Cards cut Hoyer.

[Duckjake]

The always unreliable Jason La Canfora [the guy who swore Geno Smith would be drafted in the top ten] claims 3 or 4 teams are interested.

I sort of believe him and suspect he won't be unemployed for long. He just won't be making $2-million.

I agree. After all Josh McCown has hung on in the NFL for 10 years.

Maybe the Cards needed room to bring back Matt Leinart.

 

[Totally_Red]

I agree. After all Josh McCown has hung on in the NFL for 10 years.

Maybe the Cards needed room to bring back Matt Leinart.

Matt Leinart is no Karlos Dansby.

 

[Duckjake]

Matt Leinart is no Karlos Dansby.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Leinart is about 25lbs too light to play LB.

 

[wa52lz]

He may have asked to be released.
They may have wanted to free up salary cap space to offset Karlos Dansby or make a run at Dwight Freeney.
They may like Ryan Lindley.
Who knows at this point?

Im saying here comes Freeney!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Damn now I wish we would have drafted a Matt Barkley, got Matt Scott as UDFA, or Tyler Wilson. DOnt want anything to do with Lindley.

Maybe they saw something they liked?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Maybe they saw something they liked?

His price tag.

 

[cardncubfan]

His price tag.

5/5

 

[Buckybird]

Surprised. Thought Hoyer looked a lot better than Lindley.

Both are terrible QBs imo

Why they tendered this guy a 2nd rounder is astonishing

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Both are terrible QBs imo

Why they tendered this guy a 2nd rounder is astonishing

huh? the only person who should question that tender is Hoyer. They paid him nothing and kept an asset when we had no idea what the QB future held. Now hes gone and its like it never happened to everyone outside of the Hoyer family.

This was actually a very smart move by Keim and FO. The only thing astonishing is that this is our Cardinals making smart moves consistently.

 

[TRW]

Both are terrible QBs imo

Why they tendered this guy a 2nd rounder is astonishing

Agree with you Bucky...one of the few questionable decisions this offseason to me. But, no loss I guess if none of the $2 mil was guaranteed or paid to him.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Agree with you Bucky...one of the few questionable decisions this offseason to me. But, no loss I guess if none of the $2 mil was guaranteed or paid to him.

Please enlighten me on why this was a questionable decision? Are you guys sure you know how RFA tenders work, specifically in this scenario?

I wish we would have drafted a 3rd QB if we didnt plan on keeping Hoyer but tendering Hoyer was unequivocally the right move at the time. When you don't know if you are getting Palmer, it makes sense to hedge your bets especially when you are a new HC and Hoyer was arguably the best QB remaining on the team.

It's okay to have opinions but you are gonna have to clarify them if they make no sense.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You see tendering someone at the 2nd round level it doesn't mean you think they area 2nd round talent, it means you are going to make a team give up a 2nd round pick to get him. It's like playing poker.

If they tendered him as a 7th rounder, a team may have signed him which would have been bad pre Carson Palmer. At that point the team would have rather kept Hoyer then cut him loose for a 7th rounder. In hindsight things are different but had we not traded for Palmer, you better damn well believe the team would have paid him the 2m to be the backup.

Again this was a smart move. And now that they have Palmer it cost them nothing. Like I said the only ones who should be questioning this is the Hoyer family and his agent.

 

[Duckjake]

You see tendering someone at the 2nd round level it doesn't mean you think they area 2nd round talent, it means you are going to make a team give up a 2nd round pick to get him. It's like playing poker.

If they tendered him as a 7th rounder, a team may have signed him which would have been bad pre Carson Palmer. At that point the team would have rather kept Hoyer then cut him loose for a 7th rounder. In hindsight things are different but had we not traded for Palmer, you better damn well believe the team would have paid him the 2m to be the backup.

Again this was a smart move. And now that they have Palmer it cost them nothing. Like I said the only ones who should be questioning this is the Hoyer family and his agent.

Too true. It was just the Cards purchasing an insurance policy with a fully refundable premium.

Just makes you shake your head though that every QB brought in by the greatest coach in Cardinal history except Lindley has been cut. Not traded. Not retired. Not lost to another team via free agency. Just shown the door.

Brian St.Pierre, DeWreck Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, and Brian Hoyer. 6 QBs signed and released in only three seasons 5 of them starters at one time or another. If you add in Matt Leinart that's 6 QBs the Cards have let go in the last 3 years who had started games for them.

You gotta love Cardinal football.

 

[TRW]

Please enlighten me on why this was a questionable decision? Are you guys sure you know how RFA tenders work, specifically in this scenario?

I wish we would have drafted a 3rd QB if we didnt plan on keeping Hoyer but tendering Hoyer was unequivocally the right move at the time. When you don't know if you are getting Palmer, it makes sense to hedge your bets especially when you are a new HC and Hoyer was arguably the best QB remaining on the team.

It's okay to have opinions but you are gonna have to clarify them if they make no sense.

Hoyer is, simply put, a terrible bet to "hedge" anything on, IMO. That's all. Being arguably the best QB remaining on the team means nothing, again IMO.

But, since it cost nothing to keep nothing for a while it is really a moot point. Guess we all see things a little differently.

