Cards interested in Carson Palmer?

[Goldfield]

I think Palmer is an upgrade over anything we had last year, but IMO Stanton & Hoyer aren't really anything better than the Skelton or Lindley combo.

My problem is I'm not sure we're going to get Carson which leaves us with trash much like last season. IMO expecting BA to coach up the others into starting caliber NFL QBs is a pipedream.

As bad as our QB situation is we better go get Palmer if available.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

you can even give me Derek Anderson as the 3rd QB.....uhhhhhh....no you can't.

Wow, I never thought I would see that said here even in jest.

 

[Buckybird]

.are Hoyer and Stanton our QB's of the future.

IMO that's a HELL NO!

I don't even trust them as backups, though many others do. Let me ask this...if Carson got hurt can the Cards have a legit shot at winning with those clowns for 4-5 weeks if he was out? It blows my mind how some teams have a vet QB who can possibly win games for you when injuries occur, but we never seem to have that guy.

 

[Buckybird]

As bad as our QB situation is we better go get Palmer if available.

100% agree

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Who is available that is a better option? Palmer is the best option if released.

Palmer can stop the bleeding until we find our QBOF.

Signing Palmer and drafting a QB (Mike Glennon, or Matt Scott) as the back up. Makes our QB situation much better than it has been.

I guess you didn't read my post above yours.

Palmer can be a bandaid.

Mother Theresa at QB would be better than last year and she's been dead for a while.

I'm OK with the Palmer and a rookie plan....not so much with the other current NFL QB's who have never sniffed the field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hey Cheese - cool it with the personal tirade. You have a right to your opinion. You do not have a right to mine.

Personal tirade? I just think Brian Hoyer as a possible starting QB is a disastrous idea Jeff and it surprises me that anyone would think otherwise. And as far as having a "right" to your opinion... I have no right to tell you not to have an opinion but I have every right to disagree with your opinion if you're gonna post it.

 

[Buckybird]

Personal tirade? I just think Brian Hoyer as a possible starting QB is a disastrous idea Jeff and it surprises me that anyone would think otherwise. And as far as having a "right" to your opinion... I have no right to tell you not to have an opinion but I have every right to disagree with your opinion if you're gonna post it.

Many here thought Skelton could manage the offense & wins games with a very good defense too cheese & we saw how that worked out. IMO it's pure lunacy to again think the Cards can win with average talent at best at the QB position like the Ravens did with Trent Dilfer like 12 years ago.

We don't have many options as of today which is why I'm skeptical this team is any better than 6-10 at best. Rarely does a non talented QB win consistently in this league especially today when so much about winning comes from the passing game!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Many here thought Skelton could manage the offense & wins games with a very good defense too cheese & we saw how that worked out. IMO it's pure lunacy to again think the Cards can win with average talent at best at the QB position like the Ravens did with Trent Dilfer like 12 years ago.

We don't have many options as of today which is why I'm skeptical this team is any better than 6-10 at best. Rarely does a non talented QB win consistently in this league especially today when so much about winning comes from the passing game!!!

Easy there Buck. Someone might take the reality check above as a personal tirade if you're not careful.

 

[Goldfield]

I thought Skelton would take a step up and become a solid backup or possable game manager/ starter. How he took such a huge step backwards I have no clue. The year before he showed some promise.

 

[kerouac9]

Is there anyone who is talking about Stanton or Hoyer as anything more then a 2 or 3 on depth chart? Especially after first 6 gmaes where Stanton's advantage of knowing Arians offense will be less prominent?

And people confuse Hoyer being tendered for 2nd round as his being anything more then a 3rd string guy with upside. They are protecting an asset that they surely would have lost had they tendered him as UDFA. When you have no QBs that a stupid thing to do, ESP when Hoyer was 2nd best QB 2 weeks off the street. None of these guys have been evaluated in person yet. Would be pretty stupid of Arians to let a potential asset like Hoyer walk before knowing what you have in him.

The one who gets screwed on the tender is Hoyer. Instead of getting guaranteed money he's going to have to fight for his life with likely 2 of a FA/Trades/Kolb and a rookie and then be cut before openings day with no guarantee IIRC.

Sheeeeeeeeeit it's the Exact same thing the Pats did last year. Yet the Cardinals are idiots?

Everyone. When there isn't a #1 QB on the depth chart, than the two guys that were paid the most recently are going to be the assumed starters.

Honestly, AZF, who do you think is the #1 QB for the Cards right now? If Kolb is released on Friday afternoon, whom would you pencil in as the opening-day starter?

 

[Buckybird]

Everyone. When there isn't a #1 QB on the depth chart, than the two guys that were paid the most recently are going to be the assumed starters.

Honestly, AZF, who do you think is the #1 QB for the Cards right now? If Kolb is released on Friday afternoon, whom would you pencil in as the opening-day starter?

Yep, everyone pretty much seems to embrace Hoyer or Stanton as being the starter here in 2013 unless a rook beats him out or replaces him later if we do indeed draft one. I just don't get the luv or positives about either as well as Skelton or Lindley.

IMO Stanton, Hoyer & even Skelton give the Cards little chance to win more than 6 games at best!!!

 

[kerouac9]

Yep, everyone pretty much seems to embrace Hoyer or Stanton as being the starter here in 2013 unless a rook beats him out or replaces him later if we do indeed draft one. I just don't get the luv or positives about either as well as Skelton or Lindley.

IMO Stanton, Hoyer & even Skelton give the Cards little chance to win more than 6 games at best!!!

