Cards Post Super Bowl Direction

[JohnnyCakes]

Two total non-factors IMO. We need a strong 4 man rush. Right now we have one piece of this, the 3 technique in D. Robinson, if he develops. Philly showed the blueprint, have a DT so big, strong, and disruptive that he eats 2 blockers and still caves the front of the line, leaving the other 3 rushers in 1 on 1s.

If the FO agrees that D. Rob is the 3 of the future, they need to fill out the other spots. Consider they probably think BJ and Zaven tag-team one edge spot, that leaves the power DT and a dominating edge rusher to be gained in this offseason.

very much agree

 

[kerouac9]

Is this one of those worlds in the multiverse you regularly (and rightly) criticize others of creating when there’s no on field evidence.

I apply the multiverse tag when someone says "If that penalty hadn't been called we win the game." That's real multiverse stuff.

Forward-looking, you're just discussing probabilities. Barrett Browning is 25 and has seasons with 5.0 and 4.5 sacks (which were marred by injuries). Jost Sweat is 27, played around much higher talent(ish-- some of those Denver defenses were no joke), and has one double-digit sack season.

Sweat profiles to me as Markus Golden. I loved Golden when he was here more than many -- maybe most. But I'm not going to pay him like he's Chandler Jones, either.

Yeah I think Sweat will command at least $17M+ as he is the only real FA option at Edge this offseason. He won't be cheap that is for sure!

I would still pay Sweat that money and I would also pay Browning. That would give the Cardinals 2 solid options at edge to pair with a big question mark in BJ who is coming off another injury. This would also free up the Cardinals draft picks allowing them to take the BPA vs forcing an early pick at Edge. Thus I would select some combination of OT and DT with the first two picks depending on who falls where.

I don't know. It's crazy that Sweat is a seven-year vet and only 27 years old. Started three games over the first three years of his career.

I don't think it makes sense to pay your Edge room $30 million+ per year (which is about what Browning, Sweat, and Collins would add up to) and not have anyone you expect opposing coordinators to lose sleep over. I don't think Josh Sweat really solves your problem.

 

[kerouac9]

Two total non-factors IMO. We need a strong 4 man rush. Right now we have one piece of this, the 3 technique in D. Robinson, if he develops. Philly showed the blueprint, have a DT so big, strong, and disruptive that he eats 2 blockers and still caves the front of the line, leaving the other 3 rushers in 1 on 1s.

If the FO agrees that D. Rob is the 3 of the future, they need to fill out the other spots. Consider they probably think BJ and Zaven tag-team one edge spot, that leaves the power DT and a dominating edge rusher to be gained in this offseason.

I don't know how you can convince yourself that D. Rob is part of the solution but not think that Beej can be another option. Beej and Collins played across from each other most of the time two years ago.

 

[BritCard]

Yeah I think Sweat will command at least $17M+ as he is the only real FA option at Edge this offseason. He won't be cheap that is for sure!

I would still pay Sweat that money and I would also pay Browning. That would give the Cardinals 2 solid options at edge to pair with a big question mark in BJ who is coming off another injury. This would also free up the Cardinals draft picks allowing them to take the BPA vs forcing an early pick at Edge. Thus I would select some combination of OT and DT with the first two picks depending on who falls where.

You could likely get Reddick and Browning for the cost of Sweat.

The other concern about Sweat is he's never been the guy, he's peaked at 11 sacks on one of the most stacked D lines in the league. On any other D line he's going to be Baron Browning.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I apply the multiverse tag when someone says "If that penalty hadn't been called we win the game." That's real multiverse stuff.

Forward-looking, you're just discussing probabilities. Barrett Browning is 25 and has seasons with 5.0 and 4.5 sacks (which were marred by injuries). Jost Sweat is 27, played around much higher talent(ish-- some of those Denver defenses were no joke), and has one double-digit sack season.

Sweat profiles to me as Markus Golden. I loved Golden when he was here more than many -- maybe most. But I'm not going to pay him like he's Chandler Jones, either.



I don't know. It's crazy that Sweat is a seven-year vet and only 27 years old. Started three games over the first three years of his career.

