Cards To Pursue Albert From Chiefs & Manziel?

[john h]

He also said the Cards really like Manziel and may want to move up in the draft to get him..

I really like the QB from SC named Shaw. I have watched him for a couple of years in the SEC. I would have to think hard before taking Manzell over him. He may very well go ahead of Manzell And may be a real steal if he is there when we select. Tough runner as well as passer. SC won 11 games this year. Manzell gets a lot of well deserved hype and may well go #1 or #2 in the draft but I think he may be a risk that high. Shaw at #20 would be much less of a risk.

 

[bankybruce]

I really like the QB from SC named Shaw. I have watched him for a couple of years in the SEC. I would have to think hard before taking Manzell over him. He may very well go ahead of Manzell And may be a real steal if he is there when we select. Tough runner as well as passer. SC won 11 games this year. Manzell gets a lot of well deserved hype and may well go #1 or #2 in the draft but I think he may be a risk that high. Shaw at #20 would be much less of a risk.

You want to take Shaw at #20? You realized that before yesterdays game he was projected to go in the 6th round and now sky rocketed to the 5th rounds in some projections. If we take him at #20, it better be at #20 of the 5th round.

 

[john h]

Somers was just on with Jurecki

They were very matter of factly discussing that the Cardinals are prepared to overpay to address the left tackle position

Also a very understated but telling comment by Somers on the front office: He has much more confidence in Keim and Licht in managing free agency, the draft, etc than the "previous regime". He said it in such a way that inferred that there was dysfunction beyond just poor talent evaluation in the previous group.

The DE Clowney from SC is a likely All American but will go very high in the draft. He is a Junior but has won so many awards I will not attempt to list them. He is no secret. He will likely go well ahead where we draft but would add to our already very good defense Weighs in at 274. As a sophomore was 6th in the Heisman race and is a real sackmaster

I look forward to the coming year. Not so with many past years. Hope we can add some good FAs like we did last year. All old guys are not over the hill. Surprised Dansby left of the All Pro list and hope we can sign him to a 2-3 year extension. Being left off the list may help us with money. First year in some time there were very few post critizing our GM and owner. The way we played and people we added shows there was reason for little if any criticism. Graves should have been gone years ago but Mr B does have a strong sense of loyalty. Graves is still with us in some capacity and you can bet Mr. B had a lot to do with that. These are not your fathers Cardinals (If Palmer can stay healthy). Now is the time to get that backup QB who can be our QB of the future if one is there.

 

[john h]

Somers was just on with Jurecki

They were very matter of factly discussing that the Cardinals are prepared to overpay to address the left tackle position

Also a very understated but telling comment by Somers on the front office: He has much more confidence in Keim and Licht in managing free agency, the draft, etc than the "previous regime". He said it in such a way that inferred that there was disfunction beyond just poor talent evaluation in the previous group.

Just how much input does the HC have in picking FA's and the draft. I really have no idea. Our HC certainly is not without a whole lot of experience but clearly the GM must have the last say. No matter how good the rest of your team is, it is widely expressed that you must have a very good QB to be competitive. With that being said who replaces Palmer if he goes down? If that happens our season would be lost most likely. A QB is probably the most important position in all of pro sports. He alone can break a team or almost make a team. A really good year for the Cards. No one predicted we would win 10 games. I thought 6-8. Eight if Palmer played well. He should have 3 more years. We do need to sign our FA's who had monster years such as Dansby who will want a big raise. The Cardinals are now a place the FA's will give serious consideration as they know we are contenders. No longer the bottom of the pile.

 

[john h]

Anybody saying a team is interested in a certain college player at this point is just making crap up. Even a player like Bridgewater can potentially drop after interviews, background checks and workouts. It happens every year.

Mostly you are right. The guys I like I have seen play several or more times and base my thoughts on that. I am no expert to begin with so my thoughts are just that. Thoughts. That is about all most of us can do but of course they have a body of work to look at in college which counts for something. I do not think anyone is saying this guy or that guy is a sure fire thing to bet the house on. Just things to speculate on a board that might be dead otherwise.

