Cards Post Super Bowl Direction

[Stout]

Sad. I am starting to be done with Monti at this point so the idea of keeping him and getting rid of Gannon is Keim-esque. I will give Monti this off-season but I kinda feel the hill he has built will be to steep to climb.

Yeah, in no world should Monti be given a shot with a second coach. It should be the other way around, if it comes to it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, in no world should Monti be given a shot with a second coach. It should be the other way around, if it comes to it.

In my view, Gannon has earned more goodwill.

 

[football karma]

Monti and JG should be safe until they haven't had sustained success with their own QB. They should get their own fair chance rather than be a second regime cleared out because of K1's shortcomings, IMHO.

Maybe it was a condition for getting the job, but both Monti and JG have been emphatic that Kyler is their guy.

i am sure there was a GM candidate or two who advised Mike to move on from K1

 

[Stout]

In my view, Gannon has earned more goodwill.

Exactly.

 

[Harry]

Maybe it was a condition for getting the job, but both Monti and JG have been emphatic that Kyler is their guy.

i am sure there was a GM candidate or two who advised Mike to move on from K1

Like it or not the salary cap continues to restrain many decisions. If there was a mistake made it was giving this giant contract to Murray on the speculation he would become a star rather than forcing him to prove it. Now dooming the Cards to being non-competitive for several years seems like a worse decision than seeing if they could ride out those years with at least a moderately competitive team. After 2025 it becomes practical to make a change without selling off several future years. I’ve previously written that under the financial realities of the NFL anyone interviewing had to endorse Murray to get a shot. Murray, himself, has now gotten that shot and 2025 is put up or shut up time. I know patience is challenging, but I’d urge postponing these demands for action for one more season to make the financial transition practical. With a solid offseason this year and next, the Cards could offer a roster in 2026 that could be structured to contend with the addition of a veteran QB; letting Murray move on to another hopeful suitor.

 

[FB94]

Same as it ever was

 

[oaken1]

Same as it ever was

Just letting the days go by

 

[football karma]

I’ve previously written that under the financial realities of the NFL anyone interviewing had to endorse Murray to get a shot. Murray, himself, has now gotten that shot and 2025 is put up or shut up time.

the Cards and Kyler are in an interesting position

he is in the band of 12-18 kinda QBs

but that also means odds are that the guy you get to replace him will be no better and maybe worse

 

[kerouac9]

the Cards and Kyler are in an interesting position

he is in the band of 12-18 kinda QBs

but that also means odds are that the guy you get to replace him will be no better and maybe worse

Yes. The cost of Kyler’s extension is basically an insurance policy on the next guy being Justin Fields or Mac Jones.

 

[GatorAZ]

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So we’re going into next season relying on BJ Ojulari, a rookie and the Denver edge we traded for?

 

[Cheesebeef]

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So we’re going into next season relying on BJ Ojulari, a rookie and the Denver edge we traded for?

I’m sure we’ll sign some cast off edge. The most likely of that group is probably Reddick because he’s older and will be cheaper than the rest.

 

[kerouac9]

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So we’re going into next season relying on BJ Ojulari, a rookie and the Denver edge we traded for?

Zaven Collins is probably the 40th best edge in the league also.

 

[PACardsFan]

This whole “They doubled their win total!” Argument is excrement. They all but forfeited half of their entire 1st season by literally going into the year with no QB.

Once Kyler came back, they were a middling 3-5 team that equates to winning 6.3 games… versus the next year with a healthy QB, two drafts and two FA classes where all of that equaled winning a little less, but still, middling 8 win team.

So they really improved a whole 2 games with a war chest of draft picks and massive cap room for 2 seasons. Yay.

4 to 8 is double. Everything else you said doesn’t matter a lick.

 

[Stout]

4 to 8 is double. Everything else you said doesn’t matter a lick.

Talk about black and white thinking. The kind of thinking that would be touting a victory if the team went from 1-16 to 2-15. Hey, that's also doubling your victories, which clearly means the world.

