Cardinals | Team, Warner's agent disagree over bonuses

[moklerman]

There are a couple of things that I'm curious about. Did the contract read: 90 or 90.0 in regards to that particular milestone? That would be the only possible wiggle room that I could see for the agent to ask for the money.

Second, I know Warner doesn't need the money but it could have been a good opportunity for the Cards to give the money to one of his charities as a comprimise. Kind of a way to thank him without actually handing him more money.

Of course, $500,000 is is being talked about like it's no big thing. I feel funny commenting on a sum of money that's so foreign to my existance that it might as well be dinosaur eggs.

 

[BigRedMO]

Fans gripe about players that dont give it there all but then they are chintzy regarding the payoff for the players. In my opinion you cant advocate not giving Warner the money and then gripe when players arent willing to take one for the team. Not giving Warner the money encourages players to take plays off and to not give it their all if it risks serious injury or just isnt good for them. After Warner's elbow injury he could of sat out the rest of the season had he chosen to do so.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

reports Arizona Cardinals QB Kurt Warner's agent would like the Cardinals to award a $500,000 bonus that Warner just missed statistically in the 2007 season.

Warners agent is an idiot to even ask for it.

If this was Leinart I might do it to keep the (hopefully) future of the franchise happy and productive.

The dude made quite a bit of money. I'm not really feeling for him. Nobody told him to think Brenda's vagina was a clown car.

What ever I find this completely disgusting (no, not the joke) that Warner's agent would bring this up and allow it to go into the press.

My only hope is Bidwill/Graves stand firm and tell Warner and his agent to go have a catch in traffic.

Plus in Chistianity the belief is to have as many kids as you can, and that if the man wants a child the woman has no place to say anything about it.
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Wow. Just, wow.

What?

I specifically said those are not my views. Someone asked about. I personally don't agree with the stereotype, or the whole no choice on the kids thing. So don't go pointing fingers at me. If you think it is bull go ask some religious people. That will shock you as much as it had/ and still does shock me.

Edit: Whoops. Sorry moklerman I realize you are just in awe of the whole subject. Agreed this has gotten out of hand at points.

But I do stand by my statement about putting this out in public. For a guy like Warner to allow it to got public is a shock. This could have been handled within the organization without it going public. It is a stupid question to ask sure, but then to make it public is another thing.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't think Warner should get it, even though it isn't unprecendented for teams to reward players with a bonus that isn't written into their contract.

Your point of view seems very hypocritical to me though.
I don't even know where to start with this statement. Are you comparing Leinart to Brady? Bledsoe's last year as a starter vs. Warner's year last year? Warner put up 28 TD's in an abbreviated fashion. Bledsoe's best year he only put up 28 in 16 games. I'm not sure how the Patriots really felt either. It's not like Brady beat out Bledsoe initially. He went in when Bledsoe had a punctured lung or stomach or whatever. It's not like the Patriots were in love with Brady. Didn't draft him high, didn't start him over a very mediocre Bledsoe, etc. Sure, they caught lightning in a bottle but it's not like they were geniuses and could see something that no one else did.

Again, I'm not arguing that Warner should get the bonus. Just that your sentiment is hypocritical to me. I wouldn't give it to Warner and I wouldn't give it to Leinart. I wouldn't mention either of their loved one's because an agent asked for more money.

I guess your missing my point. I'm saying I am all for anything that makes the Cardinals better going forward. My point is there is nothing to gain by breaking this precedent for Warner. There might have been if it was Leinart (and obviously only if he had shown more then he has currently shown) as keeping young stud QB's happy is important enough to a) spend 500K and b) spend the next ten years explaining why its different in the Leinart scenario then in another situation.

Notice i said might. Obviously i would only even consider it if Leinart had taken us to the playoffs and shown unequivically he is the future of the team. Thats a pretty big assumption at this point and I am one of Leinart's biggest backers.

Oh and I laughed at the clown comment. Not write it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Fans gripe about players that dont give it there all but then they are chintzy regarding the payoff for the players. In my opinion you cant advocate not giving Warner the money and then gripe when players arent willing to take one for the team. Not giving Warner the money encourages players to take plays off and to not give it their all if it risks serious injury or just isnt good for them. After Warner's elbow injury he could of sat out the rest of the season had he chosen to do so.

It is there job to take one for the team.

Its Warner's job to play if he can. There is no clause that says if you play injured you get more money. Thus the shock in the media, and amongst fans when he actually continued to play injured when he didn't have to.

 

[Linderbee]

I thought Catholic and Mormon were the breeders?

Correct. The Protestant religions (that I'm aware of) don't focus on populating the Earth like Mormons & Catholics do.

Well, to be more exact, Mormons focus on populating the Earth, strict Catholics don't believe in birth control.

 

[ajcardfan]

To me Kurt Warner is now looking for free hand outs.

Hey, I need some damn money where is my free handout ?

Complete B.S.

I doubt that. Warner is set for life if the Cardinals don't pay him even one more penny.

The agent however, he gets a cut of whatever Kurt gets. I bet that's the REAL motivation.

 

[cardsfanmd]

what does his christianity have to do with anything? he was saying dont have 5,000 kids and you wont worry about 500k, its a non issue.

I was saying that he is a pretty spiritual guy, and I doubt he would appreciate jokes involving his wife's vagina.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I really dont get why everyone is hating on Kurt for this. In a business, you are supposed to try and get all the money you can. It's not like he demanded it or said he wouldn't finish his contract if he didn't get it. You cant fault the guy for trying. As far as the agent goes, his sole responsibilty is to get his clients as much money as possible.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I really dont get why everyone is hating on Kurt for this. In a business, you are supposed to try and get all the money you can. It's not like he demanded it or said he wouldn't finish his contract if he didn't get it. You cant fault the guy for trying. As far as the agent goes, his sole responsibilty is to get his clients as much money as possible.

I could tell the president I would like 1 million dollars too but it would be pretty stupid to do so, and then get the press involved.

I am not as shocked about the request as I am that it was made public.

Its just dumb is all.

 

[BigRedMO]

It is there job to take one for the team.

Its Warner's job to play if he can. There is no clause that says if you play injured you get more money. Thus the shock in the media, and amongst fans when he actually continued to play injured when he didn't have to.

And how many of them dont play hard all the time now(Moss, Owens, etc). You must realize that a person can work just hard enough not to be fired or he can bust his tail for the employer. I have had employers who made me feel like we were a team and I have had employers who made me feel like an employee. I tried harder for the the employer who made me like we were a team. It is just human nature. If the object is to create a WE environment the team pays. If it is a ME environment they want they dont pay. Players have options and they note good treatment and bad treatment. It gets around the league. Warner maybe has fewer options. However, it is how those former stars known as good guys are treated that really gets noted. If they are treated right it is because it is the right thing to do instead of the self interest to make sure a future star is happy so that he wants to play there. So what perecentage of total payroll is $500,000? Well worth the money to create a better work environment.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Not saying they should or shouldn't give it to him, but an extra 500,000 to Kurt would be better spent than what they gave Shipp or Holt this year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Not saying they should or shouldn't give it to him, but an extra 500,000 to Kurt would be better spent than what they gave Shipp or Holt this year.

Agreed.

Heck I would be happier if Kurt's agent requested that 500k be taken from Holt and given to him. j/k