Cards To Pursue Albert From Chiefs & Manziel?

[Cheesebeef]

Umm yes certainly they are going to let him test FA or at best try to lock him up to a team friendly deal prior to hitting FA. I highly highly doubt they will give him the franchise Tag being they gave it to him last year and just spent the first overall pick on a LT. They will move the rook to the left and do what every other team does. Get a good not great RT for the right money.

but why would they just let him go without trying to see if they could get anything from anyone? that seemed to be their plan last year, by slapping the tag on him and then fielding trade offers. I don't see why they wouldn't do any different, even with the higher price. they could rescind that at any time and last year he didn't seem to be in a rush to sign the one year tender (pretty much no one ever does).

edit: my bad...looks like he DID sign the tag almost immediately last year. that changes things.

I hope we make a serious run at him or Monroe. If we were somehow able to lock up a LT and Dansby, we could sign a bunch of Ouchies in the rest of FA and I'd be a happy man. That would pretty much allow us to go anywhere we wanted in the draft and not lock us in to having to take the 5th or 6th LT likely available by then.

 

[ajcardfan]

I believe Patrick Peterson already got his new deal in place. Met his father, who was selling his quad motorcycle and jet skis, per the restrictions in his new contract. Keep this info secret.

Note to self: "Never share secrets with Southpaw. He readily posts them on the internet."

 

[football karma]

Chiefs do not have a great deal of cap room, even without Albert's number in the mix

i believe that they would have to cut/ restructure, etc to put another franchise tag on him

 

[Cardiac]

but why would they just let him go without trying to see if they could get anything from anyone? that seemed to be their plan last year, by slapping the tag on him and then fielding trade offers. I don't see why they wouldn't do any different, even with the higher price. they could rescind that at any time and last year he didn't seem to be in a rush to sign the one year tender (pretty much no one ever does).

edit: my bad...looks like he DID sign the tag almost immediately last year. that changes things.

I hope we make a serious run at him or Monroe. If we were somehow able to lock up a LT and Dansby, we could sign a bunch of Ouchies in the rest of FA and I'd be a happy man. That would pretty much allow us to go anywhere we wanted in the draft and not lock us in to having to take the 5th or 6th LT likely available by then.

So where is he and very few excuses will be acceptable.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Sweet! That's good news.

Yes it is.

However it's not like we will see any of that money. That $5 million barely covers half of the $10 million of Dead Money that we still owe on players who we cut this year (Levi Brown, Adam Snyder, etc).

The Curse of Rod Graves lives on another year

 

[MadCardDisease]

but why would they just let him go without trying to see if they could get anything from anyone? that seemed to be their plan last year, by slapping the tag on him and then fielding trade offers. I don't see why they wouldn't do any different, even with the higher price. they could rescind that at any time and last year he didn't seem to be in a rush to sign the one year tender (pretty much no one ever does).

edit: my bad...looks like he DID sign the tag almost immediately last year. that changes things.

I hope we make a serious run at him or Monroe. If we were somehow able to lock up a LT and Dansby, we could sign a bunch of Ouchies in the rest of FA and I'd be a happy man. That would pretty much allow us to go anywhere we wanted in the draft and not lock us in to having to take the 5th or 6th LT likely available by then.

Keim will have to work some magic again.

I believe the cap for 2014 is only going up about $3 million this year which would put it around $126 Million. The Cards are currently sitting around $111 million with current players under contract and have about $10 million in dead money. So if my math is correct we currently have about $10 million to work with assuming the Cardinals move the $5 million from 2013 to 2014.

 

[schutd]

Are you 95% sure?

5/5

 

[GuernseyCard]

Keim will have to work some magic again.

I believe the cap for 2014 is only going up about $3 million this year which would put it around $126 Million. The Cards are currently sitting around $111 million with current players under contract and have about $10 million in dead money. So if my math is correct we currently have about $10 million to work with assuming the Cardinals move the $5 million from 2013 to 2014.

The site I check says we are $10m under given all 2014 commitments. There is no mention of the carryover from 2013.

 

[kerouac9]

The site I check says we are $10m under given all 2014 commitments. There is no mention of the carryover from 2013.

