Cards OL Ranking... Ouch

[SeattleCard]

Not a surprise to anyone on this board..

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/20/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-second-quarter/

 

[GuernseyCard]

Not a surprise to anyone on this board..

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/20/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-second-quarter/

The decision on Colledge in the offseason is hardly as foregone as some may believe.

 

[freebyrd]

and yet somehow it doesn't seem that bad, at least we're winning but we have games it seems where we pass block decent and when we run block ok but never in the same game its either or,
i hope getting cooper back and picking up something in the draft and free agency next year settles this issue once and for all,

i don't guess sowell is the answer
can he play any interior positions i wonder?

 

[kerouac9]

Hm... I was just told that trading Levi Brown was an improvement, and that the line is now settled.

It seems that the quality of the line has, in fact, declined since #75 was sent packing.

Sarcasm aside, it's worth reminding ourselves that PFF's rankings are far from authoritative, and that a player could do his job in the design of the play and still get a negative score in PFF's rankings.

Based on effectiveness (outcomes, not processes), Football Outsiders ranks our OL as 23rd blocking the run and 21st in pass protection. Not good, but not an utter disaster.

 

[Totally_Red]

Hm... I was just told that trading Levi Brown was an improvement, and that the line is now settled.

It seems that the quality of the line has, in fact, declined since #75 was sent packing.

Sarcasm aside, it's worth reminding ourselves that PFF's rankings are far from authoritative, and that a player could do his job in the design of the play and still get a negative score in PFF's rankings.

Based on effectiveness (outcomes, not processes), Football Outsiders ranks our OL as 23rd blocking the run and 21st in pass protection. Not good, but not an utter disaster.

Last year was an injury-riddled disaster. This year is an improvement, but still not good enough to compete with the Niners and Seahawks.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The decision on Colledge in the offseason is hardly as foregone as some may believe.

I for one hope you are dead wrong.

Is Daryn Colledge worth $7,275,000 against the cap for next season ?

Is Daryn Colledge worth cutting to save $2,725,000 against the cap next season ?

Is Daryn Colledge THAT much better than Paul Fanaika, or Bradley Sowell ?

Because when Jonathan Cooper comes back Colledge goes back to playing RG.

Just makes too much sense to cut him, IMO

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cool article.

Only 13 NFL teams have a positive rating.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

]Hm... I was just told that trading Levi Brown was an improvement, and that the line is now settled.

It seems that the quality of the line has, in fact, declined since #75 was sent packing. [/B]

Sarcasm aside, it's worth reminding ourselves that PFF's rankings are far from authoritative, and that a player could do his job in the design of the play and still get a negative score in PFF's rankings.

Based on effectiveness (outcomes, not processes), Football Outsiders ranks our OL as 23rd blocking the run and 21st in pass protection. Not good, but not an utter disaster.

The #1 thing to keep in mind when reading these articles.

But, until someone comes out with something better this is the best tool to use to compare offensive linemen for the casual fan, but again, you gotta take it with a grain of salt like you said.

 

[Catfish]

Hm... I was just told that trading Levi Brown was an improvement, and that the line is now settled.

It seems that the quality of the line has, in fact, declined since #75 was sent packing.

Sarcasm aside, it's worth reminding ourselves that PFF's rankings are far from authoritative, and that a player could do his job in the design of the play and still get a negative score in PFF's rankings.

Based on effectiveness (outcomes, not processes), Football Outsiders ranks our OL as 23rd blocking the run and 21st in pass protection. Not good, but not an utter disaster.

I have always felt that PFF's concentration on processes is a poor way to judge any performance. I liken their efforts to the efficiency experts of the 70's, who concentrated so much on being efficient, that they often produced efforts that were ineffective.

 

[Reddog]

Having a sucky O line doesn't appear to be hurting Seattle at #30. If Winston is so much worse than Massie why isn't Massie sniffing the field?

 

[cardncubfan]

Hm... I was just told that trading Levi Brown was an improvement, and that the line is now settled.

It seems that the quality of the line has, in fact, declined since #75 was sent packing.

Sarcasm aside, it's worth reminding ourselves that PFF's rankings are far from authoritative, and that a player could do his job in the design of the play and still get a negative score in PFF's rankings.

Based on effectiveness (outcomes, not processes), Football Outsiders ranks our OL as 23rd blocking the run and 21st in pass protection. Not good, but not an utter disaster.

According to Bucky he is the worst OL player to ever play the game.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Having a sucky O line doesn't appear to be hurting Seattle at #30. If Winston is so much worse than Massie why isn't Massie sniffing the field?

It does hurt. Wilson has been under incredible pressure all season and its caused a lot of short possession drives which increases pressure on the defense, poor 3rd down conversion success and pretty poor execution within the 30 yard line - so many times settling for FGs, turning the ball over on sacks/blown up plays, penalties pushing them out of FG range, blocked FG returned for a TD, blown FG returned for a TD (although not all on the OL for that one)

The bad OL play has kept many games a lot closer than they needed to be - not to mention they've had their hands full against really good defensive fronts (Carolina, St.L, AZ, SF) as well as some tremendous invidual players (Mathis, Watt)

When they've played teams that couldn't get pressure and allowed the offense to operate in more of a full manner they've had some really good results (Atl, MN)

We're all just hoping that the return on the OTs will improve the OL from awful to average

 

[JeffGollin]

Caution...

