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Well, what are some other examples? The way that we contained the Chiefs for three-and-a-half quarters until discipline broke down in the form of an 85-yard screen pass? The Cards don't have a single signature defensive performance under Clancy Pendergast. What's the argument for keeping him around? Continuity? When you've had a defense that has ranked in the bottom third in scoring of the NFL for his entire tenure, is continuity what you're looking for?


How bout the Bears game??? Defense gave up a whopping 34 yards rushing, 148 yards passing, a total of 182 yards as a defense, they only allowed 3 points from the opposing offense, you can't blame Pendy's D for that lost.
 

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Yeah, maybe I should. I'll try to pay more attention when the radio/television/newspapers prattle on about the broncos 24/7.

psst--I live in Denver. I've got a pretty good feel for what they're doing.

Sorry, I forgot. Then you know that Coyer doesn't have any say in personnel. That year was his first season as DC there, wasn't he? Shanahan controls personnel, along with their GM. What makes you think that Coyer was the man behind letting Pryce leave and bringing in the Browns' D-line? Shanahan was looking for excuses to cut Trevor Pryce long before Coyer got there.
 

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How bout the Bears game??? Defense gave up a whopping 34 yards rushing, 148 yards passing, a total of 182 yards as a defense, they only allowed 3 points from the opposing offense, you can't blame Pendy's D for that lost.

Muli just mentioned the Bears game, bro. Read the whole thread.
 

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k9, if the cards missed the playoffs by just two games, I would be one here saying we should extend the staff another ten years. :) sad isn't it.
 

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The thing is Pendergast's defenses have been just good enough to lose us too many games in the late running. Too many times the front office has said, "Well, if the ball just bounced this way instead of that one, we'd be in contention." I don't want a team that's supposed to get better based on 90% hope, which is what has happened. Right now, here are the lists of hopes as I see them:

- That Bertrand Berry can stay healthy 16 games.
- That Clancy Pendergast can figure out a way to put together a complete game
- That Antrel Rolle comes back healthy and plays like a #6 overall draft pick
- That Eric Green can put it together
- That a good cornerback becomes available in free agency and we sign him
- That the offensive line's ascent to mediocrity at the end of the season can be sustained
- That we can find a workable WLB in free agency or the draft

That's a lot of hopes, and a couple of them will be resolved somewhat by the end of draft day. But we know that guys like Coyer and Lewis can put together good defenses week in and week out, and still patch holes when injuries hit. There are more hopes and prayers on this roster right now than sure things, and I don't want to pin next season on the hopes of Rod Graves, whose hopes have been shown to be illusory his entire tenure here.
 

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I've read this twice in as amny minutes this morning.

It's interesting to me that everyone is up in arms about CP's retention (assuming neferious meddling by the Cards), and in the same breath are critical that he hasn't been extended.

Maybe this is the comprimise: Cards brass wants him. Whiz isn't so sure. So, we keep him this year (when there's slim pickins for DCs anyway) and see if he can EARN a new contract.

I don't think that's a bad thing.

CP showed flashes of brilliance in the last few years, but weaknesses on the defense also remained. So, we'll see now if he was hamstrung by Green's defensive "philosophies," or if he just comes up short. If he's found wanting, then by all means, find someone else. But relatively speaking, I think CP is the best DC we could have this year.

I don't think I was ever "up in arms" about his retention...I admit I don't like it much given the defensive product we have seen overall the past few years but I am not totally down on it. As for the meddling by the Cards FO...well, it isn't out of the realm of possibility but I am not worrying about that.

I think it is important that he get extended however...incredibly important. This defense isn't world class by any means. We know there were issues during meetings with Pendy and the players. I think if things go poorly to start, the defense may very well cash it in knowing Pendy will be gone. I freely admit when it looked like Pendy would be gone this year they didn't do that...but a second year of this scenario could prove otherwise.

I would think a one year extension would be just fine so the Cards could get off the hook without much damage and the players would know his job is somewhat safe.