I'm pretty skeptical about that number--and I like OverTheCap.com. I think that it assumes the rollover. I haven't been able to find a base cap number that isn't in the $124M range, and I don't know where else OTC would be finding $6M in adjusted cap space.

It's really difficult to put together an offseason plan without a little clarity on the Cards' cap position. Any plan that begins with "force Fitz and Dockett to play for less money" is deeply in fantasyland.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm pretty skeptical about that number--and I like OverTheCap.com. I think that it assumes the rollover. I haven't been able to find a base cap number that isn't in the $124M range, and I don't know where else OTC would be finding $6M in adjusted cap space.

It's really difficult to put together an offseason plan without a little clarity on the Cards' cap position. Any plan that begins with "force Fitz and Dockett to play for less money" is deeply in fantasyland.

I agree not knowing the cap number makes it very tough. I could see Dockett taking an extension to keep him under contract for 4 years instead of 2. It would require more guaranteed money, but would also allow for an easier cap hit over that time. Fitzgerald's contract is the tough one and I am curious to see how Keim manages it. It is also possible for the Cards to extend Palmera year or two to reduce his cap hit.

We will see.

 

[sundevil04]

We have 43 players under contract for 2014 with a total cap figure of 112mil. Add in the 10mil in dead space and were on the hook for 122 mil. Most people say they expect the 2014 cap to be 126mil and we can roll over 5 mil to that so without any cuts/signings we should have 9mil in cap space.

We can free up another 5 to 7 mil more just by cutting Darryl Colledge and Jasper Brinkley

 

[kerouac9]

I agree not knowing the cap number makes it very tough. I could see Dockett taking an extension to keep him under contract for 4 years instead of 2. It would require more guaranteed money, but would also allow for an easier cap hit over that time. Fitzgerald's contract is the tough one and I am curious to see how Keim manages it. It is also possible for the Cards to extend Palmera year or two to reduce his cap hit.

We will see.

None of this makes sense to me. That just pushes the pain into the future. I don't believe that the Cards are a priority free agent or two from winning the Super Bowl--and so I don't believe it makes sense to sign Dockett until he's 36 or maintain a commitment to Carson Palmer to 2016.

 

[sundevil04]

I don't see too much need to extend players to make room. If we did though by moving more guaranteed money into this year and next year those extensions wouldn't cause too much dead money on the cap after that

 

[GuernseyCard]

We have 43 players under contract for 2014 with a total cap figure of 112mil. Add in the 10mil in dead space and were on the hook for 122 mil. Most people say they expect the 2014 cap to be 126mil and we can roll over 5 mil to that so without any cuts/signings we should have 9mil in cap space.

We can free up another 5 to 7 mil more just by cutting Darryl Colledge and Jasper Brinkley

Colledge, Brinkley and Williams would give around this amount.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A note on Anthony Collins. He hasn't allowed a sack this year and has been facing some pretty elite pass rushers in Julius Peppers, Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervill, and Jared Allen.

 

[sundevil04]

A note on Anthony Collins. He hasn't allowed a sack this year and has been facing some pretty elite pass rushers in Julius Peppers, Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervill, and Jared Allen.

I love the idea of making a run at A.Collins, his price tag will be a few mil a year less than B.Albert and he's performed just as well if not better.

The Bengals just signed pro bowl LT Andrew Whitworth to an extension, so he's likely to be available. I think he'll be in the 5-6 mil a season range while B.Albert will be in the 9 mil range

in 526 snaps, Collins hasn't allowed a sack or a quarterback hit this season, according to Pro Football Focus. He faced, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumerville, Robert Mathis and Julius Peppers.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Colledge, Brinkley and Williams would give around this amount.

these seem to be no-brainer cuts if we really want to keep the core of this D together. i think you can throw in there Alexander as well if it means being able to sign both Dansby and a solid FA LT. And outside of Colledge, it's like we'd be losing anything with those cuts seeing as none of those guys basically even played this season. keeping any or all of them at the expense of losing our defensive captain doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[football karma]

I love the idea of making a run at A.Collins, his price tag will be a few mil a year less than B.Albert and he's performed just as well if not better.