I believe these are only First Quarter rankings. We're now 2 games into our third quarter.

Not that I expect those numbers to be a gazillion percent better, but I think more up-to-date numbers will indicate we've improved.

 

[kerouac9]

I believe these are only First Quarter rankings. We're now 2 games into our third quarter.

Not that I expect those numbers to be a gazillion percent better, but I think more up-to-date numbers will indicate we've improved.

Read the link, Jeff. The ratings are for OL through Week 11, and their first quarter ranking (for the Cards, 27th) in parentheses following the cumulative Week 11 rankings. D'oh. Wrong again.

For those saying that the OL problem hasn't hurt Seattle--take a look at Marshawn Lynch's YPC numbers from last year vs. this year so far. It makes a difference.

 

[Buckybird]

According to Bucky he is the worst OL player to ever play the game.

Hes diffantly one of the worst Olineman of his era, that started that high number of nfl games. If you don't think this Oline is playing better than with #75 in it then you are either high, drunk or lost your mind! It's playing better as an entire unit IMO.

I said the Oline would be better off without Levi in it & obviously the GM & HC agreed with that assessment by trading him for absolutely zero in return & starting an undrafted LT in his place!

Coencidence? I think not!
320 yds game vs 340 per game
2-2 record vs 4-2 record
17 points game vs 25 per game

I think it would be safe to say that Levi ****ing Brown allowed more sacks in the NFL during his tenure in AZ than anyone else in the league...and if not, he was at the top of that list! 79 career starts, 48.5 sacks allowed...52 career starts at LT, 29.5 sacks allowed! Those numbers are staggeringly bad and the numbers don't lie!!!

Now get over it!

 

[kerouac9]

If you don't think this Oline is playing better than with #75 in it then you are either high, drunk or lost your mind! It's playing better as an entire unit IMO.

I said the Oline would be better off without Levi in it & obviously the GM & HC agreed with that assessment by trading him for absolutely zero in return & starting an undrafted LT in his place!

Coencidence? I think not!
320 yds game vs 340 per game
2-2 record vs 4-2 record
17 points game vs 25 per game

I think it would be safe to say that Levi ****ing Brown allowed more sacks in the NFL during his tenure in AZ than anyone...and if not, he was at the top of that list! 79 career starts, 48.5 sacks allowed...52 career starts at LT, 29.5 sacks allowed! Those numbers are staggeringly bad and the numbers don't lie!!!

Now get over it!

Well, those who are influenced by large numbers of exclamation points were likely persuaded by this post.

 

[Buckybird]

Well, those who are influenced by large numbers of exclamation points were likely persuaded by this post.

!!! lol

Thanks for the obvious k9

 

[JeffGollin]

Read the link, Jeff. The ratings are for OL through Week 11, and their first quarter ranking (for the Cards, 27th) in parentheses following the cumulative Week 11 rankings. D'oh. Wrong again.

For those saying that the OL problem hasn't hurt Seattle--take a look at Marshawn Lynch's YPC numbers from last year vs. this year so far. It makes a difference.

Sorry - I read the story, but confused the large headline type (which referred to First Quarter) with the smaller type above it (which referred to 2Q).

 

[cardncubfan]

Now get over it!

If only you would.

 

[Buckybird]

If only you would.

You're the one who brought it up & fired a shot like many times before

Guess which one of my 10 fingers is pointed upwards?

 

[GuernseyCard]

I for one hope you are dead wrong.

Is Daryn Colledge worth $7,275,000 against the cap for next season ?

Is Daryn Colledge worth cutting to save $2,725,000 against the cap next season ?

Is Daryn Colledge THAT much better than Paul Fanaika, or Bradley Sowell ?

Because when Jonathan Cooper comes back Colledge goes back to playing RG.

Just makes too much sense to cut him, IMO

1. Redo his deal.

2. Yes, he's better than both Sowell and Fanika.

New LT - Cooper - Sendlein - Colledge - Massie.

 

[Chopper0080]

1. Redo his deal.

2. Yes, he's better than both Sowell and Fanika.

New LT - Cooper - Sendlein - Colledge - Massie.

I understand what you are saying, but how far are you going to extend an old OG? There isn't a way he stays on this team without being vastly overpaid. With having to address either the LT or RT position in free agency, more than likely the Cardinals will use the money from cutting Colledge to upgrade outside. I think we see an interior of Cooper, Fanaika and Watford.

 

[kerouac9]

I understand what you are saying, but how far are you going to extend an old OG? There isn't a way he stays on this team without being vastly overpaid. With having to address either the LT or RT position in free agency, more than likely the Cardinals will use the money from cutting Colledge to upgrade outside. I think we see an interior of Cooper, Fanaika and Watford.

Are you as confident in this as you were that Senio Kelemete was an emergent starter like 9 months ago?

 

[Duckjake]

Are you as confident in this as you were that Senio Kelemete was an emergent starter like 9 months ago?

Writes a guy who said Daryl Washington would never be a big time NFL player.

Every one of us has missed on players. Especially me. All I have to do is write one sentence about a Cardinal player being good and he immediately goes in the tank. It can even happen in the "game thread".

 

[Buckybird]

Are you as confident in this as you were that Senio Kelemete was an emergent starter like 9 months ago?

I think Choppers right K9. Unless Colledge takes a substantial pay cut, he's probably an ex-Card. We're close to the cap & have other players needing extensions. And yes I feel comfortable in Watford & Cooper!