Personally, I don't think Denny had much to do with the defensive shortcomings and I think Pendy had alot more responsibility for the crap we saw this year. This is why I guess I am lukewarm on this.
 

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Well, what are some other examples?
How about how he's managed to get consistent pressure on the QB with Wilson despite other teams knowing that Wilson is going to blitz an inordinant amount for a SS?

How about successful utilzation of 3, 4 and 5 man fronts?

Most of our defensive woes last year didn't come from game-long breakdowns but a single big play here and there. I think that's a larger problem than defensive schemes, and can be attributed to an overall lack of discipline instilled by Green's disfunctional coaching style.
 

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A defense is only "successful" if the team wins games. "Innovation" is only successful when it works. Blitzing strong safeties have been present in the NFL since the 4-6 defense or the Tampa-2 featuring John Lynch. The difference is that those defenses were successful at winning games. Pendergast's have not been.

You can choose to say that it wasn't Pendergast's fault. That's fine. But that's still relying on hope to bring success. I personally don't care whether it was Pendergast's fault. I'd rather move in a piece that I'm pretty sure is going to work than hope that the one that failed the past three years doesn't this one.
 

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- That Bertrand Berry can stay healthy 16 games.
- That Clancy Pendergast can figure out a way to put together a complete game
- That Antrel Rolle comes back healthy and plays like a #6 overall draft pick
- That Eric Green can put it together
- That a good cornerback becomes available in free agency and we sign him
- That the offensive line's ascent to mediocrity at the end of the season can be sustained
- That we can find a workable WLB in free agency or the draft
These "hopes" remain no matter who you put in there. You think Coyer worried too much about Bailey "working out?" We don't know if Coyer or Lewis would have successfully put together a defense week in and week out, because they weren't faced with these challenges. Any DC that comes in here would face the same challenges and, I think, be met with similar results.

JMHO
 

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No, but I don't think that Pendergast had to "hope" that Adrian Wilson showed up. I do know that Coyer had to worry about what Darrent Williams was going to show up, and whether or not his defensive line wouldn't all fall over at once. Despite that, he had one of the best defenses in the NFL the first quarter of the season. Had Pendergast ever had that kind of run?

Is Antrel Rolle just a bust, or has Pendergast failed to use him effectively the entire past season? We'll never know, but is there reason to expect that Pendergast will suddenly figure out how to use him after having him for two years?

I'm still wondering why you think it's a better idea to hope that someone with no record of success suddenly establishes one than bring in someone who does have a history of success and expecting him to maintain it? Why is that?
 

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I'm still wondering why you think it's a better idea to hope that someone with no record of success suddenly establishes one than bring in someone who does have a history of success and expecting him to maintain it? Why is that?
I've stated it in this thread. I like CP's innovation. I like that he's not running static defenses out there. I like that despite some things not working out, he doesn't stop mixing things up.

Again, JMHO. You have yours, I have mine.
 

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No, but I don't think that Pendergast had to "hope" that Adrian Wilson showed up. I do know that Coyer had to worry about what Darrent Williams was going to show up, and whether or not his defensive line wouldn't all fall over at once.
You misunderstood my point. I meant that whoever was coaching the Cardinals would have had to deal with the "hopes" you pointed out.

As for Williams, yeah he gave up some big plays--but it wasn't compounded by the guy on the otherside being hot and cold, too. He only had to worry about one side of the field in that case.
 

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To his credit Pendergast's 2004 defense is the only Cardinal D since Ryan in
1994 to finish higher than 22nd in scoring Defense (12th). That 2004 defense also allowed 16 fewer TD's than the horrible 2003 team and also the fewest since 1994.

While that '04 team finished dead last in rushing ypc D they only allowed 13 rushing TD's and finished 9th in pass defense.

Sadly, things went downhill from there and the Cards returned to their usual perch in the bottom 10 in scoring defense.
 

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You misunderstood my point. I meant that whoever was coaching the Cardinals would have had to deal with the "hopes" you pointed out.

As for Williams, yeah he gave up some big plays--but it wasn't compounded by the guy on the otherside being hot and cold, too. He only had to worry about one side of the field in that case.