 

[john h]

Anybody saying a team is interested in a certain college player at this point is just making crap up. Even a player like Bridgewater can potentially drop after interviews, background checks and workouts. It happens every year.

I would suspect each team has a big board with every player they have on it and possible draft choices or FA's to fill each position. This board would change on a regular basis depending on various things like being able to sign our own guys or what a new guy might cost. This is a year around project for teams and is discussed on a frequent basis. It would likely be finalized a few days before the draft and you can be sure it would be TOP SECRET for top staff only. No players would have access because the infor would quickly be leaked to their agents to be used to get top dollar for their clients.

 

[john h]

I see no reason to believe that Andre Roberts will get a new deal for much more than the minimum salary for the Arizona Cardinals. Why would we give him that?

IMHO Roberts is a very good man to have on our team. He is not a starter but a very good backup who will go over the middle and has the speed to go down the field. Hope we keep him.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

None of this makes sense to me. That just pushes the pain into the future. I don't believe that the Cards are a priority free agent or two from winning the Super Bowl--and so I don't believe it makes sense to sign Dockett until he's 36 or maintain a commitment to Carson Palmer to 2016.

Thing is I dont think the FO agrees with you here. With the way this year played out I think they DO believe there are only 2-3 of the right pieces away. And I personally love that.

I get the feeling this is going to be the spashiest offseason in a while. Something like Brandon Albert, Dennis Pitta, Johnny Manziel crazy.

I like the first two ideas. Not sure what I think about Manziel in Cardinal Red just yet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thing is I dont think the FO agrees with you here. With the way this year played out I think they DO believe there are only 2-3 of the right pieces away. And I personally love that.

I get the feeling this is going to be the spashiest offseason in a while. Something like Brandon Albert, Dennis Pitta, Johnny Manziel crazy.

I like the first two ideas. Not sure what I think about Manziel in Cardinal Red just yet.

if we're able to sign a Brandon Albert, Pitta and get Dansby resigned, it'll be a banner off-season, IMO and set us up to be major contenders next year. hopefully throw in an impact rookie or two from the draft and we could be looking at the most complete Cardinals team I can ever remember.

 

[Chopper0080]

IMHO Roberts is a very good man to have on our team. He is not a starter but a very good backup who will go over the middle and has the speed to go down the field. Hope we keep him.

Totalling 55% of the offensive snaps this year means that he will be more valuable to another team than he will be to the Cardinals. Arians just doesn't use 3wr sets enough to pay Roberts what he is worth in the open market.

 

[kerouac9]

Thing is I dont think the FO agrees with you here. With the way this year played out I think they DO believe there are only 2-3 of the right pieces away. And I personally love that.

I get the feeling this is going to be the spashiest offseason in a while. Something like Brandon Albert, Dennis Pitta, Johnny Manziel crazy.

I like the first two ideas. Not sure what I think about Manziel in Cardinal Red just yet.

I don't know. Keim has been talking about making "difficult decisions" since Week 4; I don't think that's going to change. I'm really less concerned about "splashy" free agent signings than the hubris involved in trusting one's own personnel genius and gambling that you're going to get players of Dansby's and Abraham's caliber in May and June while signing guys like Lorenzo Alexander and Jasper Brinkley to be starters in March.

Of course, you're pretty used to letting your heart run ahead of reality. So I imagine that you're not going to be disappointed when you're wrong.

 

[desertdawg]

Totalling 55% of the offensive snaps this year means that he will be more valuable to another team than he will be to the Cardinals. Arians just doesn't use 3wr sets enough to pay Roberts what he is worth in the open market.

Especially with Ellington's duties increasing, I'm thinking improve the TE and get a LT, with all the 2 TE sets that Arians went to into the second half of the season, the TE will be a big part of 2014.

 

[Chopper0080]

Especially with Ellington's duties increasing, I'm thinking improve the TE and get a LT, with all the 2 TE sets that Arians went to into the second half of the season, the TE will be a big part of 2014.

