Carter can replace J-Rich

[sunsfan88]

I didn't wanna copy & paste the whole thing cause its long with a lot of videos in it. But never the less its a good article which proves that Carter is not that much of a down-grade from J-Rich.

I know man Suns fans are calling for Sarver's head because we lost J-Rich but I thought everyone should know that his replace Carter isn't that bad.

Please read:

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/12/...tm_medium=Plugin&utm_campaign=ValleyoftheSuns

Feel free to post your response. Does this at all change the attitude you had towards Carter and this trade?

 

[Folster]

I didn't wanna copy & paste the whole thing cause its long with a lot of videos in it. But never the less its a good article which proves that Carter is not that much of a down-grade from J-Rich.

I know man Suns fans are calling for Sarver's head because we lost J-Rich but I thought everyone should know that his replace Carter isn't that bad.

Please read:

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/12/...tm_medium=Plugin&utm_campaign=ValleyoftheSuns

Feel free to post your response. Does this at all change the attitude you had towards Carter and this trade?

Who's calling for Sarver's head? Most people are pleased with this trade despite giving up J Rich. I imagine there are some casual fans really upset by the loss of Richardson, but those same fans are probably elated when they heard we got Vince Carter in return.

 

[sunsfan88]

Who's calling for Sarver's head? Most people are pleased with this trade despite giving up J Rich. I imagine there are some casual fans really upset by the loss of Richardson, but those same fans are probably elated when they heard we got Vince Carter in return.

I have heard many Suns fans not being happy with the acquisition of Carter.

Just thought I will throw this out there. If you are happy with everything, then good for you and this should be a nice read as well.

 

[joshstmarie]

I'm happy.

 

[Trifecta]

Who's calling for Sarver's head? Most people are pleased with this trade despite giving up J Rich. I imagine there are some casual fans really upset by the loss of Richardson, but those same fans are probably elated when they heard we got Vince Carter in return.

This guy apparently: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2370442&postcount=71

lol

 

[Covert Rain]

VC could replace JRich but JRich is the better player at this stage of his career. I think VC is a downgrade. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think we are getting the vintage VC.

 

[Sunburn]

Quite a rationalization. Everywhere Carter has been recently people have despised him. Everywhere JRich has been recently people have raved. Why is that I wonder?

 

[mojorizen7]

Carter wont be in PHX for very long IMO......
and JRich>VCarter anyway.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The Suns were a team going no where with or without Jason Richardson and he wasn't being resigned at the money he would have wanted. So it doesn't really matter that we lost J Rich and it certainly doesnt matter that Carter can or cannot replace him.

The casual fans are the ones who are thinking about this. The ones on this board (for the most part) realize the keys to the deal were getting rid of Hedo's contract and getting Gortat. Anything VC gives is gravy this season, as he was brought over mainly for his expiring contract.

Carter might play his ass off here but even if he does, our ceiling was still 4-8 seed.

There really was no down side to this trade unless you were just DYING to watch 4 more months of Jason Richardson. And we sold high on him IMO.

This was the most logical move the Suns have made in awhile (although thats relative). Good job Blanks and Babby!

 

[Mulli]

The Suns were a team going no where with or without Jason Richardson and he wasn't being resigned at the money he would have wanted. So it doesn't really matter that we lost J Rich and it certainly doesnt matter that Carter can or cannot replace him.

The casual fans are the ones who are thinking about this. The ones on this board (for the most part) realize the keys to the deal were getting rid of Hedo's contract and getting Gortat. Anything VC gives is gravy this season, as he was brought over mainly for his expiring contract.

Carter might play his ass off here but even if he does, our ceiling was still 4-8 seed.

There really was no down side to this trade unless you were just DYING to watch 4 more months of Jason Richardson. And we sold high on him IMO.

This was the most logical move the Suns have made in awhile (although thats relative). Good job Blanks and Babby!

 

[chickenhead]

My impression is that this board is looking at the trade more favorably than the average fan--who is still frustrated about the roster and FO changes that turned a WCF team into the wreck that this trade is designed to fix. Also, most do not trust Sarver when the phrases "draft pick" or "cash considerations" come up. But the board is also justifiably excited about transaction possibilities--the average fan does not trust the FO to see the same possibilities.

So basically, we can be happy with them for setting the table, but who are they going to invite to dinner?

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO, the Suns were going to probably be less than a .500 team without changes. The Suns did not have good chemistry, lacked defense and Hedo was a poor fit. As I viewed it the Suns they were about to go in free fall. This was an excellent trade as it righted a floundering ship and gives the Suns hope for the future as well. Only casual fans may not fully appreciate what this trade did to solidify the Suns. Excellent trade Mr. Babby.

 

[jibikao]

Maybe and Nash and Hill's work habit can inspire Carter? That would be awesome.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Suns were a team going no where with or without Jason Richardson and he wasn't being resigned at the money he would have wanted. So it doesn't really matter that we lost J Rich and it certainly doesnt matter that Carter can or cannot replace him.

The casual fans are the ones who are thinking about this. The ones on this board (for the most part) realize the keys to the deal were getting rid of Hedo's contract and getting Gortat. Anything VC gives is gravy this season, as he was brought over mainly for his expiring contract.

Carter might play his ass off here but even if he does, our ceiling was still 4-8 seed.

