Cardinals trade pick #23 for Hollywood Brown

[dreamcastrocks]

I can't find split stats that show left or right but it does appear to me especially in the last game that he was throwing left way more than right. Which is why that first 3rd and 2 play where he never even looked left is so weird

Definitely last game. Hollywood caught 13 balls from the left.

He started throwing much more to the left after Green got injured...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

True but last year when DHop was out and Kirk was in the same basic situation, Kirk continued to play the slot because he wasn't able to play outside, and Kirk's numbers weren't as good as Brown's are now.

Kirk is having a great year, Brown is having a very good year(not enough TD's to be great) in a situation where the only other productive receiver is a UDFA in Dortch.

The problem again is all the missed draft picks that forced us to trade for Brown. He's a very good player, IMO he's better so far than Kirk was in this offense. But we're also seeing that if/when D Hop is gone, we're probably going to have to draft or trade for more WR help because Brown does not have the same gravity D Hop does

As good as Brown has already been, I think when DHop comes back he will be even better, because they can move him all over the field.

 

[Russ Smith]

As good as Brown has already been, I think when DHop comes back he will be even better, because they can move him all over the field.

I think his volume will go down but yes he'll be more lethal.

That one last week the deep shot was so close. I still found it odd he didn't lay out for it but I guess he figured run through it full speed is better than dive.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think his volume will go down but yes he'll be more lethal.

That one last week the deep shot was so close. I still found it odd he didn't lay out for it but I guess he figured run through it full speed is better than dive.

Linda and I talked about it. Laying out like that at the speed he was going is dangerous. Even if he did lay out, I don't think he catches it. Kyler missed him by that much.

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[TRW]

Can they send him downfield more than once or twice a game? Can they send ANYONE past 5 yards more than a few times a game? Can they? Can they?

I'm sure that some Sir Statsalot will come up with some graph that shows they do. But I don't see much past 5-10 yards in the games.

 

[cardpa]

He's better so far than he was in Baltimore because he still doesn't have an official drop. He had 3 drops in one half in a game in Baltimore last year. I don't think he's a great player he's certainly not a #1 wr but I do think he's better than Kirk.

The real problem right now is Green did nothing and is now hurt and Rondale hasn't even played because he's hurt so our 2nd best WR is Dortch.

I do agree his targets will fall off when D Hop is back. I mentioned it the other day D Hop always lines up on the left, Hollywood has been mostly on the left so far so I assume he will switch to the right. I hope that translates into us being able to attack both sides of the field, so far it seems like most of our offense is throwing left or middle, we got nothing right except when Dortch is over there.

So this begs the question was he worth trading our first round draft pick for him? Could that draft pick have been better spent on a CB or a true edge player? Was the trade made to satiate Murray because he wanted him here?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Can they send him downfield more than once or twice a game? Can they send ANYONE past 5 yards more than a few times a game? Can they? Can they?

I'm sure that some Sir Statsalot will come up with some graph that shows they do. But I don't see much past 5-10 yards in the games.

I think they only did twice last game. Kyler loves to fling it and I think he would if he were playing better/line was blocking better. Especially at RT.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So this begs the question was he worth trading our first round draft pick for him? Could that draft pick have been better spent on a CB or a true edge player? Was the trade made to satiate Murray because he wanted him here?

Probably. Would the pick had played if we did draft him? There is plenty of evidence that he wouldn't.

 

[juza76]

I hope he can make some big plays in the next games cause we are one of worse nfl teams in big plays

 

[juza76]

I think they only did twice last game. Kyler loves to fling it and I think he would if he were playing better/line was blocking better. Especially at RT.

Josh Jones apparently made some improvements at left tackle but can't replace Beachum who is actually with Pugh the weakest piece of the line

 

[WakeForestCard]

So this begs the question was he worth trading our first round draft pick for him? Could that draft pick have been better spent on a CB or a true edge player? Was the trade made to satiate Murray because he wanted him here?

