kerouac9
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A screenshot of an SI article from 2017 is not the slam dunk case you think it is.
Cards sign OL Hjalte Froholdt
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Ok what you got? The way these athletic freaks today are jumping around the line creating havoc from both sides. Etc…. It’s def not the same as it used to be where teams just stuck there #1 pass rusher in the right side of the D and left them there. Times have changed.
BirdGangThing
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Is this the part where we start naming randos acting like it pertains to everything Arizona?
What is it in here? Is everyone related to FroGOAT or something and forgot to tell a hippie? There has to be some type of nepotism in play here lol
Why doesn't anyone want a quality center? Why doesn't Kyler Murray deserve a quality center?
Centers are important - this is not an opinion - RT is also important - also not an opinion - if they both suck they should both be upgraded
This okayness with substandard lineman is why we can't have nice things - like pockets - and sustainable drives - and healthy quarterbacks
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Additionally, the right guard goes head-to-head against the opposition's best 3-technique more often than not.
BirdGangThing
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And why did our back up RT grade out better than our starting Center against ATL?
BirdGangThing
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We had a whole thread dedicated to O-line positions and their importance - from this year too
With Center being valued at a 4 and RT valued at a 3
Thread 'Oline ranking for Cards' https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/oline-ranking-for-cards.528203/
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QuebecCard
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The 'casual fan' neglects to note that FRO is in his first full season at the position; that experience matters, and, as mentioned, 6 of the top 7 rated centres are 30-years old+.
kerouac9
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This is a better argument to me, but I dunno.
The #10 RT in contract apy is Jack Conklin (CLE) at $15 mil.
RG is Austin Corbett (CAR) at $8.75 mil.
C is Ethan Pocic (CLE) at $6 mil.
LG is Andrus Peat (NO) at $5.5 mil.
LT is The Captain (ARI) at $17 mil.
So, judging by what teams are willing to pay, you're probably right. They get the second-least amount of help and they face a lot of good edge rushers. (BTW: my methodology for using the #10 contract is to identify a relatively good mid-level free agent value and skip over franchise guys and screen out cost-controlled rookies).
The real value is at LG. Look at the price differentials between the top 5 contracts and everyone else. Quenton Nelson makes $20MM a year! It kind of highlights how criminal it was for Monti to completely punt on the position this offseason and how relatively easy a fix it could be next year.
Can FroGOAT be the 4th or 5th best starting OL on a playoff-caliber line? I think so. I don't know why you're putting so much energy into this when there's a burning dumpster fire directly to his left. Look around the NFL and show me a strong correlation between youth and draft status and good offensive line play overall, or even good offenses. I haven't found one.
Resources are still limited in 2024. I'd prefer to spend them upgrading the superfund site on our defensive line than worry about upgrading two OL positions. I'm willing to be convinced that FroGOAT is a disaster, but I don't see a ton of evidence of that as yet.
BirdGangThing
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Which is why you sign players with experience at the position you sign them for - you're just making excuses - because it's not like he's improving - quite the opposite
And great job on the 'casual fan' dunk there Mr Cleverman - lol
I've fell for this before. After the ones you can see the rest are random, not in order.
Frank Ragnow has an 80 grade and is near last.
BirdGangThing
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lol I could literally be the 5th best starting OL on a playoff-caliber team - you too for that matter - remind me again how many players are on a O-line
And why would you want your Center to be the worst player on your O-line? We just went over the importance of the position
kerouac9
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There are five starters on an OL.
I guess from a physical talent perspective, I'm comfortable with my OC being the worst athlete or whatever on the OL because he has help on both sides and also potentially from a running back. It's more important to be able to make the line calls correctly and process what's happening in front of you from a blitz/stunt perspective than whatever you're worried about.
TheCardFan
Things have changed.
Ah. Thank you sir.
BirdGangThing
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He can't read and misses blitzes - he gets fooled by stunts - multiple holding penalties - and couldn't remember the damn snap count on more than one occasion - but sure bro
BirdGangThing
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I'm going to try and take a month off from discussing Froholdt - barring any major circumstances
I also expect this post to get about 3K likes but that's okay lol
I also expect this post to get about 3K likes but that's okay lol
this close to harvest I always liked to watch my buds too...talk to them a little,...see how they sparkle...
BirdGangThing
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I almost went to NorCal for harvest this year!!
QuebecCard
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Giving you 'reasons' not 'excuses,' there's a difference.
Krangodnzr
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I definitely agree. I go Fashanu if:
1) the Cardinals can't get MHJ.
2) a trade package that is hard to pass up is offered.
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No trade is worth it. They need a premium HOF level talent in the top 5 picks.
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Bookend good to great OTs and a good QB (with the potential to be great) is the recipe for playoff appearances for the next five years, even with a bad defense (and there’s nothing to say the D can’t be addressed in FA and other picks in a draft where we’re chock full of them.
If we’ve got a shot at THE blue-chip OT in the draft, I think we need to take him and really invest in the trenches in a way we’ve never done before.
Krangodnzr
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If the Cardinals ended up at #2 and we're offered #4 and two future firsts plus other picks, it absolutely would be.
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His name is Shane.
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For everyone who said that relying on Froholdt to be our starting center was an egregious move by Monti, remember that the Steelers signed Mason Cole to a 3 year deal.
BirdGangThing
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Did you even see Froholdt today? He was in the backfield more than Conner was - damn near sacked Murray himself
