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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Well, if there's an article on it, it must be true. The Browns have had Mike Pettine and Hue Jackson since then and I don't think they have combined as many wins as Shurmur had.

Shurmur may be a guy who is better as a coordinator than HC but to not hire him based on his Cleveland run, or some article, is shortsighted at best.

Imagine if New England took this approach with BB.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

That was the Ravens Browns wasnt it?? ... Not the "New" expansion Browns?

The move wasn't until 95-96...it was the Browns.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This. That dude went off the rails the past few years.

No I think he was snorting rails the last few years.

 

[oaken1]

The move wasn't until 95-96...it was the Browns.

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right... but it was the team that moved... not the expansion Browns

 

[Chopper0080]

Shurmur, Fangio, and give me Tom Cable to coach the o line please

 

[Arz101]

Shurmur, Fangio, and give me Tom Cable to coach the o line please

you sure you want Cable?

The below is interview transcript from former Seahawks OT Ray Roberts yesterday:

How the Seahawks run their ZBS is a problem because once they take a step to the right and Russell puts the ball out, it's gonna be a run. The linebackers and defenders know exactly where it's going and they come right downhill and defend it. When you look at some of the stuff Kansas City was doing, having motions in the backfield and they run the zone with it. So they have more things for defenders to look at and read.


Thought of Ifedi to the inside:
When they do pass protection, Ifedi does the same angle, the same set, every single time. If you're a defensive linemen, you can game-plan that. You can setup every move you have because you know every single drop back pass he's going to go to the same exact spot, every single time. So then as a offensive linemen you aren't dictating to the defense at all in that situation, they are dictating to you. You have to react to what they're going to do. I think it would be better to give him more tools in his toolbox, so he can go after dudes a little sooner and get to the intersect point a lot faster.


When Duane Brown came, as his tenure here got longer, with Cable, you could see some of his play deteriorating. I thought man, the technique here is messing him up. When he first came here he blocked the way he always has and was doing great. Then all of a sudden you could start to see the Tom Cable influences. That's the technique that jacked up Duane Brown and that's the technique that I think has really affected Ifedi's ability to get to the outside on an edge rusher because you're giving so much attention to the inside and you only have one arm to stop a dude on the edge.

 

[Chopper0080]

you sure you want Cable?

The below is interview transcript from former Seahawks OT Ray Roberts yesterday:

How the Seahawks run their ZBS is a problem because once they take a step to the right and Russell puts the ball out, it's gonna be a run. The linebackers and defenders know exactly where it's going and they come right downhill and defend it. When you look at some of the stuff Kansas City was doing, having motions in the backfield and they run the zone with it. So they have more things for defenders to look at and read.


Thought of Ifedi to the inside:
When they do pass protection, Ifedi does the same angle, the same set, every single time. If you're a defensive linemen, you can game-plan that. You can setup every move you have because you know every single drop back pass he's going to go to the same exact spot, every single time. So then as a offensive linemen you aren't dictating to the defense at all in that situation, they are dictating to you. You have to react to what they're going to do. I think it would be better to give him more tools in his toolbox, so he can go after dudes a little sooner and get to the intersect point a lot faster.


When Duane Brown came, as his tenure here got longer, with Cable, you could see some of his play deteriorating. I thought man, the technique here is messing him up. When he first came here he blocked the way he always has and was doing great. Then all of a sudden you could start to see the Tom Cable influences. That's the technique that jacked up Duane Brown and that's the technique that I think has really affected Ifedi's ability to get to the outside on an edge rusher because you're giving so much attention to the inside and you only have one arm to stop a dude on the edge.

Cable has been good for a much longer time than this single year. When he was coaching Russell Okung and Max Unger and JR Sweezy, he was brilliant. Now when he gets Ifedi and a holdout, midseason vet, and the unit struggles, he can't coach? They gave this guy garbage and we are shocked that he couldn't do anything with it?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cable has been good for a much longer time than this single year. When he was coaching Russell Okung and Max Unger and JR Sweezy, he was brilliant. Now when he gets Ifedi and a holdout, midseason vet, and the unit struggles, he can't coach? They gave this guy garbage and we are shocked that he couldn't do anything with it?

Tom Cable is the guy who beat his wife, right?

 

[Gandhi]

The browns are an NFL franchise. Enough of the.....Well it's the browns....he wasn't given much to succed with. The bottom line is he went 5 and 11 two years in a row. To dismiss that like it should not count would be wrong.

This is completely true. It’s kind of weird how some people will simply ignore a coach’s history. I would like to hear from somebody who can tell me which head coaches from Cleveland, since Belichick more than 20 years ago, has had success anywhere else? I mean, it should be easy to find coaches that have had success as head coaches with other teams after he left Cleveland, since the problem allegedly is the organization and not the coach.

It gets even more strange when some of the same posters that favors Shurmur as the new head coach are dismissing a guy like Matt Patricia while using some of the same arguments. I can’t figure out why it’s apparently common knowledge that one team’s continuous history with coaches is irrelevant while another team’s continuous history with coaches is essential.

I am in no way calling Pat Shurmur a bad candidate. I just think that any opinion or judgement should be made on a fair basis.

 

[kerouac9]

This is completely true. It’s kind of weird how some people will simply ignore a coach’s history. I would like to hear from somebody who can tell me which head coaches from Cleveland, since Belichick more than 20 years ago, has had success anywhere else? I mean, it should be easy to find coaches that have had success as head coaches with other teams after he left Cleveland, since the problem allegedly is the organization and not the coach.

It gets even more strange when some of the same posters that favors Shurmur as the new head coach are dismissing a guy like Matt Patricia while using some of the same arguments. I can’t figure out why it’s apparently common knowledge that one team’s continuous history with coaches is irrelevant while another team’s continuous history with coaches is essential.

I am in no way calling Pat Shurmur a bad candidate. I just think that any opinion or judgement should be made on a fair basis.

I mean, you could say the same thing about the Cards. Denny Green is in the grave. Ken Whienhunt was 3-20 in his next stint. Dave McGinnis followed Jeff Fisher around as an LBs coach for 12 years and is now their radio color guy. Vince Tobin was a DC for one season before leaving football.

In Cleveland, Jeff Chudzinski took Bettcher's place as special asst. to the Head Coach and is OC today.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I just think that any opinion or judgement should be made on a fair basis.

While I agree, I do not always practice what is preached here.

The logic side of me says most ex-Patriots coaches end up failing, and the illogical side of me says, I am tired of hearing how Belichek's farts do not stink and everything he touches turns to gold.

............then the logical side of me comes in again and says "Yeah, turns to gold Lombardi trophies you dumb-arse".

I hear you on that one.

I am not sold on Patricia's coaching past, and question his ability to have the attention of the team he is coaching without Belichek backing him up.

At least with Josh Daniels, he has head coaching experience, and hopefully learned from the past mistakes. Plus I respect the guy because he goes nose to nose with Brady when it is needed.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tom Cable is the guy who beat his wife, right?

No idea...I think he had an assault issue, but not sure if it was related to his wife.

 

[oaken1]

No idea...I think he had an assault issue, but not sure if it was related to his wife.

his wife and another woman...apparently there was enough smoke that it bothered Al Davis

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4613549

also an incident where he "allegedly" broke an assistant coaches Jaw in a meeting... the dude might be a hot head, lol.