Cards sign Breaston

[MadCardDisease]

After four, but if you want to keep a second day draft pick around, you're going to either have to give him a higher tender than he might be worth (did we end up giving Leckey a second-round tender?), or you risk losing him (like when the Saints nabbed Jason David from the Colts) or having to pay more than you expected or wanted to (like Reggie Wells two years ago).

Part of the argument is that not giving four-year deals to all your rookies means that you likely expect these guys to fail (since you don't want to spread cap money over 4 years) or that you're trying to save money this year at the expense of a possible developed player in four years (because a minimum-salary contract in year 4 will be less expensive than a high tender).

Second-day rookies don't really have any leverage. If the deal is slotted, they basically have to take what they're offered. By not signing guys for four years, the Cards are saving a couple grand on the front end, but gambling that their players develop, but don't develop that much. I think that's the definition of penny wise and pound foolish.

How many restricted FAs didn't sign with their original teams this year?

 

[kerouac9]

How many restricted FAs didn't sign with their original teams this year?

Donnie Jones (P), Leander Jordan (OG), Shaun Smith (DT), Wes Welker, Matt Schaub, Jason David and Gilbert Gardner are a few of them. It depends more on what compensation v. salary you're willing to pay. We paid one RFA a first-round tender a couple years ago (Josh McCown) when he clearly wasn't worth that money but we couldn't afford to let him leave for only a 3rd round pick in compensation.

joeshmo's right that the second-round RFA tender has rendered some of this unnecessary, of course. But if 80% of the NFL is doing 4 year contracts for all rookies, there's likely a reason.

 

[phillycard]

Yes, it is uncalled for. Frankly, I didn't really know what it meant until I did some searching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepin_Fetchit

That's the thing Scott, unfortunately people hurl words around without fully knowing the meanings. We may not care for Rod all that much, but he's an accomplished man who deserves respect. That word shows none.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Donnie Jones (P), Leander Jordan (OG), Shaun Smith (DT), Wes Welker, Matt Schaub, Jason David and Gilbert Gardner are a few of them. It depends more on what compensation v. salary you're willing to pay. We paid one RFA a first-round tender a couple years ago (Josh McCown) when he clearly wasn't worth that money but we couldn't afford to let him leave for only a 3rd round pick in compensation.

joeshmo's right that the second-round RFA tender has rendered some of this unnecessary, of course. But if 80% of the NFL is doing 4 year contracts for all rookies, there's likely a reason.

I think you have your facts mixed up.

Gilbert Gardner was claimed off Waivers

Leander Jordan was an UFA

Wes Welker and Matt Schuab were traded.

 

[kerouac9]

I think you have your facts mixed up.

Gilbert Gardner was claimed off Waivers

Leander Jordan was an UFA

Wes Welker and Matt Schuab were traded.

I may have been wrong about Gardner, but that's what ESPN.com said. Same with Jordan.

Welker and Schaub were RFAs that signed with teams besides the ones that tendered them. They were very specific answers to your question. What, exactly, are you asking? We're already paying for this mistake once with Reggie Wells. The Colts lost a starting CB in Jason David.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I may have been wrong about Gardner, but that's what ESPN.com said. Same with Jordan.

Welker and Schaub were RFAs that signed with teams besides the ones that tendered them. They were very specific answers to your question. What, exactly, are you asking?

I was asking basically how many teams lost players to another team because they didn't match the tendered offer. Welker and Schaub were clearly traded.

We're already paying for this mistake once with Reggie Wells.

What are you talking about? We signed Wells to a very cap friendly contract and the Bills did all the dirty work for us.

 

[BACH]

I may have been wrong about Gardner, but that's what ESPN.com said. Same with Jordan.

Welker and Schaub were RFAs that signed with teams besides the ones that tendered them. They were very specific answers to your question. What, exactly, are you asking? We're already paying for this mistake once with Reggie Wells. The Colts lost a starting CB in Jason David.

Gardner was cut, Jordan was an UFA, Schaub was actively traded by him original team and the Dolphins negotiated to a lower trading price when they didn't what to match the Patriots' offer, but still wanted something for Welker.

Jason David was the only RFA "lost" by his original team in the way you say Graves is setting up Breaston and Patrick's departure.