No, I understand what you're saying. Yes, Coyer didn't have to worry about Bailey's corner, but he had to worry about both his safeties and his defensive line. Pendergast never had to worry about those things, nor did he have to worry about two of his three linebacker spots. He had to worry about his corners and his WLB. My biggest problem is that, even after 16 games, he never found the answer to those problems. What was successful at the beginning of the season--namely blitzing Adrian Wilson and Karlos Dansby and using Darnell Dockett to collapse the pocket and draw double teams and use three safeties in the nickel package instead of the ree corners--was still successful, but he never developed an answer to the problems at the corners nor the weakside linebacker post. And his experiment with Calvin Pace at SLB was an abject failure.

Innovation's only a good thing if it works. Belichick's one-lineman formation would be a punchline if it hadn't been so successful at confusing the top QB in the game for three years.
 

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A defense is only "successful" if the team wins games. "Innovation" is only successful when it works. Blitzing strong safeties have been present in the NFL since the 4-6 defense or the Tampa-2 featuring John Lynch. The difference is that those defenses were successful at winning games. Pendergast's have not been.

You can choose to say that it wasn't Pendergast's fault. That's fine. But that's still relying on hope to bring success. I personally don't care whether it was Pendergast's fault. I'd rather move in a piece that I'm pretty sure is going to work than hope that the one that failed the past three years doesn't this one.

I am probably making much ado about nothing that I have been thinking about but......weren't the Cards on the plus side of the takeaway/giveaway ratio( I believe that is what it is refered to as) this year? Maybe even for the last three years?

If they did at least last year what if the following happens this year; the Cards with a hopefully improved O especially in the red zone become much more efficient in converting the TO's they get from the D into TD's instead of FG's(several crucial ones that were missed as well) this year? Wouldn't that help the D? Wouldn't that take some heat off of them? Oh yeah throw in a hopefully improved ST squad this year too.
 

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I am probably making much ado about nothing that I have been thinking about but......weren't the Cards on the plus side of the takeaway/giveaway ratio( I believe that is what it is refered to as) this year? Maybe even for the last three years?
Last year we were 5th in the NFL with 33 takeaways (+3 overall).

2005 we were 24th in the league with 26 takeaways (-11 overall).

2004 we were 15th in the NFL with 30 takeaways (+1 overall).

2003, the year before Clancy arrived, we were 24th in takeaways with 23 and we finished -13 in turnovers.
 

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They were improved in the giveaway-takeaway ratio this year. Well on the plus side. But how much of that comes from a much more conservative offense as well as a more opportunistic defense? At the same time, I don't think that the Cards' corners collected an INT until Week 17. That's problematic.
 

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Innovation's only a good thing if it works.
Much of his innovation HAS worked. The defense is improved for it. As I stated before, I think the defense fell down on the job a play or two a game, leading to big plays. I think that's a discipline problem more than a scheme problem.

As an example, how many potentially game-changing INTs did Rolle drop? CP put him the the position to make the play--that's the DC's job. It's up to Rolle to make the play.
 

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Last year we were 5th in the NFL with 33 takeaways (+3 overall).

2005 we were 24th in the league with 26 takeaways (-11 overall).

2004 we were 15th in the NFL with 30 takeaways (+1 overall).

2003, the year before Clancy arrived, we were 24th in takeaways with 23 and we finished -13 in turnovers.

Thanks Renz.
 
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Cards’ Whisenhunt names his coordinators
By Darren Urban, Tribune January 25, 2007

Once Ken Whisenhunt talked football philosophy with Clancy Pendergast, the new Cardinals coach realized he could mesh with the team’s holdover defensive coordinator. Whisenhunt already knew he would work well with Todd Haley, since the two had already done so with the New York Jets.

So the inevitable happened Thursday, when Whisenhunt officially named Pendergast his “new” defensive coordinator and brought in Haley — who had been with the Dallas Cowboys — to be his offensive coordinator.

Along with the hiring of assistant head coach/offensive line coach Russ Grimm, the core of Whisenhunt’s staff is now in place.

