Cards face daunting task of containing Vick

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Cards face daunting task of containing Vick
By Darren Urban, Tribune
The Cardinals call them, simply enough, The Michael Vick Rules. Follow them, and hopefully Vick, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback whom the Cards must contain Sunday, won’t shred their defense.

"You better be ready to play," linebacker James Darling said. "If not, he’ll embarrass you." No one on the Cardinals will talk about the specifics of such a defense, for obvious reasons. But coach Dennis Green said the plan is a dramatic departure from what Arizona has already been doing. Green did say the Cardinals will not employ a spy on Vick because the Cardinals do not have anyone fast enough to fulfill such a role. Really, though, no team would.

"If you put him in a 6-by-6 room with 11 guys, it’d take them an hour to touch him," Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre once said of Vick. "He’s the closest thing to Barry Sanders that anyone has seen," Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson said, and it’s no coincidence that the last player Green employed special defensive "rules" for was Sanders, the Hall of Fame Detroit Lions running back.

Vick completed 14-of-19 passes for 179 yards and a touchdown last week in a 34-17 win against the St. Louis Rams to raise the Falcons’ record to 2-0. His arm is strong enough to throw the ball anywhere, even if Vick is on the move. It was his running, though, that gave the Rams fits. Vick rushed 12 times, most of them on pass plays gone awry, for 109 yards. His ability to get up the field and use his speed to run for big chunks of yardage could be particularly painful if the Cards played their typical defense, which is based on getting up the field and penetrating the offensive backfield.

Green said it would hurt the Cards if an end like Bertrand Berry made a speed rush around a tackle, for example, because Vick can just step up and take off. Berry would then be out of the play as Vick sprinted downfield.

"You have to be a realist," Berry said. "Michael Vick is not the average quarterback. He’s not an average football player. If you try to go in with the same rules and techniques, you are going to get beat real quick. This league is all about adjustments."

There was a fear of how Vick would work in first-year coach Jim Mora’s offense. Mora said the first thing he was told when he got to Atlanta was that he must protect Vick, who broke his leg during a 2003 preseason game and sat out most of the year.

But when Vick didn’t play much, the story ballooned locally and nationally that Vick wasn’t going to be prepared for the regular season. Then Vick ran just six times (for 10 yards) in the opener and was sacked four times as Atlanta barely beat San Francisco.

Mora gave Vick more freedom last week, and it changed the complexion of the Falcons.

Mora, it seemed, was the only one who could slow Vick down.

"If something breaks down, he can go create a great play on his own, much like a Tiger Woods can with a golf shot or a Michael Jordan used to be able to do driving down the lane when it just looked like there was nothing there," Mora said. "At the same time, you don’t want him to always be looking to do something on his own, because you want him to count on his teammates. I think Mike has really learned to walk that line."

The Falcons stumbled to a miserable 5-11 record last season, but were 3-1 when Vick returned to start. Since the beginning of the 2002 season, the Falcons are now 13-6-1 when Vick starts.

And he only will get better as he gets older.

"One week I may not want to run the ball as often as I do," Vick said. "It’s all based on what I want to do. What can you say about it? I know how to play this game, and I’ve got the ball in my hands every play."

That’s what scares the Cardinals. That’s why there are Michael Vick Rules, even if they have a short shelf life.

"Next week we’ll dump them," Green said, "because even though (New Orleans Saints quarterback) Aaron Brooks can do a lot of things, you don’t have Aaron Brooks Rules."
 

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Bringing in a "consultant" demonstrates to me that Green's ego isn't necessarily as big as I might have thought. Recognizing that an outside set of eyes might be helpful is why corporations hire the McKinsey's and Booz Allen's of the world.

We forget that Alex Wood is still finding his way as a "rookie" OC. There is nothing wrong in saying that he might need help overcoming the learning curve.
 

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Some forget our QB can run too.


After seeing him not even trying to run much last week Im starting to wonder if we dont have another Plummer (coached not to run) on our hands.
 

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Bringing in a "consultant" demonstrates to me that Green's ego isn't necessarily as big as I might have thought. Recognizing that an outside set of eyes might be helpful is why corporations hire the McKinsey's and Booz Allen's of the world.

We forget that Alex Wood is still finding his way as a "rookie" OC. There is nothing wrong in saying that he might need help overcoming the learning curve.


If he needs help wouldnt that be the job of the head coach? Not some consultant?
 

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Shane H said:
If he needs help wouldnt that be the job of the head coach? Not some consultant?

Shane,

I was waiting for this reply from someone. The answer is not as easy as yes......or no.

A HC job these days is more than X's and O's. It's become much more complex. There is talent evaluation that is an ongoing responsibility, assessing opponent strengths and weaknesses in order to develop game by game strategy is huge and very time consuming, etc. etc.

Green cannot afford to get into the bowels of why Steph isn't getting or calling the right O-Line formations. In a perfect world, this would be Woods job. But once again, Woods is a "rookie" and just like a player rookie, it takes a little time to get it down.

Green's job is like a conductor in a symphony........he's has to get the various sections playing together.....not tinkering with why the tuba player by himself is out of key.

This is where a consultant comes into action.......and I know this well, cuz this is what I do for a living.
 

