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I just listened to Whisenhunt's post game press conference. He mentioned Leckey practiced just one week prior to the game and was just not there yet. Another week of practice will be helpful and will see how he progresses. Sendlein will start against Seahawks since he finished the game (not sure why?). Did mention that there was communication problem with center and right side of the line with two young guys which he doesn't think will be when Leckey returns being a solid vetern.

I get the impression Leckey is just not 100% yet. I think we are just over speculating.
 

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except that Leckey is a vet -- and as such, that $1.3 mm is guaranteed

No he isnt a vet yet. A vested veteran is a player with four or more seasons of experience. A year counts as 9 or more games on a teams roster. Leckey only has 3 years vested in his veteran status.
 

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I get the impression Leckey is just not 100% yet. I think we are just over speculating.

Maybe. But considering we have 4 centers on the roster something has got to give. Either Leckey and his 1.3 Mill stays as a 3rd stringer which he will be since Okobi is Grimms boy. Or we cut Lyle and his 285K whom the coaches seem to really like his up side.
 

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I don't see Leckey being cut as he also plays Gaurd. He actuall is IMO a pretty decent player and great back up.

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I don't see Leckey being cut as he also plays Gaurd. He actuall is IMO a pretty decent player and great back up.

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But Elton Brown is your #3 OG backup already and Badger plays OG. Okobi is without question the #2 center being Grimms boy. So Leckey (at best if he is in front of Badger and Lyle) he is the #3 Center and the #4 OG. At 1.3 Mill the writting is still on the wall.

And Leckey has only experimented at OG in practice only.
 

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But Elton Brown is your #3 OG backup already and Badger plays OG. Okobi is without question the #2 center being Grimms boy. So Leckey (at best if he is in front of Badger and Lyle) he is the #3 Center and the #4 OG. At 1.3 Mill the writting is still on the wall.

And Leckey has only experimented at OG in practice only.

Also remember that Sendlein took several snaps at guard in the preseason. I think it was the Denver game.

We've gone from not having any decent centers to having too many. I like it.
 

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I liked all the moves.

Center is an unsung but critical position - it's kind of like your water company (You don't think about it unless something goes wrong).

Al Johnson will be out at least 2 - 3 weeks (maybe longer - given the quirkiness of knees).

Although Leckey is supposed to be just about all the way back, an extra week as a precaution isn't a bad idea given (fanfare!) the quirkiness of knees.

Sendlein did a really nice job for an UDFA (particularly in a noisy arena), but a right side consisting of Sendlein-Lutui-Levi is kind of inexperienced.

The reason why Badger was released and then re-signed was in order to circumvent the cutoff date for guaranteeing salaries. He can play center in a pinch.

Okobi played for Wiz and knows the system.

By re-signing Badger and bringing in Chukki, the pressure is taken off Al Johnson (and for that matter, Leckey) from trying to come back too early and risking further injury.

And it gives us additional quality depth at guard as well.
 

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He was in street clothes becuase he was inactive. Both radio shows in the morning have been talking about it. Leckey practiced with no limitations the whole week leading up the Niners. That along with Okobi being brought in leads them to believe they no longer like Leckey after seeing Lyle play in Leckeys place the last 3 preseason games. That and having an extra 1.3 Mill to work with for extensions.

On Whis' press conference he said that Leckey was still not 100% and that he would be better after another week of practice. He also said that the line was lacking when Lyle was in because his lack of experience had a negative effect on Duece and Brown and said that he thought Leckey would help that situation. To me it sounds as though Leckey will start this week.
 

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On Whis' press conference he said that Leckey was still not 100% and that he would be better after another week of practice. He also said that the line was lacking when Lyle was in because his lack of experience had a negative effect on Duece and Brown and said that he thought Leckey would help that situation. To me it sounds as though Leckey will start this week.

Leckey will not be starting and Lyle has already been named the starter.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=1906

Even if Leckey is fully healthy Okobi would be the backup(he is already called the backup in the article) without a doubt in my mind. Okobi is Grimms boy and a pet project of his, knows and has worked in Grimms system for 4 years, and Grimm is the reason why Pitt gave Okobi a nice new contract last year even though Okobi never started before.

When Johnson is healthy again, we will not keep 4 centers on the roster and someone is going home. And none of them are gaurds like has been stated as Okobi has never played gaurd, neither has Johnson, and Lyle and Leckey only experimented with it in a few practices. Thats even if the Cards felt they needed more gaurd depth which I dont think they do considering they already have guys they like holding down those spots in Elton Brown and Badger.
 

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Like Jeff, I thought the moves made sense.

Joeschmo, you seem awfully certain about Leckey being placed behind Okobi in Grimm's hierarchy of centers. Do you have any inside knowledge? Whisenhunt seems to be indicating that Leckey is the backup to Johnson, when fully healthy.
 

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A good story from the EVT.

Apparently Leckey did practice, but he still has something going on with his MCL and is not completely stable to play


In the first game on MNF!

He is the local boy made good. Now, he has to be even better. Rookie Lyle Sendlein, who was a star player at Scottsdale Chaparral High School, will make his first NFL start Sunday, at home vs. the Seattle Seahawks.

Sendlein, filling in for the injured Al Johnson at center, “did a good job of finishing the game for us,” Monday night in San Francisco, “especially in a situation where there was a lot of noise in a hostile environment.” coach Ken Whisenhunt says.

“Certainly he earned the opportunity to start.”

Sendlein was a linebacker at Chaparral but switched to center after entering the University of Texas, where he started for 2 1/2 seasons.

But Sendlein wasn’t among the 255 players drafted in April.

“No one really wanted me, so I had to work that much harder to get on a team,” Sendlein says.