My take on any QB that took a snap last season should not be on the team this upcoming season. Last year was the most horrible QB play I have seen on any level in a long, long time.

You and Jake have differing views and that's what makes it all fun.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The way the off season has been going I was under the assumption that he was worth a late round pick. Hopefully we go shopping during camp and pick up someone besides Lindley who is just terrible.

 

[Cardiac]

I went on record saying that Hoyer wasn't going to get us much if anything via trade. Pats cut him and the Steelers who were rumored to like him also cut him. I have no problem with the Cards tendering him with 2nd rd value, especially since they have now cut him and aren't paying him 2 mil. A long shot bet that ultimately didn't cost them anything.

All this Lindley hate needs to be calmed down some IMWO. I rookie 6th rd pick thrust into a horrible situation does not define what Lindley can become. Yes he sucked but expecting much more of him was unrealistic.

I think he has earned a chance to have a 2nd training camp and wouldn't be shocked if he improves. I would be pleasantly suprised if he ever gets a start in the NFL again but his future isn't written in stone.

 

[NJCardFan]

The odd thing is why have they kept Lindley who was beyond horrible last season while cutting Kolb, Skelton, and Hoyer who were all better?

Kolb was a salary cap liability who could never stay healthy while Skelton was badly exposed and shown that he wasn't as good as some may have thought.

 

[Duckjake]

Kolb was a salary cap liability who could never stay healthy while Skelton was badly exposed and shown that he wasn't as good as some may have thought.

More all about pay and less about play. When you operate that way you go 5-11 every year.

 

[Garthshort]

I'm pretty sure we cut Hoyer early, knowing that we we're not going to keep him as our third QB, so that he could hook on with another team. Well as we know the Browns wanted him, and now with David Garrard retiring, I'm reading that the Jets are looking for a vet QB. And are finding that the pickings are slim. Would that have meant a bidding war with a 6th or 7th round pick involved? Or, in the long run, does it benefit the team as FA's see Arizona as a destination, because they treat their players fairly?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Report: Jets “really wanted” Brian Hoyer

Grossi reports that the Jets “really wanted” to sign Brian Hoyer after Hoyer was released by the Cardinals. They weren’t able to close a deal, though, and Hoyer agreed to terms with the Browns on a two-year deal.

 

[machgman]

Hoyer did look better than Lindley, but not two million better.

Besides, it looks like Keim wants to see if Lindley can produce a miracle for BA by suddenly producing accurate passes better than his college career average of 55%. Sure Lindley throws a beautiful pass that has a little pop when it gets there. Unfortunately when it gets there, it usually gets there to a defensive player.

BA is NOT going to make the same stupid and idiotic mistake that Whisenhunt did when Whisenhunt thought that a beautifully passed football equaled accuracy and that a QB with a college career completion average of 55% could magically morph into a NFL passer with a completion average over 62% just because he was in your stilted QB development program that ruined Leinart, Hall, and Skelton.

I hear Lindley seems to be a nice guy, but unless he can show significant and marked improvement on his accuracy AND decision making, Lindley will soon hear from the Turk and end up following Hoyer out the door.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm extremely vague on how comp picks work, but would cutting a player like Hoyer potentially result in receiving one since another team has picked him up?

I've always hated comp picks because the Cardinals seemingly never get any.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm extremely vague on how comp picks work, but would cutting a player like Hoyer potentially result in receiving one since another team has picked him up?

I've always hated comp picks because the Cardinals seemingly never get any.

Nope. Because he's a released player.

The Hoyer choice really doesn't have as much to do with Lindley as it does to do with Carson Palmer. Palmer is going to have to learn an entirely new offense, and getting that on point in time for Week 1 requires reps.

The new structure of OTAs makes it really difficult to get 3 QBs quality reps and coaching. Stanton got extra reps last season because Andrew Luck couldn't attend minicamps because of Stanford's graduation date. This year, we have a full complement of camp arms.

As I've said many times, if you're on your third QB, any team in the NFL is screwed. You can stash someone there for a year or maybe two on the way to developing him into a backup, but when Stanton signed, and the Cards traded for Palmer, Hoyer was done.

 

[Totally_Red]

Nope. Because he's a released player.

The Hoyer choice really doesn't have as much to do with Lindley as it does to do with Carson Palmer. Palmer is going to have to learn an entirely new offense, and getting that on point in time for Week 1 requires reps.

The new structure of OTAs makes it really difficult to get 3 QBs quality reps and coaching. Stanton got extra reps last season because Andrew Luck couldn't attend minicamps because of Stanford's graduation date. This year, we have a full complement of camp arms.

As I've said many times, if you're on your third QB, any team in the NFL is screwed. You can stash someone there for a year or maybe two on the way to developing him into a backup, but when Stanton signed, and the Cards traded for Palmer, Hoyer was done.

Unless you're the 1966 Baltimore Colts who rode halfback turned emergency QB Tom Matte to success in the NFL Playoff game against Dallas after the Unitas & Gary Cuozzo got hurt.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1078093/index.htm

 

[BigRedRage]

ugh, i cant wait for football season.