There really was no down side to this trade unless you were just DYING to watch 4 more months of Jason Richardson. And we sold high on him IMO.

This was the most logical move the Suns have made in awhile (although thats relative). Good job Blanks and Babby!

+1. Except you left out Pietrus who I think is a decent addition to our roster. He just seems like the kind of wing player that will benefit playing in our system plus he brings some much needed D at the wing spot.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Comparing JRich and VC to evaluate this deal is wrong. The Suns made this deal to get a front line upgrade. You have to analyze the entire deal.

 

[DeAnna]

VC could replace JRich but JRich is the better player at this stage of his career. I think VC is a downgrade. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think we are getting the vintage VC.

Agree - granted I haven't seen VC play in a long time but I can't image he is as versatile as JRich.

JRich was not coming back to the Suns anyway (at the money he wanted) and VC prolly won't either, so they are back to square 1 - finding an SG for next year.

 

[BC867]

... they are back to square 1 - finding an SG for next year.

Which is a lot easier to find than a big man who can rebound and play defense, such as Gortat, which was our top priority, thus moving Hedo -- a big man who plays like a Shooting Guard.

 

[DeAnna]

Which is a lot easier to find than a big man who can rebound and play defense, such as Gortat, which was our top priority

from what I've seen of Gortat, I think he'll do pretty well in this offense. Heck, he might even start over Robin.

 

[Folster]

The only valid complaint in my opinion for this trade is that the Suns didn't get the full value of Richardson's play and expiring contract in return because Hedo and his contract negated much of that value. I contend that Richardson's expiring contract or any expiring contract does not have as much value as in past years due to the number of trade exceptions acquired in this summer's free agent bonanza.

The great thing about this trade is that we used it to get rid of Hedo's contract as well as bring in a couple solid pieces. We also reaquired what is essentially an expiring contract in Carter, so we still have that as an asset to improve the team at the deadline. Expiring contracts are ususally appealing to teams that are struggling and are trying to cut salary so the difference in basketball value between Carter and Richardson is a moot point when the team receiving him is likely underperforming and has no intention of resigning him.

 

[jagu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIaK1sBMk3I <---Gortat against Detroit.

I think people need to realize how difficult it is to acquire a big man with skills. Gortat has skills, and thankfully he will be on our team soon. Now I hope Lopez develops well enough to be a viable center or good enough to be traded for the "all-star" that we may need as soon as Nash leaves.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The only valid complaint in my opinion for this trade is that the Suns didn't get the full value of Richardson's play and expiring contract in return because Hedo and his contract negated much of that value. I contend that Richardson's expiring contract or any expiring contract does not have as much value as in past years due to the number of trade exceptions acquired in this summer's free agent bonanza.

There is something to what you say but it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been. Early in the preseason schedule, I started a thread and suggested that our schedule was such that I thought we were in for a lot of trouble. When I made the thread, I was primarily concerned about 2 things in conjunction with our early season schedule.

I was concerned our mix of players plus our tough schedule would lead to us overplaying Nash. Obviously, the worry there is that those minutes will lead to problems later in the season with exhaustion and injury. I'm still worried about this as we have been playing him longer than we should (IMO). It hasn't been as bad as I feared but he's too valuable to our team to take this kind of risk.

The other thing I worried about is that our W/L record would cause the FO to panic and they'd give away too much in order to unburden this roster. AFAIC, they managed to unburden this roster and did so while bringing back almost equal value in return. If we can get something out of Vince Carter (or his contract) we might even have received a premium from this trade. Maybe I'll change my mind after I see Gortat and Pietrus play regularly but IMO this was a incredible job by Babby and company.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Another thing to consider is that if we stayed put and let JRich expire, it would free up some money. But trading him to Orlando allows us to save even more money because VC is actually paid more (I think it's something like 6mil more).

 

[Griffin]

Another thing to consider is that if we stayed put and let JRich expire, it would free up some money. But trading him to Orlando allows us to save even more money because VC is actually paid more (I think it's something like 6mil more).

Carter is paid more, but don't forget that his $4M buyout next season will actually count against the cap. So we'll have about the same amount of cap space (and less if Peitrus picks up his option).

As far as actual financial savings, I think if you factor in the other players and the $3M Orlando paid then there probably aren't any short-term savings (though long-term obviously losing Turkoglu's contract saves a lot).

 

[Chaplin]

Carter is paid more, but don't forget that his $4M buyout next season will actually count against the cap. So we'll have about the same amount of cap space (and less if Peitrus picks up his option).

As far as actual financial savings, I think if you factor in the other players and the $3M Orlando paid then there probably aren't any short-term savings (though long-term obviously losing Turkoglu's contract saves a lot).

Yeah you're right. With next year's commitments being around 13m, that makes sense since that's what Hedo would make if we still had him. So it's a wash.

However, in trades, Carter's contract could conceivably be worth more as an asset than JRich's simply because of the size of it. Even if we added in the 3mil (which we most certainly would), we'd still have a couple million more to play with as far as getting a potential quality return. Of course, if we receive 18million in assets in return, we'd be on the hook for more money next year, but as far as rebuilding goes, if the return is good, then who cares about paying more money?

 

[sunsfan88]

Plus it gives us more flexibility after this season.

Now we can get a "superstar" type player.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...tat-and-the-dream-of-that-next-suns-superstar