q are still under contract. If they (FO) can get a deal done with LOS it frees up a lot of cash to help in the A-dub and Q deals. Los needs to be done first IMO.

 

[WildBB]

Different situations, Wilson and Q are still under contract. If they (FO) can get a deal done with LOS it frees up a lot of cash to help in the A-dub and Q deals. Los needs to be done first IMO.

And that could be the hold up, Possibly. Maybe he wants too much up front where it's not making a lot of sense for the team TO sign him longer term. Thus not freeing up enough cap space.

 

[Duckjake]

For the same money, the team could probably land a Free Agent LB next season just as good or better than Dansby.

If only it were that easy. It took the Cards 2 years and a second and first round draft pick to replace David Boston and Frank Sanders. It took 3 years to replace Simeon Rice with Berry. 6 years to replace Eric Swann with Darnell Dockett.

8 years to replace Aeneas Williams with DRC. 9 years to replace Tim McDonald with Adrian Wilson. 13 years to replace Awalt/Novacek with Freddie Jones and they never have found a replacement for him. 16 years to replace Neil Lomax with Kurt Warner. 20 years to replace OJ Anderson with Edgerrin James.

Veteran players win championships. You don't let top tier veterans go in the prime of their career. You wait until they are older and then you only let them go when you have a 2nd or 3rd year player ready to step in.

 

[RolleRocks]

Different situations, Wilson and Q are still under contract. If they (FO) can get a deal done with LOS it frees up a lot of cash to help in the A-dub and Q deals. Los needs to be done first IMO.

And now Dansby is under contract for 2009.

At what point do you move on?

The season ended two months ago. The first round of negotiations turned up nothing and Dansby was franchised.

This can't drag on for ever.

The Cards need to get the deal done and move on to other business.

To furthur alienate Boldin because he was behind Dansby on the priority list is flat out wrong.

 

[Evil Ash]

And now Dansby is under contract for 2009.

At what point do you move on?

The season ended two months ago. The first round of negotiations turned up nothing and Dansby was franchised.

This can't drag on for ever.

The Cards need to get the deal done and move on to other business.

To furthur alienate Boldin because he was behind Dansby on the priority list is flat out wrong.

In order to sign Boldin, Wilson, Dockett, etc to longer term deals - we need to sign Dansby to a long term deal to DECREASE his cap number. The rest of the deals would be INCREASING the cap and we don't have the cap space to do those deals currently. Hence why Dansby is a higher priority.

Yeah I know we could release Edge to make some cap room but it wouldn't be enough to do more than 1 deal unless they were all heavily backloaded.

 

[CaptTurbo]

This negotiation is going on three years now. Jesus.

 

[RolleRocks]

Yeah I know we could release Edge to make some cap room but it wouldn't be enough to do more than 1 deal unless they were all heavily backloaded.

Then cut Edge.

Tell Wilson and Boldin that maybe only one deal gets done this offseason.

First one to sign gets the new deal.

 

[WildBB]

At what point do you move on?

The season ended two months ago. The first round of negotiations turned up nothing and Dansby was franchised.

This can't drag on for ever.

The Cards need to get the deal done and move on to other business.

To furthur alienate Boldin because he was behind Dansby on the priority list is flat out wrong.

And it won't last for ever. Danby and his agent have until April 25 th to accept something. Otherwise it is time to move on and make arrangements for the following year. Which you will see on draft day to the tune of up to three LB's drafted. End of that story.

Assuming that they are not now in negotiations w/ Boldin and Wilson right now would be assuming wrong, IMO. And I don't think Dansby's negotiations are holding the FO hostage or stalling a deal with AB or AW.

 

[WildBB]

In order to sign Boldin, Wilson, Dockett, etc to longer term deals - we need to sign Dansby to a long term deal to DECREASE his cap number. The rest of the deals would be INCREASING the cap and we don't have the cap space to do those deals currently. Hence why Dansby is a higher priority.

Yeah I know we could release Edge to make some cap room but it wouldn't be enough to do more than 1 deal unless they were all heavily backloaded.

Graves has said the cap would not be a hinderance to the team renegotiating contracts this off season, if they feel they can get something done.

 

[john h]

Question to Joeschmo. With the NFLPA agreement coming to an end in 2010, how do you negotiate a long term agreement if you don't know what the rules will be after this year?

If I was a player/agent, the only thing I would look at is the guaranteed money.

Best point made all month long.

 

[lauraw]

What They Said About AW...WildBB, you are my friend...

 

[joeshmo]

In order to sign Boldin, Wilson, Dockett, etc to longer term deals - we need to sign Dansby to a long term deal to DECREASE his cap number. The rest of the deals would be INCREASING the cap and we don't have the cap space to do those deals currently. Hence why Dansby is a higher priority.