I don't think it makes sense to pay your Edge room $30 million+ per year (which is about what Browning, Sweat, and Collins would add up to) and not have anyone you expect opposing coordinators to lose sleep over. I don't think Josh Sweat really solves your problem.

Would prefer Milton Williams and edge at 16….then go o line at 47 and wr in the third…bet the price went up for Milton after the Super Bowl…I offer a 4 year 96 million dollar contract and see if he bites

 

[Stout]

I am curious to see if we see a greater sense of urgency from Monti this offseason.

Be ready for disappointment. The passive ho-hum approach is Monti's approach. He makes the human snail look fast

Okay, maybe not, but they have similar urgency levels lol

 

[kerouac9]

Would prefer Milton Williams and edge at 16….then go o line at 47 and wr in the third…bet the price went up for Milton after the Super Bowl…I offer a 4 year 96 million dollar contract and see if he bites

I know he had a good Super Bowl, but he's started 19 games over four NFL seasons. He had five sacks last year. You want to pay him like Derrick Brown and Quinnen Williams. That's crazytown.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Would prefer Milton Williams and edge at 16….then go o line at 47 and wr in the third…bet the price went up for Milton after the Super Bowl…I offer a 4 year 96 million dollar contract and see if he bites

He'd do more than bite. He'd swallow it whole. 24mill/year is pretty elite. I doubt him or Sweat crack the 20mill mark. Nor should they.

 

[GatorAZ]

Bring in Reddick on incentives and squeeze out whatever he’s got left for a year. Re-sign Browning and see if year 5 is the charm. Draft a pass rusher with one of our first two picks. There’s no quick fix unless we’re trading a superstar edge.

 

[602 Native]

This would be a no-brainer which means it won't happen.

 

[Harry]

I am curious to see if we see a greater sense of urgency from Monti this offseason.

I agree, it’s time to put “the same old Cardinals” thinking to bed. That image must be changed and this free agent group is a good place to start. Getting the right free agent can open up this draft board and vault this team forward. Failing to sign an impact free agent for the defense would be very concerning.

 

[Harry]

Yeah I think Sweat will command at least $17M+ as he is the only real FA option at Edge this offseason. He won't be cheap that is for sure!

I would still pay Sweat that money and I would also pay Browning. That would give the Cardinals 2 solid options at edge to pair with a big question mark in BJ who is coming off another injury. This would also free up the Cardinals draft picks allowing them to take the BPA vs forcing an early pick at Edge. Thus I would select some combination of OT and DT with the first two picks depending on who falls where.

Imagine on passing downs Sweat at one DE and Robinson at the other. Put Browning at OLB behind Robinson. Finally, add a penetrating DT in the middle. There’s your 4 man rush. It looks very disruptive to me.

 

[Harry]

Bring in Reddick on incentives and squeeze out whatever he’s got left for a year. Re-sign Browning and see if year 5 is the charm. Draft a pass rusher with one of our first two picks. There’s no quick fix unless we’re trading a superstar edge.

I don’t trust Reddick’s attitude. If he doesn’t get what he wants from the DC, he’s very disruptive.

 

[unseenaz]

Bring in Reddick on incentives and squeeze out whatever he’s got left for a year. Re-sign Browning and see if year 5 is the charm. Draft a pass rusher with one of our first two picks. There’s no quick fix unless we’re trading a superstar edge.

He just forced his way off 1 team, then refused to play for the team he was traded to. I’d avoid that guy.

 

[Cardiac]

I don’t trust Reddick’s attitude. If he doesn’t get what he wants from the DC, he’s very disruptive.

I believe that JG has a good relationship with Reddick so attitude won't be a problem.

 

[PACardsFan]

DO NOT spend money like a drunken sailor. Not in this free agency, or any free agency period. The only way this team gets to sustainable success is draft & develop, draft and develop.

 

[Stout]

DO NOT spend money like a drunken sailor. Not in this free agency, or any free agency period. The only way this team gets to sustainable success is draft & develop, draft and develop.

Yeah, that's the way we never get to sustainable success--by ignoring ways to add talent to the roster. No FA and no player trading would be dumb. Don't spend like a drunken sailor, but don't be a conservative fool either.