“I think I learned a little bit in Pittsburgh, which (had) a good staff, you need the right mix of coaches,” Whisenhunt said. “(The Bidwills) have done a good job of, when we have identified the coaches we wanted, they got them. Russ Grimm is a great example of that.”

Whisenhunt said he didn’t want to rush hiring the rest of his staff, and acknowledged one reason so few offensive coaches had been hired was because he wanted the coordinator in place to help chose candidates.

Now he has that with Haley, who was a receivers coach and passing game coordinator with the Cowboys for three seasons under Bill Parcells.

Haley, who turns 40 next month, worked with Whisenhunt on the Jets’ staff in 2000. He was part of a Cowboys offense that ranked fifth in the NFL this past season.

All along, Whisenhunt had targeted him for the Cards’ staff, but Haley was under contract with Dallas. The Cowboys didn’t let him out until they decided to hire Jason Garrett to be their new offensive coordinator.

Even with Haley, Whisenhunt, with his own offensive coordinator background, will call plays and generally shape the offense himself.

But, said Whisenhunt, Haley’s “value (is) organizing the plan and being involved in putting it in and making sure the staff is on the same page. He gives me a crutch to lean on to maybe not be as involved as far as the planning aspect but still having time to prepare, especially calling the games.”

Whisenhunt and Haley must come up with an offense that carries with it the physical traits Whisenhunt wants but also allowing for the offensive talent of quarterback Matt Leinart and receivers Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald.

“I asked (Whisenhunt) about that, what type of offense we will run,” Leinart said. “He wants a hard-nosed running game, but he also wants to implement all sorts of fun things for me and the skill guys we got.

“I told him, 'Coach, we have two of the best receivers in the game.’ … It all goes on the personnel we have. He’s going to bring his style of football, but he made it clear to me we are going to be throwing the football as well.”

The Cardinals’ defensive players already have an idea of how Pendergast will run the show, although Whisenhunt’s failure to officially announce Pendergast’s hiring cast doubt on whether Pendergast would stay.

Whisenhunt called that an “oversight” Thursday, saying he has known for a while Pendergast would be his defensive coordinator. Pendergast, who has held the same position since Dennis Green hired him in 2004, has already been part of the process in hiring defensive assistants.

“I think (Pendergast) is an extremely bright young coach, and the value of continuity on defense is a good thing,” Whisenhunt said.

The Cardinals’ defense ranked 12th in 2004 and eighth in 2005 but fell to 29th last season. Whisenhunt said part of his discussions with Pendergast were about the drop-off. Asked about Pendergast’s answers, Whisenhunt said he preferred for the reasons to stay in-house but added he was comfortable with what Pendergast said.

Pendergast’s appearance on the staff means the Cards ended up with three of their head coaching candidates — Pendergast, Whisenhunt and Grimm — on staff.

Defensive quality control coach Rick Courtright, the final holdover coach from Green’s staff, is expected to remain with Pendergast.

Contact Darren Urban by email, or phone (480) 898-6525
 
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They were improved in the giveaway-takeaway ratio this year. Well on the plus side. But how much of that comes from a much more conservative offense as well as a more opportunistic defense? At the same time, I don't think that the Cards' corners collected an INT until Week 17. That's problematic.

I am daydreaming about the Cards having a more aggressive and improved red zone O while at the same time reducing last season's TO's in half. Plus if ST squads can improve( signifigantly better punt and KO coverage especially) then the D will hopefully morethan likely have a lead to take the field with increasingly and better field postion starting out also.

If the Cards can develop a more consistent pass rush and simply maintain their run stopping ability the CB's perhaps won't have to worry as much about rush support and possibly focus on coverage more. Ahhhh too many if's I know.
 
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The long and short of it is that we're stuck with Clancy Pendergast for another season and the front office determined that the best course of action was not to even consider talking to any of the well-qualified people outside of the organization. That's fine. You can grind your teeth over it or you can get over it. One's definitely less expensive on the dental work.

I hope Pendergast can turn it around. Good luck to him.
 

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