 

[kerouac9]

Gardner was cut, Jordan was an UFA, Schaub was actively traded by him original team and the Dolphins negotiated to a lower trading price when they didn't what to match the Patriots' offer, but still wanted something for Welker.

Jason David was the only RFA "lost" by his original team in the way you say Graves is setting up Breaston and Patrick's departure.

Welker was traded for a higher price than the tender offer, BACH. The Pats threw in a 6th or 7th round pick above the offer to make sure that the Dolphins didn't match. Look it up yourself.

 

[BACH]

Welker was traded for a higher price than the tender offer, BACH. The Pats threw in a 6th or 7th round pick above the offer to make sure that the Dolphins didn't match. Look it up yourself.

Well, that only proves my point even more!!!!

I'll give you points for highlighting my mistake, though. A nice effort to cover up your own false statement.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

CC, that's uncalled for bro. I'm not the biggest Graves fan either. He has his days, but to call him that is unneccesary, disrespectful and racist. You certainly wouldn't call him that to his face.

Read again: I didn't... I suggested it's the implication of K-9's neverending diatribe.

 

[phillycard]

Read again: I didn't... I suggested it's the implication of K-9's neverending diatribe.

Misinterpreted CC. I apologize fam!

 

[Skkorpion]

Three more paragraphs to tell us, once again, that Graves is a "step and fetch it" incompetent. Thanks for that...

Exactly. Three or four years - who cares? - it's irrelevant.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Three more paragraphs to tell us, once again, that Graves is a "step and fetch it" incompetent. Thanks for that...

uh, is there a reason Crazy Canuck can basically put words in K9's mouth all but calling him a racist?

rag on K9 for repeating himself ad naseum all you want, but to throw the racist term in there as part of K9's MO is pretty damn inflammatory and utterly unecessary. But I guess from Skkorp's quoting and agreeing with Crazy Canuck, it's pretty clear that if you're slamming a pessimist/realist you can do anything you want, including implying that he's a racist.

good to know.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Read again: I didn't... I suggested it's the implication of K-9's neverending diatribe.

right, you implied that K9's a racist. How exactly is that not ban-worthy?

 

[Skkorpion]

Actually, the step and fetch it comment is unfair and does go too far. And Canuck does deserve a ban.

And, yes, cheese, I did read your reported post and was waiting to see if any of the mods would weigh in first.

And this is the kind of response K9 seems to revel in provoking, so he can feel like a victim.

 

[Stout]

Actually, the step and fetch it comment is unfair and does go too far. And Canuck does deserve a ban.

And, yes, cheese, I did read your reported post and was waiting to see if any of the mods would weigh in first.

And this is the kind of response K9 seems to revel in provoking, so he can feel like a victim.

Wait a minute...am I the only one that previously had no clue that step and fetch was actually a racial insult? I still can hardly believe it. He hasn't been visiting the thread, it doesn't look like, or he'd have defended himself. Should he be banned for something that he probably didn't know about? Just curious.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Actually, the step and fetch it comment is unfair and does go too far. And Canuck does deserve a ban.

And, yes, cheese, I did read your reported post and was waiting to see if any of the mods would weigh in first.

And this is the kind of response K9 seems to revel in provoking, so he can feel like a victim.

cool beans.

 

[Skkorpion]

Stout, I thought right away it was attributing a racist undertone to a post K9 had made.

What happened afterward is that I handled it badly because K9 irks me so much I find myself unable to treat him fairly.

I should have just sent some private messages, the way the mods do, and worked this out quietly. I blew it.

In the long run, I need to just keep out of it and let the mods run the board. And I certainly need to quit responding to K9.

 

[Stout]

Stout, I thought right away it was attributing a racist undertone to a post K9 had made.

What happened afterward is that I handled it badly because K9 irks me so much I find myself unable to treat him fairly.

I should have just sent some private messages, the way the mods do, and worked this out quietly. I blew it.

In the long run, I need to just keep out of it and let the mods run the board. And I certainly need to quit responding to K9.

I'm just surprised that's a racial comment, which I am now not doubting it is. Shows me that although I know a lot, I do not know everything.

Ees cool, bro. You make mistakes from time to time, as do we all.