Cards Pick 4th

[TheCardFan]

Many evaluators put Fashanu before Alt. While Alt probably has a slight edge at the moment in run blocking Fashanu’s overall ability likely means he will equal or pass Alt at some point. Both are excellent OT prospects and either one improves the Cards, though I still go WR first.

If you had to guess - which one (Alt or Olu) has the biggest probability of not living up to expectations?

Think Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Jedrick Wills, Mekhi Becton, etc

 

[BACH]

If you had to guess - which one (Alt or Olu) has the biggest probability of not living up to expectations?

Think Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Jedrick Wills, Mekhi Becton, etc

Work Ethics, technique and smarts are usually better indicators than pure size. The oversized OTs with nimble feet are usually the ones most prone to failing - see Becton on that list.

 

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[TheCardFan]

Work Ethics, technique and smarts are usually better indicators than pure size. The oversized OTs with nimble feet are usually the ones most prone to failing - see Becton on that list.

Thx. Then Mims from Georgia is an extreme risk (huge/nimble but very injury prone).

 

[Fitz4Ever]

If you had to guess - which one (Alt or Olu) has the biggest probability of not living up to expectations?

Think Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Jedrick Wills, Mekhi Becton, etc

If the expectation is "starting quality LT in the NFL"....then I think Alt has the edge on meeting them. I get he's not his dad...but his dad played in the NFL for a long time. His brother is an NHL player. He's grown up in a house of professional athletes and he knows the kind of work it takes.

Also, he's got 33 starts at LT at one of the premier programs in the nation for O-Lineman. He has been really good for 3 seasons...so he has proven to some degree what his floor is. Anything can happen in the NFL, but I see a small possibility that Alt is a complete bust. I think his floor is journeyman NFL Tackle who plays for several teams over a lengthy career. I think he ceiling is Joe Thomas

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Both those guys are absolutely stars.

They aren't even #1 WR on their own team. We have different definitions of stars.

 

[PlayerHater]

Exactly. Chicago is NOT passing on taking a QB at #1 again. Fields has never beaten the Packers.

Yah I can't imagine them passing on the top QB again. They are in a position to get the #1 QB and #2 WR in the draft while also resetting their QB salary clock.

 

[kerouac9]

They aren't even #1 WR on their own team. We have different definitions of stars.

I guess? There are more than one WR on the field at one time?

Davonta Smith has two consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and had over 900 yards as a rookie.

Waddle has three consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and lead the league in YPC in 2022.

Just because these guys are paired with Superstars across from them doesn't take anything away from their accomplishments. Such a weird take.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I guess? There are more than one WR on the field at one time?

Davonta Smith has two consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and had over 900 yards as a rookie.

Waddle has three consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and lead the league in YPC in 2022.

Just because these guys are paired with Superstars across from them doesn't take anything away from their accomplishments. Such a weird take.

I'm not as sold on Smith but I do think that Waddle clearly is a star.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm not as sold on Smith but I do think that Waddle clearly is a star.

Smith would be our #1 Wr…as would the #2 Wr on about 15 other teams.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Smith would be our #1 Wr…as would the #2 Wr on about 15 other teams.

You have a chance at being our #1 WR as things stand now

 

[slanidrac16]

You have a chance at being our #1 WR as things stand now

I don’t know. At 70 with a full knee replacement planned in February, I’m not sure I can be as sharp on my pass routes.
But I still might be better than Greens final year! lol!

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not as sold on Smith but I do think that Waddle clearly is a star.

FWIW (and I don't watch a ton of Eagles games so YMMV), if Hollywood Brown had been as productive as DeVonta Smith we'd be much more excited about him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I guess? There are more than one WR on the field at one time?

Davonta Smith has two consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and had over 900 yards as a rookie.

Waddle has three consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons and lead the league in YPC in 2022.

Just because these guys are paired with Superstars across from them doesn't take anything away from their accomplishments. Such a weird take.

Brandon Aiyuk has back to back 1000 yard seasons. Outside of SF, I don't think he's considered a star. Very good and productive player but not a "star".

 

[kerouac9]

Brandon Aiyuk has back to back 1000 yard seasons. Outside of SF, I don't think he's considered a star. Very good and productive player but not a "star".

Me sitting in Gilbert, AZ considers him a star.

I think you're overlooking the very important impact fantasy football has on the national profile of skill position players.

DeVonta Smith's positional rankings (past three years): 30th, 10th, 22nd.
Jaylen Waddle's positional rankings: 21st, 7th, 32nd.
Brandon Aiyuk's positional rankings: 34th, 15th, 10th.

For millions of football fans these players are highly desirable and closely tracked.

 

[slanidrac16]

Me sitting in Gilbert, AZ considers him a star.

I think you're overlooking the very important impact fantasy football has on the national profile of skill position players.

DeVonta Smith's positional rankings (past three years): 30th, 10th, 22nd.
Jaylen Waddle's positional rankings: 21st, 7th, 32nd.
Brandon Aiyuk's positional rankings: 34th, 15th, 10th.