Yeah I know we could release Edge to make some cap room but it wouldn't be enough to do more than 1 deal unless they were all heavily backloaded.

Slightly true in that it should take that much more cap space to extend Boldin, Wilson, and so on.

What I mean by that is that Wilson already counts 5.66 mill against the cap. The first year of a new deal is always the cheapest against the cap, so in Wilsons case his cap number would probably decrease, we keep his cap charge the same this season then work from there, or he only counts an extra 1 or two more mill against the cap minimum if they want to front load it. Same principle applies for Boldin.

The issue is not cap space with Dansby, Wilson, or Boldin. That is easily done. The issue is how much gauranteed money do we want to shell out in one season. Thats a lot of money to shell out in one offseason that 95% of the league would cringe at.

 

[john h]

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Having been Cardinal fan for over 60 years I believe an extension when I see it and it is done. We may be the new Cardinals but when it comes to Mr. Bidwill and his money I just cannot get past our decades of history. We have taken some giant "baby steps" so far. Let me see a couple of years in a row of doing the right thing and I will be a bit more positive.

Dansby is an absolute must! Boldin is not and I do not know why Edge is still around.

 

[john h]

Question to Joeschmo. With the NFLPA agreement coming to an end in 2010, how do you negotiate a long term agreement if you don't know what the rules will be after this year?

If I was a player/agent, the only thing I would look at is the guaranteed money.

Very bright GM's have ways of getting things done one way or the other.

 

[cgolden]

To furthur alienate Boldin because he was behind Dansby on the priority list is flat out wrong.

what? He's alienating himself and the Cardinals are under zero obligation to even negotiate or even acknowledge his demands. He's behind Dansby and Wilson.

I think we all need to accept that Boldin will play this year under his current contract and his only out is if another team blows the Cardinals minds with a trade offer.

 

[Redheart]

Why is it that Graves' negotiations feel like a "Ground Hog Day" event?

 

[WisconsinCard]

what? He's alienating himself and the Cardinals are under zero obligation to even negotiate or even acknowledge his demands. He's behind Dansby and Wilson.

I think we all need to accept that Boldin will play this year under his current contract and his only out is if another team blows the Cardinals minds with a trade offer.

Even that doen't mean extension for Q right away. They would probably want to do a new contract with him, but hey he is a cheap keep for three more years with the f-tag involved.

 

[cgolden]

Even that doen't mean extension for Q right away. They would probably want to do a new contract with him, but hey he is a cheap keep for three more years with the f-tag involved.

Well true, I meant his only way out of Arizona is if the Cards get blown away.

I don't see any way they extend his contract this off season.

 

[WildBB]

Well true, I meant his only way out of Arizona is if the Cards get blown away.

I don't see any way they extend his contract this off season.

The FO may not be able to this off-season, but that doesn't mean that they don't want to. I think they really want to pay him what he's worth.

We don't know what was said between them in the last extension. Most of us assume the Cardinals wanted to do right and reward Anquan, and they did. But we don't really know if/what verbal assurances they gave him regarding future negotiations, how and when they would occur. Apparently they were given to him and never followed up sincerely or legitimately, thus the impasse that we see now. It takes two to tango. Sometimes it's too convenient for us fans to put all that on the player. I don't like what's happened, but I (nor any of us) were in the negotiations the last time.

All that said even with (some) verbal assurances from the FO, he wasn't held up at gunpoint to sign. What else can I say.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Update:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/03/20090403cards0404.html

 

[joeshmo]

Sounds like Dansby really cant wait to be a free agent during the uncapped year. Although a long term contract now tends to make a player change their tunes really fast. So we shall see but what I like most about the article is that Florio is dead on about the uncappd year and just how clueless the players are about it, and thought it was a good read even if it was from PFT.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/04/players-still-dont-understand-uncapped-year/

 

[WildBB]

Sounds like Dansby really cant wait to be a free agent during the uncapped year. Although a long term contract now tends to make a player change their tunes really fast. So we shall see but what I like most about the article is that Florio is dead on about the uncappd year and just how clueless the players are about it, and thought it was a good read even if it was from PFT.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/04/players-still-dont-understand-uncapped-year/

Good article. Yeah , with a work stoppage looming most will be looking at minimum instead of maximum caps. Dansby would be wise to go long term now. Either way the Cards are in the drivers seat. He has until April 25 to decide what he wants to do.

In our view, one of the first challenges for new NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith will be to find a way to ensure that players who might be clamoring for a Pacman-style money shower realize the truth about life without a spending maximum, or a spending minimum.

 

[Red Hawk]

Dansby fires agent.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/06/20090406dansby0407.html


Cardinals inside linebacker Karlos Dansby fired his agent, Kirk Wood, over the weekend, according to NFL sources, and it's unclear how that will affect negotiations of a multiyear contract for Dansby.

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