It already was a big part of 2013 so you are correct. Jim Dray totalled 63% of our offensive snaps and Housler got 48% of snaps despite missing 3 or 4 games. TE is huge in Arian's offense and a legititmate talent upgrade should come with a huge payoff.

 

[Totally_Red]

Totalling 55% of the offensive snaps this year means that he will be more valuable to another team than he will be to the Cardinals. Arians just doesn't use 3wr sets enough to pay Roberts what he is worth in the open market.

If Ken Whisenhunt ends up in Detroit as it appears he might, I think there is an excellent chance that Andre Roberts is wearing Honolulu Blue in 2014. 'Dre already knows Whis' offense and would be a godsend in helping his teammates adjust to Whis' offense IMO.

If the Cardinals don't or can't re-sign him, I hope he ends up with Whis.

 

[juza76]

If Ken Whisenhunt ends up in Detroit as it appears he might, I think there is an excellent chance that Andre Roberts is wearing Honolulu Blue in 2014. 'Dre already knows Whis' offense and would be a godsend in helping his teammates adjust to Whis' offense IMO.

If the Cardinals don't or can't re-sign him, I hope he ends up with Whis.

Max hall is free too,he can help teammates in a easier translation to whiz stellar offense

 

[Cardiac]

I don't know. Keim has been talking about making "difficult decisions" since Week 4; I don't think that's going to change. I'm really less concerned about "splashy" free agent signings than the hubris involved in trusting one's own personnel genius and gambling that you're going to get players of Dansby's and Abraham's caliber in May and June while signing guys like Lorenzo Alexander and Jasper Brinkley to be starters in March.

I think LT at most will be the "splash" this offseason.

Hey K9, time to change the Ben Muth quote in your signature.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Thing is I dont think the FO agrees with you here. With the way this year played out I think they DO believe there are only 2-3 of the right pieces away. And I personally love that.

I get the feeling this is going to be the spashiest offseason in a while. Something like Brandon Albert, Dennis Pitta, Johnny Manziel crazy.

I like the first two ideas. Not sure what I think about Manziel in Cardinal Red just yet.

If Al Davis was still with us Johnny would never get past the Raiders. He

would be a top 5 pick with a little contraversy to go with it. Todd

Marinovich all over again.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Colledge, Brinkley and Williams would give around this amount.

these seem to be no-brainer cuts if we really want to keep the core of this D together. i think you can throw in there Alexander as well if it means being able to sign both Dansby and a solid FA LT. And outside of Colledge, it's like we'd be losing anything with those cuts seeing as none of those guys basically even played this season. keeping any or all of them at the expense of losing our defensive captain doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

That's a good point. I think that means they have to get Dansby settled early. There's so much that rides on how that turns out. I remember last time an important resigning got stretched out too long and it really held the team back from making moves. I forgot who that was, was it Fitz?

Anyway, I don't like the way the timing of this could work out if Dansby takes too long to test the market and figure out what he's worth. I'm sure Keim is aware of that though. It may behoove to even overpay a bit just to get it out of the way. That might just mean paying what he asks for. I could be wrong though. Maybe Dansby's willing to negotiate. Or maybe they just give him a number and let it ride out.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Albert is having a good game against the Colts.

 

[vinnymac]

The Cardinals need to sign Albert at left tackle. Forget about Johnny Football. IMO his game wil not translate into the pros. If he is a rookie free agent then I would give him a chance. I wouldn't waste a draft pick on him. The LSU QB or the Georgia QB would be my choice. You could get a top QB in the 3rd or 4th round due to their injuries. There would be no pressure for them to start with Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton on the roster.

 

[Buckybird]

The LSU QB or the Georgia QB would be my choice. You could get a top QB in the 3rd or 4th round due to their injuries. .

Rarely, do those 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc QBs ever turn into franchise guys who can wins Super Bowls for you!!! If you want to draft a franchise QB, teams have to roll the dice in round 1 (generally early) to land one...just the reality of it.