For millions of football fans these players are highly desirable and closely tracked.

And what doe all the players mentioned above have in common?
A great counterpart.
Smith has Brown
Waddle has Tyreek
Aiyuk has Samuel.

We need two WR’s and I don’t want Hollywood.

 

[kerouac9]

BTW: Hollywood brown's past three seasons' fantasy rankings were 25th, 47th, 52nd.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Me sitting in Gilbert, AZ considers him a star.

I think you're overlooking the very important impact fantasy football has on the national profile of skill position players.

DeVonta Smith's positional rankings (past three years): 30th, 10th, 22nd.
Jaylen Waddle's positional rankings: 21st, 7th, 32nd.
Brandon Aiyuk's positional rankings: 34th, 15th, 10th.

For millions of football fans these players are highly desirable and closely tracked.

Never said they weren't desirable. If you average out their positional rankings, as a group, you have the 20th ranked WR. Very good and I'd want him on the Cards but not a star to me.
Were Michael Floyd and John Brown(twice), both 1000 yard receivers, stars? No, but I sure was glad when they had those years for the Cardinals.
Like I said, we just have different definitions of a star. To me, for WR's it's probably an annual top 10 or so ranking.

 

[kerouac9]

Never said they weren't desirable. If you average out their positional rankings, as a group, you have the 20th ranked WR. Very good and I'd want him on the Cards but not a star to me.
Were Michael Floyd and John Brown(twice), both 1000 yard receivers, stars? No, but I sure was glad when they had those years for the Cardinals.
Like I said, we just have different definitions of a star. To me, for WR's it's probably an annual top 10 or so ranking.

Michael Floyd never got better than 32nd in fantasy ranking; John Brown was 22nd his second year and 19th in 2019 with the Bills. I think if they'd been able to stack those seasons a little more, maybe they'd be stars. Floyd was on that trajectory and kind of got stepped on/pushed aside by John Brown. He never really recovered.

I guess I just have a finer distinction than you. Top 10 are superstars; there's a level above that of elite players. If you don't have tiers between DeVonta Smith and Christian Kirk, more power to ya.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Well, Kirk had 1108 yards and 8 TD's last year to Smith's 1196 and 7 and this year was on pace basically his 3rd straight 1000 yard season (982 his last year the Cards) so, no, I don't see much of a tier between the 2.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Michael Floyd never got better than 32nd in fantasy ranking; John Brown was 22nd his second year and 19th in 2019 with the Bills. I think if they'd been able to stack those seasons a little more, maybe they'd be stars. Floyd was on that trajectory and kind of got stepped on/pushed aside by John Brown. He never really recovered.

Floyd was publicly called out for laziness by Fitz and then was popped for a DUI. His trajectory was derailed by nobody but himself.

 

[Mulli]

Well, Kirk had 1108 yards and 8 TD's last year to Smith's 1196 and 7 and this year was on pace basically his 3rd straight 1000 yard season (982 his last year the Cards) so, no, I don't see much of a tier between the 2.

Wow

 

[CardNots]

Floyd was publicly called out for laziness by Fitz and then was popped for a DUI. His trajectory was derailed by nobody but himself.

I don’t think your reference is the same Floyd

 

[kerouac9]

Well, Kirk had 1108 yards and 8 TD's last year to Smith's 1196 and 7 and this year was on pace basically his 3rd straight 1000 yard season (982 his last year the Cards) so, no, I don't see much of a tier between the 2.

So just to be clear you see no difference between a guy who has eclipsed 1000 yards receiving once and another who has done it the past two seasons. That's what you're gonna run with.

Kirk is closer to Hollywood than he is the Slim Reaper. Neither of the former are stars. I'm trying to determine if you really think that everyone who isn't a top 10 WR is just a guy in the NFL. Like, is Ja'Marr Chase (12th in yardage) not a star? What about Stefon Diggs (13th)? Is Nico Collins (8th) a star? Amon-Ra St. Brown (3rd). Justin Jefferson had 1074 yards this season -- is he indistinguishable from Christian Kirk for you? Garrett Wilson had 1042 yards and 2 TDs -- do you look at him and see Adam Thielen (1014/4)?

I don’t think your reference is the same Floyd

They are the same Michael Floyd.

 

[CardNots]

So just to be clear you see no difference between a guy who has eclipsed 1000 yards receiving once and another who has done it the past two seasons. That's what you're gonna run with.

Kirk is closer to Hollywood than he is the Slim Reaper. Neither of the former are stars. I'm trying to determine if you really think that everyone who isn't a top 10 WR is just a guy in the NFL. Like, is Ja'Marr Chase (12th in yardage) not a star? What about Stefon Diggs (13th)? Is Nico Collins (8th) a star? Amon-Ra St. Brown (3rd). Justin Jefferson had 1074 yards this season -- is he indistinguishable from Christian Kirk for you? Garrett Wilson had 1042 yards and 2 TDs -- do you look at him and see Adam Thielen (1014/4)?


They are the same Michael Floyd.

Obviously I don’t get the Brown stepped on him comment. I’ll move on…