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you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.

Exactly. I guess everyone here is going for the usual name recognition and a glance at the stats. If you actually have seen him play much post-injury, cheese's assessment is right on the money. He's a win-killer more than he is a winner.


I have no desire to watch Carson Palmer blows games for us. I've had enough of that crap the last two year.
 

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you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.

If you put the measuring stick at "above-average QB play", then Palmer is probably unacceptable.

If you place the measuring stick at "what we've had to endure the last three seasons as Cardinals fans"? Palmer is incredibly desirable.

I'd like to have a chance for a quarterback to lose the game for us in the 4th quarter, instead of us being completely out of the game if the opponent goes up 10-0 following their second possession.
 

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If we can get Palmer for a bargain, he's worth the gamble. If we have to pay him like he's a good player, I think we'd be better off just accepting that we suck at the position for another year than tying our hands cap wise to a guy like him.
 

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If you put the measuring stick at "above-average QB play", then Palmer is probably unacceptable.

If you place the measuring stick at "what we've had to endure the last three seasons as Cardinals fans"? Palmer is incredibly desirable.

I'd like to have a chance for a quarterback to lose the game for us in the 4th quarter, instead of us being completely out of the game if the opponent goes up 10-0 following their second possession.

LMAO so true.

I have never had the feeling I did in that Seattle game that there was NO WAY IN HELL we were crossing the 50 yard line. It was like watching what would happen if they took a fan out of the stands and placed him under center. Jets game comes to mind too although I had some sort of hope.

My God Ryan Lindley and Skeleton suck. It took me a bit to come around but I am so glad Wiz and co are gone. New beginnings. Time for youth ot be served.
 

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There are some Carson Palmer/Kurt Warner comparisons out there although Palmers ceiling was never as high as Warners even at their peaks.

Still hes nothing more then a stop gap for me and NOT the answer.

I could live with a Palmer, Stanton, Matt Scott/Brian Hoyer depth chart next year although I am not sure ANY of those guys are the answer.
 

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you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.

Precisely. He's a Paper Tiger.

Buyer beware when a team is considering starting Terrell Pryor over him.
 

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Signing Palmer might be the equivalent of putting a finger in the dike to stop the disaster/leak. Can't help but remember his attitude in the "trade me or I retire" diva rant with the Bengals. Threw his team under the bus.
 

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It IS the Raiders mind you. They've been utterly dysfunctional since Al Davis went senile and we haven't seen anything from them that shows differently since he died. Hell some would say even when he wasn't senile they won but were dysfunctional lol.

I agree what happened in Cinci we don't know about. At least he had the balls to actually go through with it. Whatever events transpired to piss him off to retire, he indeed was pissed off enough to retire. On the flip side he was one of the only members on the Bengals NOT to be arrested 47 times in 3 days.

Either way he went from there to the Raiders and somehow hasn't made a peep. So perhaps it was more of a personal thing between him and someone in ownership/fo.

He may not be the franchise star QB we are searching for, but he light years ahead of what we've had. Many times we've asked for a QB that was merely decent and if we had such a QB last year, we probably make the playoffs. Well here is actually one of those QB's, so while we still need to keep looking, we also until then need to grab someone like this.

On the Raiders team, 14 INT's came at a bad time with a crappy team that couldn't overcome, on this team, one mistake generally won't kill us. I would love to get him, simply because stop gap is something we must strive to achieve at this point.
 

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Palmer would be, BY FAR, the best option at QB. Are you going to tell me you'd rather have Drew Stanton or Brian Hoyer out there? C'mon, it's not even close. I equate Palmer's year kind of like Philip Rivers's. Name one legit WR on the Raiders? When Dropiouos Heyward-Bey may be the best WR, your team is in trouble. You put Palmer with this WR corp and he'll be very good.
 

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I could get on board with Palmer, especially if he was cut by the Raiders. He has always had a big arm and I think that more than anything is what Arians is looking for. Raiders gave up a ton for him, so I could see them wanting a lot in trade.
 

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I could get on board with Palmer, especially if he was cut by the Raiders. He has always had a big arm and I think that more than anything is what Arians is looking for. Raiders gave up a ton for him, so I could see them wanting a lot in trade.
Rumors are flying that he'll be released. I don't think he'd have any trade value because of his $13 mill contract.
 

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Palmer would be, BY FAR, the best option at QB. Are you going to tell me you'd rather have Drew Stanton or Brian Hoyer out there? C'mon, it's not even close. I equate Palmer's year kind of like Philip Rivers's. Name one legit WR on the Raiders? When Dropiouos Heyward-Bey may be the best WR, your team is in trouble. You put Palmer with this WR corp and he'll be very good.