 

[BritCard]

Would prefer Milton Williams and edge at 16….then go o line at 47 and wr in the third…bet the price went up for Milton after the Super Bowl…I offer a 4 year 96 million dollar contract and see if he bites

Damn man. I ain't paying $24m a year to a guy that's never had more than 5 sacks and never played more than 47% of snaps.

 

[BritCard]

I don't think this is true at all. I think that most free agents are properly paid/meet their contract. I have no problem with the money we paid to Froholdt, Evan Brown, and Hernandez. Even the Jonah Williams deal was fine.

There are two types of free agents/intentions for free agency:

1) Filling holes in your roster with NFL-caliber players. This is very easy to do often and efficiently. See the examples above. There are lots of replacement-level free agents that enter the market every year. Many of them actually outplay their free agent contract and then price themselves out of the market later.

2) Upgrading your NFL-caliber players. This is hard and you're likely to overpay. It's easy to find your Zavens Collins in free agency. It's hard to find a Jonathan Greenard or Danielle Hunter on a second or third contract. You often end up overextending yourself to get someone like Jordan Phillips.

This is why I prefer to do #1 in FA and do #2 in the draft or via trade.

 

[kerouac9]

This is why I prefer to do #1 in FA and do #2 in the draft or via trade.

Well obviously. But if those picks don’t actually hit you end up with a situation where you let Calais Campbell leave and “replace” him with Robert Nkeimdiche.

 

[BirdGangThing]

going thru some serious football withdrawals - bout to watch the daytona 500

 

[football karma]

4 to 8 is double.

its real progress to go from bottom feeder to competitive.

but the NFL's gravitational pull is towards 8-9 or 9-8

far more progress is necessary to go from 8 to 12 wins than needed to go from 4 to 8.

The FO has its work cut out for it

 

[oaken1]

its real progress to go from bottom feeder to competitive.

but the NFL's gravitational pull is towards 8-9 or 9-8

far more progress is necessary to go from 8 to 12 wins than needed to go from 4 to 8.

The FO has its work cut out for it

I am just sad that now, without a tie, nobody can be a .500 team

9-8 is still basically .500 but it is actually a winning season...missing the added step of being even at 8-8 takes something away

oh well, the league will jump to 18 games in the next couple years and we will have 9-9....current time period will be historically known as the dark ages of undefined mediocrity

 

[BirdGangThing]

going thru some serious football withdrawals - bout to watch the daytona 500

... and it's rained out - lol damn rednecks

 

[oaken1]

... and it's rained out - lol damn rednecks

If rednecks controlled the rain I don't think western north Carolina would have washed away

 

[PACardsFan]

Talk about black and white thinking. The kind of thinking that would be touting a victory if the team went from 1-16 to 2-15. Hey, that's also doubling your victories, which clearly means the world.

Comparing 1-2 and 4-8 is borderline ignorant. But, you’re entitled to your opinion.

 

[PACardsFan]

its real progress to go from bottom feeder to competitive.

but the NFL's gravitational pull is towards 8-9 or 9-8

far more progress is necessary to go from 8 to 12 wins than needed to go from 4 to 8.

The FO has its work cut out for it

I won’t disagree with this. 2025 is a tell tale season for the Cardinals. I’m a lot more optimistic about 2025 than a lot of the whiners on this board are.

 

[Stout]

Comparing 1-2 and 4-8 is borderline ignorant. But, you’re entitled to your opinion.

You touted doubling wins as an automatic improvement and you argued against someone providing context. You're the one doing the above. I simply spelled out your own argument for you.

Monti, Gannon, they have accomplished nothing. You keep going on and on about sustained success when this team hasn't sniffed success yet. This team, that still has as many holes as swiss cheese on the roster and a GM who can't seem to bet the top-end talent you absolutely have to have to win in the NFL. Talk about doing it Monti's way when we actually see Monti's way work, how about.