He had a few opportunities and chose the Cardinals because “I think the organization is going in the right direction with the new coaching staff. The coaches are phenomenal.”

Sendlein seemed far from a lock to make the team.

He said he followed his dad’s advice: “Play every play like it’s your last.

“I’ve always been taught to play smart, hard, physical football. That’s all I’ve tried to do.”

His dad, Robin, should know, too. He played in the NFL at Minnesota and Miami.

Sendlein played well consistently at training camp, where he held his own in one-on-one drills with the Cardinals’ experienced defensive linemen, and in the exhibition season.

Then on Monday night, “The thing I remember most is when Al went down, instead of looking confused or wondering if he was going in, he jumped up, grabbed the ball and immediately went to the sidelines and started taking snaps with Matt (Leinart),” Whisenhunt says.

“To me, that showed that he was ready to go into the game.”

That’s what is expected of backups, of course, But sometimes those guys aren’t prepared.

“To me what that showed, in that brief moment, is that he was prepared.”

Chukky Okobi, the team’s new backup at the position, says, “Center is a pressure cooker. But he should be all right. He’s got a good teacher.”

That teacher is Russ Grimm, the offensive line coach who appears to be rebuilding what had been a dysfunctional group.

“Lyle has done a good job in the preseason,” Grimm says.

His progress from here on out is vital, because the Cardinals already are inexperienced on the right side with second-year guard Deuce Lutui and rookie tackle Levi Brown.

So now the Cardinals have three green starters on the line.

Be that as it may, “Sooner or later you’ve got to turn ’em loose,” Grimm says. “Take the training wheels off and they gotta play.”

But if a rookie can be experienced, it’s Sendlein, who played in big games, including Texas’ riveting BCS title win over USC.

“You get used to playing before crowds,” he says.

He’s enthused about having his first NFL start in his hometown, “But it could be in the parking lot at Chaparral High as far as I’m concerned.”

His background, he hopes, will be good preventive medicine for a case of nerves.

“We have a system where it’s easy to know what you’re doing. It’s just the ‘what ifs.’… And coach Grimm has everyone well prepared for all the what ifs.

“We’ll get that worked on this week and be prepared. Experienced or not.”
 

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Lyle and Leckey only experimented with it in a few practices.

Only if you consider playing the position in a pre season game practice. If you do then Levi Brown had never played right tackle in the NFL except for experimenting with it in practice either.

Sendlein played some at guard at Texas and in the preseason with the Cardinals.
 

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Leckey will not be starting and Lyle has already been named the starter.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=1906

Even if Leckey is fully healthy Okobi would be the backup(he is already called the backup in the article) without a doubt in my mind. Okobi is Grimms boy and a pet project of his, knows and has worked in Grimms system for 4 years, and Grimm is the reason why Pitt gave Okobi a nice new contract last year even though Okobi never started before.

When Johnson is healthy again, we will not keep 4 centers on the roster and someone is going home. And none of them are gaurds like has been stated as Okobi has never played gaurd, neither has Johnson, and Lyle and Leckey only experimented with it in a few practices. Thats even if the Cards felt they needed more gaurd depth which I dont think they do considering they already have guys they like holding down those spots in Elton Brown and Badger.

BIM: guard ;)
 

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Only if you consider playing the position in a pre season game practice. If you do then Levi Brown had never played right tackle in the NFL except for experimenting with it in practice either.

Sendlein played some at guard at Texas and in the preseason with the Cardinals.

Yep that lasted long. And how many snaps did they even play at that spot in 1 preseason game. You make it sound as if they played the whole game when in fact they each probably only got one series if even that. Again they experimented with it nothing less nothing more. They havent even practiced at it since. Elton and Badger would be ahead of them on the depth chart anyways so there is no reason to argue the point anyways.
 

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Like Jeff, I thought the moves made sense.

Joeschmo, you seem awfully certain about Leckey being placed behind Okobi in Grimm's hierarchy of centers. Do you have any inside knowledge? Whisenhunt seems to be indicating that Leckey is the backup to Johnson, when fully healthy.

Insider knowledge nope, clues and facts, yes.

Okobi is and has been Grimms favorite prospect and project according to Pitt news reports.

Okobi got a pretty big conract extension from Pitt without ever even starting before, a contract that is the reason why Pitt cut him in the first place.

Leckey's stance and Matt do not mix.

Okobi is stronger then Leckey which is why they brought in Johnson becuase Leckey wasnt strong enough for Grimms liking.

Okobi had various other offers to go to other teams, he stated in his interview that he waited and blew those offers off just to play for Grimm again, he wouldnt do that if he thought he was going to be a 3rd sting center when he could have gone somewhere else to be a main backup with possibilites of starting.

Okobi has been in Grimms system for 4 years compared to Leckey being in it for one offseason. Once Okobi learns abut his teammates Okobi has the edge over Leckey in strength, stance for the QB, and system knowledge.

4 Centers on the roster with 2 Backups the Cards like in Okobi and Lyle, making Leckeys 1.3 Mill loom large over everything especially considering they didnt want to pay Milford or Clancy what they were getting paid to be backups and they only have 2 Mill in cap space with expectations of wanting to extends some players.

Do you honestly think they will keep 4 healthy centers on the roster? Not a chance, espcially when they need a roster spot when the inevitable injury to someone else at another postion occurs and they need to bring in a backup from the PS or a street FA. The 4th Center will be the first to go. Is that going to be their 7 Million dollar man Johnson, Grimms pet project and his boy Okobi, the current starter/prospect for the future Lyle, or the 1.3 Million dollar backup center who is to low to the ground for our QB - Leckey.
 
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