Cards get Adrian Peterson in trade with New Orleans

[Covert Rain]

That's not true. You're either in it to win, or you're tanking, and unlike the NBA, there are few NFL teams who can be seen as tankers. Seattle, Denver, Oakland, Dallas, and others were all-in and came up short. I'd argue that Arizona was more committed than others because it kept signing older players in an effort to win now and plug holes.

You can question the moves that the team made or didn't make, but it has nothing to do with commitment and philosophy.

Disagree. Teams rebuilding and trying to stock up and develop their talent are not really “all in” or “tanking”. There definitely is an in between.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Disagree. Teams rebuilding and trying to stock up and develop their talent are not really “all in” or “tanking”. There definitely is an in between.

This is what I believe we were doing... trying for one last gasp, or give the appearance of one, while readying ourselves for rebuilding.

If the FO thought this team had not just one, but a TWO year window, they’re morons. And I don’t think they’re morons.

 

[cardncubfan]

There can be a middle ground between tanking and going all in. I didn’t see all in last offseason and the results proved that thought wasn’t comical.

The results were of a team that lost 20 some starters to injury. A healthy team could have very easily finished 10-6 or 11-5 & made the playoffs. We finished 8-8 after losing half of the team to injury.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The results were of a team that lost 20 some starters to injury. A healthy team could have very easily finished 10-6 or 11-5 & made the playoffs. We finished 8-8 after losing half of the team to injury.

We were 3-4, an UGLY 3-4 with OT wins against awful Niner/Colts teams and blowout loses by 16, 27 and 33 points when the majority of the team was healthy. That is what we KNOW the team was... BAD with a couple of the worst teams in the league as their opponents.

The above is pure speculation based on nothing but hope and Kool-Aid. Much like your belief that not only would John Brown be healthy, but he was better than Antonio Brown.

Every team has injuries. The Eagles just got to the Super Bowl with backup QB AND LT amongst other injuries. The Vikings had more important injuries than us as well and they got to the NFC Title game.

Injuries are like buttholes. Everyone has them and they all stink. And reality is when the team was relatively healthy, they weren’t good.

Not to mention that this team went into depending on injury prone guys... like Humphries and Brown and even Palmer. Can’t cry foul when those guys get injured and you don’t have adequate people to step into their place.

 

[oaken1]

I have re-read this discussion and the reality has been made clear.

in no way was Keim trying to tank, he was really trying to win and make a SB run... so our management is just incompetent.

so please Cards fans,,,view all future moves through the appropriate filter.

 

[TruColor]

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[Cheesebeef]

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Shocker

 

[iLLmatiC]

Kirk cousins here we come!!!!

 

[TJ]

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Well....it is Wednesday.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or, we didnt have a starting caliber RB without DJ, so getting AP addressed that. Ws and Ls and planning for the future be damned. I dont know. My point is, I can't imagine an FO NOT addressing a need solely with the mindset that it may result in a couple more wins therefore screwing up next year. I think to expect a personnel guy to do his job that way is stupid.

So in order to be mediocre we should give up valuable assets vs utilizing our depth? That is not being competitive, that is lacking self awareness. In essence, trade picks to get fringe players because they may result in one or two wins on a roster which does not have a chance to compete. That is a terrible way to run a business.

 

[Chopper0080]

This is valid too. If I went to my boss halfway through the year and said I wasn’t going to launch any new campaigns so we can save the money for next year, I’d be out of a job.

The more appropriate example is you going to your boss and taking money from your next year's budget because the campaigns you ran failed to hit your goals.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Yeah, hind sight, the AP trade was a bad one. Let's see if Keim can pull another rabbit out of the hat.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don’t see where the second sixth comes from. He didn’t play enough to likely up the variable. I’d keep AP at his price. With a weak receiving corps and a run first offense there should be enough carries to keep AP happy. Between DJ & AP if they can fix the line they’ll wear done quite a few teams and keep the D fresh. Could use some 2 back sets.

The second 6th the the expectation that trading for a player that counted against comp picks will result is us receiving one less comp pick because AP now affects our comp pick formula.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I hate this. Another reason for Larry to say "It's time"

 

[Chopper0080]

And just to clarify. You believe that MB, SK and BA had no real intention to win the SB this past season?

There is a certain level of self awareness that is required from people in these positions of power. We were a long shot at the end of training camp. Once DJ went out, everyone should have understood it wasn't going to happen. Even more so after Hump got hurt. Also factoring in John Brown's inability to stay healthy.

 

[Chopper0080]

I hate this. Another reason for Larry to say "It's time"

Larry really wants to take the #2 spot from TO.

 

[wit3card]

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commented this already, if true, SK had a brain fart in 2017

I didn't understand the trade from the beginning but moveing on after having paid a 5th rounder for AP ... is just ... horrible move.

3.5 Mio $ aren't enough to get Cousins, and for anything else cuting AP isn't worth it.

But we will see, probably the worst trade in Keim history till now.