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If Warrick Dunn can't go on Sunday (my guess is that he'll dress but see limited action), game planning on how to contain Vick gets a whole lot easier. Dunn is a dual threat as a pass receiver as well as a running back. Take this out of equation and the Falcons miss a huge huge resource that we would always have to worry about. Stopping TJ Duckett is a whole hell of alot easier than stopping Dunn.

It also means that we can defense Price a whole lot tighter. Dez White isn't going to all of a sudden become something he never could elsewhere.

If Dunn is out........I like our chances here.
 

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black said:
Some forget our QB can run too.

Our QB is a long way from running like Vick. Vick could be an all pro tail back and has moves Josh could only dream about. So far I have not seen the running ability from Josh that many talk about. How many yards has he gained? Jake appears to be a better runner than Josh even those he is slight of frame.
 

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Bringing in a "consultant" demonstrates to me that Green's ego isn't necessarily as big as I might have thought. Recognizing that an outside set of eyes might be helpful is why corporations hire the McKinsey's and Booz Allen's of the world.

We forget that Alex Wood is still finding his way as a "rookie" OC. There is nothing wrong in saying that he might need help overcoming the learning curve.

I will be a consultant for free. Dennis here is my advice:

1. When playing a team like St Louis forget zone coverage and go man to man. They could throw the short over the center pass all day long.

2. If your QB is really performing bad go to a backup. Many teams do this.

3. Every once in a while bring the whold dam house on a blitz just to get the opposing QB thinking.

4. If your QB is consistenly being overwhelmed by the pass rush then do not keep him under center but go to the shotgun.

5. Send in some plays to counter the rush like a draw or screen if your QB cannot recoginze a blitz when he sees one.

6 Smith is the starter but if he is not gaining any yds then give one of the other backs some runs.

7. I have no advice on stopping Vick from running as I do not think one can because he has become an outstanding passer on the run. We need some ball control to stay in the game with Atlanta which requires some success at running the ball. Do the best you can.

8. Pray for heavy rain. Maybe we are mudders.
 

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spanky1 said:
If Dunn is out........I like our chances here.
Dunn is supossed to be good to go.

Even if he can't play, don't count your chickens--Duckett is a real talent, too. He's just a different kind of back, but he's still dangerous.
 

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spanky1 said:
Shane,

I was waiting for this reply from someone. The answer is not as easy as yes......or no.

A HC job these days is more than X's and O's. It's become much more complex. There is talent evaluation that is an ongoing responsibility, assessing opponent strengths and weaknesses in order to develop game by game strategy is huge and very time consuming, etc. etc.

Green cannot afford to get into the bowels of why Steph isn't getting or calling the right O-Line formations. In a perfect world, this would be Woods job. But once again, Woods is a "rookie" and just like a player rookie, it takes a little time to get it down.

Green's job is like a conductor in a symphony........he's has to get the various sections playing together.....not tinkering with why the tuba player by himself is out of key.

This is where a consultant comes into action.......and I know this well, cuz this is what I do for a living.

Then the question is if you cant handle all the duties of a head coach? Should you be the head coach? How many other teams have hired an "offensive consultant" or even have that position in the organization?

Still sounds to me like a job Denny should be doing. He says that he invented this Offense. Well there should be nobody better than him to fix it!
 

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Shane H said:
Then the question is if you cant handle all the duties of a head coach? Should you be the head coach? How many other teams have hired an "offensive consultant" or even have that position in the organization?

Still sounds to me like a job Denny should be doing. He says that he invented this Offense. Well there should be nobody better than him to fix it!

There are lots and lots of "consultants" on teams payrolls......Ron Wolf in Cleveland (until he quit); Fassel in Baltimore just to name a few. It really is commonplace these days.
 

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If Warrick Dunn can't go on Sunday (my guess is that he'll dress but see limited action), game planning on how to contain Vick gets a whole lot easier. Dunn is a dual threat as a pass receiver as well as a running back. Take this out of equation and the Falcons miss a huge huge resource that we would always have to worry about. Stopping TJ Duckett is a whole hell of alot easier than stopping Dunn.

It also means that we can defense Price a whole lot tighter. Dez White isn't going to all of a sudden become something he never could elsewhere.

If Dunn is out........I like our chances here.
i wouldn't sleep on duckett he's averaging 5+ yards a carry right now, he can catch. his only "weakness" is he was horrible at picking up the blitz but, i believe he's worked on it.

anyways dunn will be able to play this week. dunno if he is or isn't if it were a playoff game he'd be in there that's for sure.
 

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Pariah said:
Dunn is supossed to be good to go.

Even if he can't play, don't count your chickens--Duckett is a real talent, too. He's just a different kind of back, but he's still dangerous.

He is listed as "questionable" on the Injury Report from the league issued today. It is also a discussion point on their Web Site. He has a knee sprain and these can be very painful, slow to heal and suceptible to reinjury easily.

As for Duckett, he is a bull rusher and a good one, I agree. At least you know what to expect when he gets the ball. With Dunn, you have a "mini" Vick in terms of slash and dash........Duckett is NO THREAT in a pass receiving scenario. Big difference between the two as offensive weapons.
 
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