I dunno. If you believe that Whisenhunt doesn't understand anything about the quarterback position (and I firmly believe that based on all available evidence), then I think you can believe that the NFL has employed Hoyer and Stanton and they're better than Skelton and Lindley.

Stanton is a former 2nd round pick who might be as good as Shaun Hill. To 30 other teams in the NFL, that's no great shakes. For the Arizona Cardinals, if it's true, then you have a starting quarterback for the 2013 season.

Hoyer is a guy who might be as good as Kellen Clemens. To the rest of the NFL, that means that he waits by the phone for two months waiting for it to ring. For Ken Whisenhunt, it means that you have a potential answer for your quarterback problem and someone who can compete with Phil Rivers for a starting job. For the Arizona Cardinals, it means that you have a starting quarterback for the 2013 season.

I think that expecting either Drew Stanton or Brian Hoyer to win 6 games is pretty optimistic. Not because of anything to do with the offense; it just assumes that the defense led by Todd Bowles is not going to slacken deeply in 2013.

 

[Chopper0080]

No way to get around it, Palmer would be an upgrade over anything we have had since Warner. Will it translate into significantly more wins? I don't know, but it would be better football to watch offensively.

As far as Stanton and Hoyer, K9 probably hit it on the head that the best case scenario would be Shaun Hill. Again, does this lead to more wins? I don't know, but it is better than what we have IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

With Wilson being cut today, if this happens..... I'm not getting season tickets for the first time since 1993.


The last two seasons have been brutal, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay more than 2 grand to watch Carson Palmer throw victory-killing picks.

Yeah he actually had reasonably good numbers this year, 22 TD 14 picks 85 rating.

But he just seemed to constantly be throwing picks at the worst possible time. I haven't looked at his splits might not be as bad as I think, but seemed like several Raiders games I saw parts of ended with one of his picks.

His arm did look better last season than the prior year but at best a stopgap so I hope we realize that going in.

 

[Goldfield]

When is it a good time to throw a pick?

 

[Russ Smith]

When is it a good time to throw a pick?

Well true but there are really BAD times.

I looked at his splits, 4 picks in first quarter, 4 in second 1 in 3rd and 5 in 4th.

So 9 of his 14 picks are IMO at the worst time in games, early or late. They either put you behind early, or kill you late.

I didn't look at scores etc and I didn't watch that many Raider games this year (despite living in the Bay Area) but it just seemed to me he had several of those Raiders need a score to get back in game and he throws it right to the safety picks.

I always liked Palmer, advocated him over Kolb at the time. But just seems to me like he was really careless with the ball in Oakland.

 

[john h]

Palmer is light years better than what we have now. I can't go another season with Kolb n co. I would be thrilled with Palmer, its an upgrade.

Then I would draft Mike Glennon as the long term guy.

I certainly agree Palmer is much better than anyone on our team now. It would sure be a bummer for us to start the season with our current QBs. I think that would insure us of a 1st or 2nd pick in next years draft.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah he actually had reasonably good numbers this year, 22 TD 14 picks 85 rating.

But he just seemed to constantly be throwing picks at the worst possible time. I haven't looked at his splits might not be as bad as I think, but seemed like several Raiders games I saw parts of ended with one of his picks.

His arm did look better last season than the prior year but at best a stopgap so I hope we realize that going in.

The Raiders were 2-4 in games decided by a TD or less, so it's difficult to say that "Well, they wouldn't have been 4-12 save for a couple of game-killing INTs by Palmer." I mean, they might not have been 4-12, but they probably wouldn't have been 9-7.

According to advanced stats, there's a big spread between his DYAR (334, 18th in the NFL) and his QBR (44.7, 29th), so you'd suspect that he's making some poor errors at pretty significant moments.

But let's keep in mind that Arizona Cardinals fans have been eating metaphorical garbage at quarterback position for three straight seasons. When you're metaphorically eating garbage, Taco Bell starts to look kinda appetizing.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Raiders were 2-4 in games decided by a TD or less, so it's difficult to say that "Well, they wouldn't have been 4-12 save for a couple of game-killing INTs by Palmer." I mean, they might not have been 4-12, but they probably wouldn't have been 9-7.

According to advanced stats, there's a big spread between his DYAR (334, 18th in the NFL) and his QBR (44.7, 29th), so you'd suspect that he's making some poor errors at pretty significant moments.

But let's keep in mind that Arizona Cardinals fans have been eating metaphorical garbage at quarterback position for three straight seasons. When you're metaphorically eating garbage, Taco Bell starts to look kinda appetizing.

Yeah I don't follow the Raiders that closely. Just seemed like everytime I watched the local news they were saying any chance the Raiders had to come back ended on this Carson Palmer INT. I was actually surprised he only had 14 last year, seemed like more.

 

[Phrazbit]

Apologies if its already been stated, but Arians loves a vertical passing game and Palmer currently has the noodliest of noodle arms in the entire league. I cant picture him and his 8 yard fluttered passes as something Bruce would have an interest in.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

The Raiders were 2-4 in games decided by a TD or less, so it's difficult to say that "Well, they wouldn't have been 4-12 save for a couple of game-killing INTs by Palmer." I mean, they might not have been 4-12, but they probably wouldn't have been 9-7.

According to advanced stats, there's a big spread between his DYAR (334, 18th in the NFL) and his QBR (44.7, 29th), so you'd suspect that he's making some poor errors at pretty significant moments.

But let's keep in mind that Arizona Cardinals fans have been eating metaphorical garbage at quarterback position for three straight seasons. When you're metaphorically eating garbage, Taco Bell starts to look kinda appetizing.

I like Taco Bell