The Bengals just signed pro bowl LT Andrew Whitworth to an extension, so he's likely to be available. I think he'll be in the 5-6 mil a season range while B.Albert will be in the 9 mil range

in 526 snaps, Collins hasn't allowed a sack or a quarterback hit this season, according to Pro Football Focus. He faced, Jared Allen, Elvis Dumerville, Robert Mathis and Julius Peppers.

Given the stats you and CBus have shared, and given he is younger than Albert-- I am not sure he will be cheaper than Albert.

 

[sundevil04]

Given the stats you and CBus have shared, and given he is younger than Albert-- I am not sure he will be cheaper than Albert.

Only 1 year younger and came out of college the same year, 2008 draft. The reason he'll be cheaper is that he's got limited experience starting. For the portion of this season that he stepped in at LT he was tremendous, but it's still just a part of one season, whereas Albert has shown he can do it year after year.

The risk you run with Collins is that he may just be a flash in the pan, not the real deal consistently. He started 7 games last year filling in due to injuries and was excellent, but started just 18 games in his 5 seasons prior.

 

[MadCardDisease]

these seem to be no-brainer cuts if we really want to keep the core of this D together. i think you can throw in there Alexander as well if it means being able to sign both Dansby and a solid FA LT. And outside of Colledge, it's like we'd be losing anything with those cuts seeing as none of those guys basically even played this season. keeping any or all of them at the expense of losing our defensive captain doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Cutting Alexander would only save you $500K. Plus you would be loosing a key special teamer.

 

[Chopper0080]

None of this makes sense to me. That just pushes the pain into the future. I don't believe that the Cards are a priority free agent or two from winning the Super Bowl--and so I don't believe it makes sense to sign Dockett until he's 36 or maintain a commitment to Carson Palmer to 2016.

It depends on how you want to manage things. Right now we are dealing with some short term cap pain and need relief. We have 10 mil in dead money this season. If we want to extend and get out of Dockett's contract later, we should be in a better cap situation at that point in time. Same goes for Palmer. That is the benefit of extending those players. If we have to eat 4 or 5 mil in 2016 because Dockett/Palmer is retiring, I am ok with it. We can make other moves at that point in time. You can't make a ton of moves like this or you will really put yourself against the wall, but you can make some and be ok.

I think Dockett has 3 years left and I would prefer for those to be played in Arizona and the post season rather than not.

 

[Chopper0080]

Only 1 year younger and came out of college the same year, 2008 draft. The reason he'll be cheaper is that he's got limited experience starting. For the portion of this season that he stepped in at LT he was tremendous, but it's still just a part of one season, whereas Albert has shown he can do it year after year.

The risk you run with Collins is that he may just be a flash in the pan, not the real deal consistently. He started 7 games last year filling in due to injuries and was excellent, but started just 18 games in his 5 seasons prior.

He also was blocking for the QB who was the quickest to throw the ball in the NFL. Dalton doesn't hold onto the ball and push the ball downfield like Arians QBs do. This quick release takes a ton of pressure off OTs. Who knows if Collins will do as well if he has to block for a second longer.

 

[GatorAZ]

If we work out something with Fitz it hopefully lowers that ridiculous 21m cap hit in 2015. Cambell hits us for 15m that year and PP will likely get his huge raise then as well. I'm guessing they'll push that money to Fitz' final two years where there's zero dead money. 2016-2018 are basically team options.

 

[NJCardFan]

Somers was just on with Jurecki

They were very matter of factly discussing that the Cardinals are prepared to overpay to address the left tackle position

Also a very understated but telling comment by Somers on the front office: He has much more confidence in Keim and Licht in managing free agency, the draft, etc than the "previous regime". He said it in such a way that inferred that there was disfunction beyond just poor talent evaluation in the previous group.

That's because with the previous regime, the free agency signings began and ended with former Stealers.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Please God, no Manziel.

Heck we would have to give some team 2 first rounders plus our

first rounder this year to get him. I dont know if he will be a good

pro but I always wait to go to the fridge when he is playing cuz

I am afraid I will miss something. His size scares me a little. The

ladies would love him out there I read on Walterffootball.com

that the Browns fired Chud cuz he didnt like Johnny Football