To be fair, the question would be is that potential draft pick (on a CB or true edge) better than the Brown / Myjai Sanders combo. Since we did get a 3rd back from the Ravens as well.

Unfortunately, we probably will never know about Sanders since they refuse to put him on the field.

 

[kerouac9]

Is he always throwing to the left because his trusted receiver(s) are to the left? Most of Ertz's catches seem to be to the right...

Football Outsiders had Kyler as the 22nd-best QB last week. Here was their comment:

Murray led the league with a dozen failed completions. He was the week's best passer on throws to his left (20-of-25 for 198 yards), but the worst on throws to his right (12-of-26 for 77 yards).

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Football Outsiders had Kyler as the 22nd-best QB last week. Here was their comment:

Not sure why this is directed at me. I don't think he had a good day at all last week.

 

[Russ Smith]

Can they send him downfield more than once or twice a game? Can they send ANYONE past 5 yards more than a few times a game? Can they? Can they?

I'm sure that some Sir Statsalot will come up with some graph that shows they do. But I don't see much past 5-10 yards in the games.

We really haven't other than a couple of times and maybe we don't trust the OL I don't know or in the first 2 games they played 2 high safety the whole game. With the Rams they played quite a bit of safety over the top to help the young CB's.

But we had it perfect Kyler just barely overthrew it

 

[Russ Smith]

So this begs the question was he worth trading our first round draft pick for him? Could that draft pick have been better spent on a CB or a true edge player? Was the trade made to satiate Murray because he wanted him here?

Imagine the offense right now without him? Who would be our Wr remember we knew about D Hops' suspension at least the team did.

I'm fine with that trade if we don't make that trade you could get Elam for a future CB, or Linderbaum or Jermaine Johnson but I think they knew they needed the Wr help

 

[Russ Smith]

I will say this. If D Hop wasn't suspended I would think we probably wind up making the deal anyways on draft day. Drake London was already gone and all the other rookie Wr's who've made any impact at all were off the board by 23. So we would have had to trade up to get a WR.

So instead we got Hollywood and a pick for our pick but we're going to have to pay him a ton of money.

 

[kerouac9]

Not sure why this is directed at me. I don't think he had a good day at all last week.

Because it mentions that Kyler threw basically equally to either side of the field.

 

[kerouac9]

Imagine the offense right now without him? Who would be our Wr remember we knew about D Hops' suspension at least the team did.

I'm fine with that trade if we don't make that trade you could get Elam for a future CB, or Linderbaum or Jermaine Johnson but I think they knew they needed the Wr help

Imagine! We might not have scored any TDs on Sunday.

Greg Dortch can catch a bunch of little outs.

 

[Russ Smith]

Imagine! We might not have scored any TDs on Sunday.

Greg Dortch can catch a bunch of little outs.

We might be close to as bad as the Josh Rosen as starting QB year.

I'd rather have Drake London or Garrett Wilson on a rookie contract but both were gone before we picked so they wouldn't have been there and I wouldn't have traded up to get them the Hollywood deal was better.

 

[FB94]

While we are all frustrated with the offense, I will try to reserve judgement until I see Hop, Brown, Moore and Whoever #4 WR is play 2-3 games together. I would take Wesley and Dortch over Green all day.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We might be close to as bad as the Josh Rosen as starting QB year.

I'd rather have Drake London or Garrett Wilson on a rookie contract but both were gone before we picked so they wouldn't have been there and I wouldn't have traded up to get them the Hollywood deal was better.

A big balls move would have been to trade up for one of those guys...

 

[Russ Smith]

A big balls move would have been to trade up for one of those guys...

But that would have cost us a player or a pick.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

A big balls move would have been to trade up for one of those guys...

You trust Keim's ability to draft a WR? I sure as hell don't. Whichever he would have chosen would have been the wrong one.

 

[Garthshort]

At least a one and a two (maybe next year).

 

[QuebecCard]

Football Outsiders had Kyler as the 22nd-best QB last week. Here was their comment:

In other words, taking on JALEN wasn't a good plan.

Who would have thought?