 

[TRW]

Yeah, hind sight, the AP trade was a bad one. Let's see if Keim can pull another rabbit out of the hat.

I hope he pulls his head out of his (and BA’s) ample behinds. He better have the best draft EVER this year or he will be done IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I Hate to tell you they all believed they had a shot at one more Super Bowl run with Carson, Fitz and BA. You can question the moves they made to achieve success last season, but to think they didn't believe they had a shot at a Super Bowl run is total insanity.

Then they’re idiots. They went 7-8-1 the year before. They lost a ton of talent and didn’t replace it talent-for-talent, had an older team who (shock I know) got hit with injuries. And finished an almost identical and foreseeable 8-8. If they, as football professionals, thought they had a legit shot at the superbowl they are idiots.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Then they’re idiots. They went 7-8-1 the year before. They lost a ton of talent and didn’t replace it talent-for-talent, had an older team who (shock I know) got hit with injuries. And finished an almost identical and foreseeable 8-8. If they, as football professionals, thought they had a legit shot at the superbowl they are idiots.

Did anyone honestly think that in 2008 we would be buying super bowl tickets? I sure did not, but there I was dropping $3800 to go to the game.

 

[schutd]

So in order to be mediocre we should give up valuable assets vs utilizing our depth? That is not being competitive, that is lacking self awareness. In essence, trade picks to get fringe players because they may result in one or two wins on a roster which does not have a chance to compete. That is a terrible way to run a business.

Conditional 6th Rounder is a valuable asset? Its an asset. Its value is HIGHLY debatable. Awaiting the response about TB12 and 6th round...

 

[Chopper0080]

Conditional 6th Rounder is a valuable asset? Its an asset. Its value is HIGHLY debatable. Awaiting the response about TB12 and 6th round...

$100 isn't a lot of money, but I generally won't just give it away. We threw a 6th round pick (and possibly more depending how AP figures into comp picks) away for the chance to be mediocre.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did anyone honestly think that in 2008 we would be buying super bowl tickets? I sure did not, but there I was dropping $3800 to go to the game.

So did we... but I fail to see any relevance to making a decision like that once we all KNEW for a fact that we were going to the Super Bowl to what the Cards brass believed going into last season.

 

[JeffGollin]

It wasn't untill August that the WR group really started to be a concern. Up until then it was considered one of the stronger units on the team. But then John Brown never could get healthy. JJ Nelson regressed and couldn't hang onto a ball. Chad Williams still needed to learn behind Fitz. I believe that the Coaches were expecting much more from this group heading into the preseason. The Cardinals couldn't afford a name FA WR and the only WRs worthy of a 1st round pick were gone before the Cardinals first pick.

Tramon Williams was signed July 30th. I think he did a decent job as the #2 CB when he took over in week 6. I blame the coaches for not starting him earlier.

What's missing here is context

What happened that caused all our receivers (sans Fitz) to regress?

What was done to cause Tramon Williams to improve his game?

A lot can happen we don't know about between the publication of Kiper's Draft Guide and the end of a season. It's often the difference between missing or making the playoffs...& it happens in plain sight.

 

[daves]

I Hate to tell you
they all believed they had a shot at one more Super Bowl run with Carson, Fitz and BA.

Then they’re idiots. They went 7-8-1 the year before. They lost a ton of talent and didn’t replace it talent-for-talent, had an older team who (shock I know) got hit with injuries. And finished an almost identical and foreseeable 8-8. If they, as football professionals, thought they had a legit shot at the superbowl they are idiots.

MadCard said they believed they had a shot at one more Super Bowl run. Not that it was guaranteed.

They went 8-8 with Stanton/Gabbert at QB for more than half the season, the corpse of Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Kerwyn Williams at RB, and occasional appearances from John "shadow of his former self" brown. IF Palmer and Johnson hadn't been hurt, IF John Brown had been 100% (as he seemed to be in preseason, IF Honey Badger really had been back to 100% (as we were led to believe in preseason), IF the O-line had stayed in-tact, then the Cardinals actually could have and should have made the playoffs.

OF COURSE it was unlikely for all of those things to happen... but they had a shot. They didn't mortgage the future to take that shot, but they took it. They also didn't start the rebuild, which many including you thought they should've done, and that's a reasonable thing to think. But as long as the had a shot at a playoff run, they wanted to take it, and i get that.

Even the Peterson trade, the more immediate subject of this thread, made sense when you consider that he almost single-handedly won two games of the six he played. Had he played in the final six games maybe they win one more? Maybe two? Incredibly, they still had a shot when they made the trade, even though almost none of us believed it. His injury was one that he had never suffered before - it wasn't his age or previous ACL injuries that struck him predictably, but a fluke landing on his neck (have you seen the video? Could've happened to any player in any game).

I'd hope that the front office would trade a freaking conditional 6th round pick 100 times out of 100 if it gave the team a shot at making the playoffs. Peterson got hurt and they fell a couple games short, but with 11 games to go, sitting one game out of the division lead, to give up a conditional 6th round pick is not something for which i'm going to excoriate the front office.

...dbs