Cards expected to move on from Mathieu

[WildBB]

If they cut TM his cap hit goes from $14m to $28m according to spotrac.com. I assume if they designate post June 1 his cap hit is still $14m this and next year?

That is not a way to run a franchise. All parties need to sit down and seriously figure this out.

Wills seems to want to keep him around as well.

 

[Dan H]

When the extension was signed, wasn't it pretty much recognized that the roster bonus was intentional to get both sides back to the table or fish and cut bait?

I don't begrudge Honey Badger being unwilling to renegotiate if that's the case, and I hope he's able to continue his career if the team moves on.

 

[football karma]

Ty has a 2018 cap hit of $14mm

If they cut him, they save $14m, but $9.2 or so of old signing bonus hits the cap -- for net cap savings in 2018 of $4.8 million.

The real issue on Tys contract is that if they stay with the contract for 2018, big chunks of it in 19, 20 and 21 become fully guaranteed. Cut Ty next year at this time-- the cap hit would be $30 million or so

 

[Buckybird]

When Keim extended him, there was a lot of agreement within the org. and in the media/fandom to do so. These things don't happen in a vacuum. Funny fickle fans forget how much they wanted this a done deal at the time it was NEGOTIATED.

Sure peeps wanted the deal done. The point you’re missing is he was extended months AFTER he tore his knee up to huge $$$. Who the hell does that? Name another player that’s been given that gratitude? It’s a dumb move for Keim & Big Red.

 

[WildBB]

Sure peeps wanted the deal done. The point you’re missing is he was extended months AFTER he tore his knee up to huge $$$. Who the hell does that? Name another player that’s been given that gratitude? It’s a dumb move for Keim & Big Red.

Yes dumb move. They were coming off of the 13-3 season were they not? Expectations were sky high.

 

[Buckybird]

Yes dumb move. They were coming off of the 13-3 season were they not? Expectations were sky high.

Absolutely Expectations were sky lights, but you don’t give $40 mil guaranteed to anyone coming off major knee injury.

Again, name 1 single guy who has tore up his knee then been rewarded like that? I’m dying to hear your response.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Absolutely Expectations were sky lights, but you don’t give $40 mil guaranteed to anyone coming off major knee injury.

Again, name 1 single guy who has tore up his knee then been rewarded like that? I’m dying to hear your response.

The contract I can remember that the Cardinals did with one of their players on the roster which was foolhardy was when they gave Plummer that huge contract but that still made more sense than the Mathieu one... you would think after such an injury, it would have been the time to pounce and get a contract less affecting the cap but noooo lol

 

[Solar7]

The contract I can remember that the Cardinals did with one of their players on the roster which was foolhardy was when they gave Plummer that huge contract but that still made more sense than the Mathieu one... you would think after such an injury, it would have been the time to pounce and get a contract less affecting the cap but noooo lol

The ultimate issue was whether or not to pay him as a corner or safety. His agent did a good job of working to set the number as a CB and then coming down from that.

 

[vince56]

This news is good b/c it means they're negotiating. Most likely they've reached a snag on numbers, and the Cardinals brass may have leaked this to LaCanfora to put public pressure on TM's agent. It's a pretty obvious negotiating tactic. TM can claim he knows nothing, and is politely pointing the finger back at the team by saying someone needs to call him. Simple reaction to keep engaged in the public conversation.

We are at the 11th hour however with his bonus coming due. I'm expecting he'll renegotiate and still be here, but who knows for sure.

 

[oaken1]

This news is good b/c it means they're negotiating. Most likely they've reached a snag on numbers, and the Cardinals brass may have leaked this to LaCanfora to put public pressure on TM's agent. It's a pretty obvious negotiating tactic. TM can claim he knows nothing, and is politely pointing the finger back at the team by saying someone needs to call him. Simple reaction to keep engaged in the public conversation.

We are at the 11th hour however with his bonus coming due. I'm expecting he'll renegotiate and still be here, but who knows for sure.

I agree... and the obvious solution is to convert some of those guarantees into incentives. If the kid is certain he can still perform, then he can still earn his money... but if another knee goes the team has protection, all while not paying him stacks...
as much as I would love to get the kid cheap,... I do think he is still worth $8mil a year based on last seasons production... but that is also based on his knowledge and performance within Betchers defense too..... I am hoping Wilkes and his new DC have watched tons of tape on Badger and already know exactly how they want to use him,...and whether or not Baker can play that role as well.

 

[WildBB]

Absolutely Expectations were sky lights, but you don’t give $40 mil guaranteed to anyone coming off major knee injury.

Again, name 1 single guy who has tore up his knee then been rewarded like that? I’m dying to hear your response.

Like I said, dumb move. But it was made by the entire organization. It was a calculated risk that had little reward. The only thing I can factor in, is that they were happy with the make up of the team coming off a SB contending season and wanted to control the contract stipulations rather then letting the player have all the leverage after playing out the initial deal. They had the cap space and took the risk, rather than using it to sign another FA with it. Now it comes to a head. They have an out, they negotiated.

Also something to consider is that they had just been burned by Dansby playing out his rookie deal, having to franchise him for two consecutive years. They wanted to avoid that. Pitt is in a similar situation right now with Bell, who has had his injuries as well. They've had to jettison some players to account for him.
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[RugbyMuffin]

Absolutely Expectations were sky lights, but you don’t give $40 mil guaranteed to anyone coming off major knee injury.

Again, name 1 single guy who has tore up his knee then been rewarded like that? I’m dying to hear your response.

Thomas Davis on the Panthers ?

