Cards save $14 million with Palmer retirement

[Chopper0080]

some baseline assumptions that inform my POV:

1. I think NFL years/carries is the better metric in determining when a RBs production starts to go south. I think the NIU redshirt freshman year + this years lost season extends his productivity into his 8th season, or age 31 (he turns 32 in December of the last year of an extended contract). This is the key one -- I beleive he has at least 4 and likely 5 productive seasons ahead of him.

2. 2018 likely doesnt matter as its a rebuilding year. There are more holes than money, and, pending FAs dont line up with the holes. 2018 is the year when a bunch of young players are brought in and you find the 3-5 that can play.

Cap space in 2019, and 2020/2021 really is where i want cap space. Its also a year where i would prefer not having perhaps the teams best offensive player not showing up until the tuesday before the season opener.

3. I think with Bell and Gurley getting new deals, the RB franchise number likely goes up from where you have it. Its $12 from this last year.

If we don't get the QB right in 2018 or 2019, it doesn't make any sense to pay DJ the franchise tag in 2019 or 2020. You are really undervaluing the need to improve our roster ASAP to maximize on ages of Patrick Peterson and Chandler Jones.

I can buy an argument that if the Cardinals do not spend money on other pieces this offseason, under spend on QB, and have an extra 7 mil available, it can make sense to give DJ a contract this year. However, it the Cardinals have an extra 7 mil laying around after two years of missing the playoffs, the quality of our GM will probably be brought to the forefront.

 

[kerouac9]

3. I think with Bell and Gurley getting new deals, the RB franchise number likely goes up from where you have it. Its $12 from this last year.

Todd Gurley is under cost control until after 2019 if the Rams choose to exercise their fifth-year option on him.

 

[football karma]

You are really undervaluing the need to improve our roster ASAP to maximize on ages of Patrick Peterson and Chandler Jones.

so doesnt that say Cousins rather than 1st round QB?

By the time a drafted QB is playing at a playoff level -- PP and Chandler are likely ineffective?

 

[Solar7]

so doesnt that say Cousins rather than 1st round QB?

By the time a drafted QB is playing at a playoff level -- PP and Chandler are likely ineffective?

Yeah, barring an immediate surge to high level QB play, like Wentz, we're in trouble of wasting their prime years. I still have a hard time believing PP21 has been in the league for 7 years, coming up on 8. Darrelle Revis is only 5 years older than him and everyone's pretty much washed their hands of him as an elite player.

 

[Chopper0080]

so doesnt that say Cousins rather than 1st round QB?

By the time a drafted QB is playing at a playoff level -- PP and Chandler are likely ineffective?

I love the point you just made there.

 

[Chopper0080]

Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, it really doesn't matter IMO other than what you have to give up for the one you want (picks/money).

We wasted years of Larry Fitzgeralds career trying to develop a guy. I, personally, don't love the idea of doing the same with Peterson and Jones.

My plan is such...get a league average guy, put him at QB. Add a WR. Add a bunch of offensive linemen to give him time to work. Add a top level CB. Add depth on the defense. Improve STs. We can be the 2017 Vikings next year.

On offense, run DJ into the ground, and get the ball to Fitz. Similar to the end of our season this year. On defense, get an elite scheme, add the remaining pieces, and shut teams down. Don't have special teams hamstring the team.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, it really doesn't matter IMO other than what you have to give up for the one you want (picks/money).

We wasted years of Larry Fitzgeralds career trying to develop a guy. I, personally, don't love the idea of doing the same with Peterson and Jones.

My plan is such...get a league average guy, put him at QB. Add a WR. Add a bunch of offensive linemen to give him time to work. Add a top level CB. Add depth on the defense. Improve STs. We can be the 2017 Vikings next year.

On offense, run DJ into the ground, and get the ball to Fitz. Similar to the end of our season this year. On defense, get an elite scheme, add the remaining pieces, and shut teams down. Don't have special teams hamstring the team.

I'm thinking they are leaning towards signing a QB. They may draft one later in the rounds if they like him but I doubt they are willing to trade the farm to move up. I wouldn't mind if we traded back and picked up a couple more picks. We have to restock the cupboards.

 

[football karma]

Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins, it really doesn't matter IMO other than what you have to give up for the one you want (picks/money).

if you are going to sign a starter, with the contract length, cost and all it entails --- sign a starter: Cousins

Keenum and Bridgewater, and even Smith feel like bridge guys where a first round QB is waiting in the wings

 

[Chopper0080]

if you are going to sign a starter, with the contract length, cost and all it entails --- sign a starter: Cousins

Keenum and Bridgewater, and even Smith feel like bridge guys where a first round QB is waiting in the wings

Well, it depends no where you feel that your are at. If you don't believe there is a 6 mil difference between Cousins and Keenum/Smith/Bridgewater, then don't sign Cousins. If you do, then go get him and build the defense.

Have a bridge QB while your new head coach settles in is not the worst option if you get the right guy. That is what Palmer was intended to be, but Arians just didn't stick around long enough to get to the other side of the bridge. I believe that repeating the same process for the next QB is not the worst idea, especially if you want to maximize your veteran players AND especially if you get a defensive head coach.

 

[football karma]

Well, it depends no where you feel that your are at. If you don't believe there is a 6 mil difference between Cousins and Keenum/Smith/Bridgewater, then don't sign Cousins.

with Cousins, you arent taking a day 1 (or even day 2) QB

the rest of that list, you likely are aggressively targeting a day 1 QB.

so to complete the circuit: if the plan is signing Cousins -- yes, save 18 cap space and deal with DJ later. If the QB plan is bridge guy with a 1st rounder, i want to burn 18 cap space to free up 19/20/21 space


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