:thumbup: Yeppers

I still don't get all the luv & infatuation about Stanton & Hoyer & I wish someone could explain it. Neither have rarely played & haven't done anything except perform average at best when inserted into the games. Crazy crazy crazy
 
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:thumbup: Yeppers

I still don't get all the luv & infatuation about Stanton & Hoyer & I wish someone could explain it. Neither have rarely played & haven't done anything except perform average at best when inserted into the games. Crazy crazy crazy

Is there anyone who is talking about Stanton or Hoyer as anything more then a 2 or 3 on depth chart? Especially after first 6 gmaes where Stanton's advantage of knowing Arians offense will be less prominent?

And people confuse Hoyer being tendered for 2nd round as his being anything more then a 3rd string guy with upside. They are protecting an asset that they surely would have lost had they tendered him as UDFA. When you have no QBs that a stupid thing to do, ESP when Hoyer was 2nd best QB 2 weeks off the street. None of these guys have been evaluated in person yet. Would be pretty stupid of Arians to let a potential asset like Hoyer walk before knowing what you have in him.

The one who gets screwed on the tender is Hoyer. Instead of getting guaranteed money he's going to have to fight for his life with likely 2 of a FA/Trades/Kolb and a rookie and then be cut before openings day with no guarantee IIRC.

Sheeeeeeeeeit it's the Exact same thing the Pats did last year. Yet the Cardinals are idiots?
 
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Is there anyone who is talking about Stanton or Hoyer as anything more then a 2 or 3 on depth chart? Especially after first 6 gmaes where Stanton's advantage of knowing Arians offense will be less prominent?

And people confuse Hoyer being tendered for 2nd round as his being anything more then a 3rd string guy with upside. They are protecting an asset that they surely would have lost had they tendered him as UDFA. When you have no QBs that a stupid thing to do, ESP when Hoyer was 2nd best QB 2 weeks off the street. None of these guys have been evaluated in person yet. Would be pretty stupid of Arians to let a potential asset like Hoyer walk before knowing what you have in him.

The one who gets screwed on the tender is Hoyer. Instead of getting guaranteed money he's going to have to fight for his life with likely 2 of a FA/Trades/Kolb and a rookie and then be cut before openings day with no guarantee IIRC.

Sheeeeeeeeeit it's the Exact same thing the Pats did last year. Yet the Cardinals are idiots?
Hoyer showed me enough to not shock me were he to earn the #1 QB job. That's not to say he's got a better than 50-50 shot; plus there's too much uncertainty about who else will be in the running, but I think it's all too easy to dismiss a guy as a 2nd or 3rd-stringer without first seeing how he can play after BA gets his hands on him.
 

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Hoyer showed me enough to not shock me were he to earn the #1 QB job.

man... i really think the last three seasons of the worst QB play in Cardinals history (which is saying something) has completely warped your brain if you think Hoyer's play in any way shape or form last season has led you to believe that he could be a starting QB for any team, much less ours.
 

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All I know is this. Kolb cannot be depended on to stay healthy, he must go. Skelton and Lindley have zero accuracy to the point it can not be possibly tweaked and made acceptable, they must go. Hoyer is a good backup and Palmer (who has his faults for sure) is still a ton better than our current options in my opinion.
 

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man... i really think the last three seasons of the worst QB play in Cardinals history (which is saying something) has completely warped your brain if you think Hoyer's play in any way shape or form last season has led you to believe that he could be a starting QB for any team, much less ours.
Hey Cheese - cool it with the personal tirade. You have a right to your opinion. You do not have a right to mine.
 

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:thumbup: Yeppers

I still don't get all the luv & infatuation about Stanton & Hoyer & I wish someone could explain it. Neither have rarely played & haven't done anything except perform average at best when inserted into the games. Crazy crazy crazy

Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton?

If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.
 

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Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton?

If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.

How can anyone say that is worse than what we put out there last two years?
 
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Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton?

If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.

Considering Hoyer goes from best QB on depth chart at end of year to #3 or #4 I would have to say I patently disagree with you.
 

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Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton?

If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.

I think Palmer is an upgrade over anything we had last year, but IMO Stanton & Hoyer aren't really anything better than the Skelton or Lindley combo.

My problem is I'm not sure we're going to get Carson which leaves us with trash much like last season. IMO expecting BA to coach up the others into starting caliber NFL QBs is a pipedream.
 

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I think Palmer is an upgrade over anything we had last year, but IMO Stanton & Hoyer aren't really anything better than the Skelton or Lindley combo.

My problem is I'm not sure we're going to get Carson which leaves us with trash much like last season. IMO expecting BA to coach up the others into starting caliber NFL QBs is a pipedream.

No prob with Palmer....are Hoyer and Stanton our QB's of the future.

Like Mitch said in another thread......Geno Smith might work with Palmer.....you can even give me Derek Anderson as the 3rd QB.....uhhhhhh....no you can't.
 

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You guys really want Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton.

Playoffs.
Who is available that is a better option? Palmer is the best option if released.

Palmer can stop the bleeding until we find our QBOF.

Signing Palmer and drafting a QB (Mike Glennon, or Matt Scott) as the back up. Makes our QB situation much better than it has been.
 
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