But, you are right there are not many. That was a catch-22 situation for the Cardinals, and while I cannot see anyway that Mathieu could play like the 5th best defensive back in the league next year, one has to think if Wilks thinks he can turn him around, why would you question it ?

Steve Wilks has done very will with defensive backs throughout his career.

 

[kerouac9]

Thomas Davis on the Panthers ?

But, you are right there are not many. That was a catch-22 situation for the Cardinals, and while I cannot see anyway that Mathieu could play like the 5th best defensive back in the league next year, one has to think if Wilks thinks he can turn him around, why would you question it ?

Steve Wilks has done very will with defensive backs throughout his career.

He definitely got the most out of Antoine Cason.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Seriously. Imagine if you got laid off at work and thousands of people you'd never met went out of their way to tell you that you were a bum and that you got paid too much for the amount of money the company offered to pay you.

Sports are the one rare instance where people seem to think you should walk in and offer to take less money for the good of the company. Imagine it. "Solar, we're happy to bring you on board for $75,000." Should I reply, "Ah, nah, that isn't fair to you guys... let's cut this down to $45,000 so our department can hire someone else too?"

Most athletes cry alligator tears when they think they are out-performing their current contract, But when they are obviously UNDER-playing their contract, a pay-cut is out of the question.

Double standard.

 

[Buckybird]

Thomas Davis on the Panthers ?

But, you are right there are not many. That was a catch-22 situation for the Cardinals, and while I cannot see anyway that Mathieu could play like the 5th best defensive back in the league next year, one has to think if Wilks thinks he can turn him around, why would you question it ?

Steve Wilks has done very will with defensive backs throughout his career.

I’m pretty sure his contract extension was 2 years after tearing up his knee, not 3 months like the Badgers. I think lol

 

[Solar7]

Most athletes cry alligator tears when they think they are out-performing their current contract, But when they are obviously UNDER-playing their contract, a pay-cut is out of the question.

Double standard.

That's most of us, on a given day.

But my point was more based upon the idea of "good riddance" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out." It's why players come to dislike fans. Tyrann has been a pretty model citizen for us. It's not his fault he was hurt. If a guy publicly gives you a reason to hate him, more power to you, but bemoaning someone not wanting to take a pay cut when they've been a hard worker otherwise is kinda crappy.

 

[oaken1]

That's most of us, on a given day.

But my point was more based upon the idea of "good riddance" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out." It's why players come to dislike fans. Tyrann has been a pretty model citizen for us. It's not his fault he was hurt. If a guy publicly gives you a reason to hate him, more power to you, but bemoaning someone not wanting to take a pay cut when they've been a hard worker otherwise is kinda crappy.

lol... I almost always side with the team.

however, if SK would have offered my old chubby ass that contract to come and play safety I would have signed it before it hit the table... cant blame the kid for signing it

then he has had all those dreams about these fat checks he is gonna be getting over the next couple seasons.... and now they want to take it away and it hurts his feelings...I get it.


but they signed him early,...paid him early when they didnt have to. Everyone in the organization likes the kid and it shows. Now he has an opportunity to show that he likes them back

 

[JeffGollin]

Re: Hate for Tyrann:
What I hate is enduring all the typical personnel mistakes teams typically make over a period of years to get a player who's a legitimate baller - only to give away all that talent for practically nothing.

 

[Wildfire]

KI

Re: Hate for Tyrann:
What I hate is enduring all the typical personnel mistakes teams typically make over a period of years to get a player who's a legitimate baller - only to give away all that talent for practically nothing.

+1

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

That's most of us, on a given day.

But my point was more based upon the idea of "good riddance" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out." It's why players come to dislike fans. Tyrann has been a pretty model citizen for us. It's not his fault he was hurt. If a guy publicly gives you a reason to hate him, more power to you, but bemoaning someone not wanting to take a pay cut when they've been a hard worker otherwise is kinda crappy.

How many of us have real life experience, with being grossly over-paid... and falling far short of your projected goals, then being asked to take a pay-cut, or get the axe?

"Sorry Sir, I know I missed my projected sales by 80%... But no way in hell am I taking a pay-cut....When they see how good I was years ago....The companies will be lining up to over-pay me, most will disregard how terribly average I was the last few years!"

This happens in sports all the time... Real life? Probably not so much.

 

[Solar7]

How many of us have real life experience, with being grossly over-paid... and falling far short of your projected goals, then being asked to take a pay-cut, or get the axe?

"Sorry Sir, I know I missed my projected sales by 80%... But no way in hell am I taking a pay-cut....When they see how good I was years ago....The companies will be lining up to over-pay me, most will disregard how terribly average I was the last few years!"

This happens in sports all the time... Real life? Probably not so much.

Again, you're not going to have people tweeting at you that you missed your sales quota, or that you're a bum, and "good riddance." Especially if you missed your sales quota because you broke your hands and had to use voice to text to use a computer most of the year.

 

[oaken1]

Again, you're not going to have people tweeting at you that you missed your sales quota, or that you're a bum, and "good riddance." Especially if you missed your sales quota because you broke your hands and had to use voice to text to use a computer most of the year.

having a public life was his choice. It comes with the big checks.

 

[overseascardfan]

I don’t blame Matthieu or players in general for trying to get as much as they can and I’m sure he understands the business enough to know ARZ may move on from him because they feel the money can be better spent elsewhere and that he probably won’t get his current contract money anywhere else. So I think ARZ releases him and if he can’t get similar money anywhere else he’ll come back. SK is going to let him see what his true market value is so he can’t complain.

 

[Solar7]

having a public life was his choice. It comes with the big checks.

It's still why players hate fans. Not all fans, but plenty.