 

[PACardsFan]

Yeah, that's the way we never get to sustainable success--by ignoring ways to add talent to the roster. No FA and no player trading would be dumb. Don't spend like a drunken sailor, but don't be a conservative fool either.

I didn’t say NO FA or no trades. What I said was that we shouldn’t spend money like a drunken sailor in free agency. Making the playoffs for a year or two with very little chance of actually winning a SB and then hitting rock bottom has been the history of this franchise for a very long time. Spending money frivolously in FA only contributes to that. We have to draft better & develop better if we want the ultimate prize, and do it in a manner that is sustainable over time.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I didn’t say NO FA or no trades. What I said was that we shouldn’t spend money like a drunken sailor in free agency. Making the playoffs for a year or two with very little chance of actually winning a SB and then hitting rock bottom has been the history of this franchise for a very long time. Spending money frivolously in FA only contributes to that. We have to draft better & develop better if we want the ultimate prize, and do it in a manner that is sustainable over time.

monti better start spending if he wants to finish out his contract - drunken sailor sounds like a good place to start too - and if we can somehow punch our ticket in the playoffs for a year or two only to hit rock bottom again - sign me up - we aren't the eagles and we aren't going to be the eagles - we're not even a predatory bird - we're bird food

monti has a 3-4 year window to make the playoffs - which i'd personally classify as generous considering the texans and commanders - he already whiffed in will anderson and our o-line is just as pathetic as it was

first time gms stay one time gms when they don't make the playoffs - playoffs is what it's all about - the 1 in 10 chance to make it to the dance - if he's not one of those 10 playoff teams after 4 years he's done - kyler's done - matter fact - if we don't make the playoffs for a year or two they're likely all done - rock bottom again baby

 

[Stout]

I didn’t say NO FA or no trades. What I said was that we shouldn’t spend money like a drunken sailor in free agency. Making the playoffs for a year or two with very little chance of actually winning a SB and then hitting rock bottom has been the history of this franchise for a very long time. Spending money frivolously in FA only contributes to that. We have to draft better & develop better if we want the ultimate prize, and do it in a manner that is sustainable over time.

Then the difference in our opinions lies in degrees. Monti could have easily--and objectively should have--spent more in FA previously to shore up the D without compromising the cap in any way. He is now faced with a FA where the roster is in just as bad a shape, with just as many holes, just as devoid of top-end talent, and with a lot of cap space. If he DOESN'T spend a lot in FA and in extending players, he will be seriously harming our roster and the idea that we are actually building. He shouldn't spend like "a drunken sailor," but by any measure, he must spend more than he has previously.

 

[Totally_Red]

I didn’t say NO FA or no trades. What I said was that we shouldn’t spend money like a drunken sailor in free agency. Making the playoffs for a year or two with very little chance of actually winning a SB and then hitting rock bottom has been the history of this franchise for a very long time. Spending money frivolously in FA only contributes to that. We have to draft better & develop better if we want the ultimate prize, and do it in a manner that is sustainable over time.

Most free agents are free agents for a reason. You almost always have to overpay.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We have to draft better & develop better if we want the ultimate prize, and do it in a manner that is sustainable over time.

Can't wait for Monti to start doing this!

 

[kerouac9]

Most free agents are free agents for a reason. You almost always have to overpay.

I don't think this is true at all. I think that most free agents are properly paid/meet their contract. I have no problem with the money we paid to Froholdt, Evan Brown, and Hernandez. Even the Jonah Williams deal was fine.

There are two types of free agents/intentions for free agency:

1) Filling holes in your roster with NFL-caliber players. This is very easy to do often and efficiently. See the examples above. There are lots of replacement-level free agents that enter the market every year. Many of them actually outplay their free agent contract and then price themselves out of the market later.

2) Upgrading your NFL-caliber players. This is hard and you're likely to overpay. It's easy to find your Zavens Collins in free agency. It's hard to find a Jonathan Greenard or Danielle Hunter on a second or third contract. You often end up overextending yourself to get someone like Jordan Phillips.

 

[BirdGangThing]

if monti wants to miss out on drafting will anderson he can pay for khalil mack