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[Biclops]

Who has a list of all the guys we worked out? Anyone in the 15 to 16 range?

First of all welcome to the board

Upon your request...

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Andray Blatche // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ike Diogu // Roko Ukic // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Johan Petro // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Andrew Bynum // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yaroslav Korolev

[/font]Out of all the players that the Suns worked they seem like possible players that might fall in the "15 to 16" range

If you wanna see who the suns have worked out so far go take a look at this post

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55480

 

[Chaplin]

First of all welcome to the board

Upon your request...

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Andray Blatche // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ike Diogu // Roko Ukic // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Johan Petro // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Andrew Bynum // [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yaroslav Korolev

[/font]Out of all the players that the Suns worked they seem like possible players that might fall in the "15 to 16" range

If you wanna see who the suns have worked out so far go take a look at this post

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55480

Hmm... Bynum...

Joe, you'd be happy with that, right?


Wouldn't Joey Graham pretty much be a 15-16 player?

 

[sunsfn]

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He also told me the player we are trying to trade up to get is a player we worked out once and is a stud. According to my boss this player has been staying in the Valley for the past week. Like I said before my boss doesn't have great knowlege about any players other than suns so he doesn't remember his name
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For christ sakes call him again and tell him to make the call and find out....

Welcome to the board...

 

[Biclops]

Can anyone give me a scouting report on Bynum?

I looked at both nbadraft // insidehoops // draftexpress and found no info on this guy

All I can know is he is a highschooler who has been doing pretty good in workouts

 

[Folster]

For christ sakes call him again and tell him to make the call and find out....

I hear you. But he is my boss and he told me not to tell what I already did so I don't want to bug him for the name.

Additional thoughts.

Hasn't Diogu been in the Valley for the past week. Also Bynum stayed in the draft because he got a promise from a lottery team. I remember reading that New Jersey was interested in him with the 15th which is not a lottery pick. Jersey needs the frontcourt help so why would they trade us that pick for Barbosa and probably the 21. Maybe I should just wait and see what happens instead of racking my brain trying to figure out what BC is up to. I trust our talent scouts.

Now that I think about it, Eisley played very well against us when we played Utah. I still don't by it though. Didn't our offense get off track everytime he stepped on the floor while playing for us.

 

[sunsfn]

Can anyone give me a scouting report on Bynum?

I looked at both nbadraft // insidehoops // draftexpress and found no info on this guy

All I can know is he is a highschooler who has been doing pretty good in workouts

ESPN

Draft Projection: No. 10 to 20 overall

Notes: A native of Metuchen, New Jersey. Played his high school ball at St. Joseph High School in Plainsboro. Averaged 21 ppg, 12 rpg and 5 bpg his senior season. Had 13 points and 5 rebounds in 15 minutes at the Jordan Capital Classic. Had 9 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block in 11 minutes at the McDonald's All-American game. Hasn't hired an agent, maintaining his college eligibility. Is committed to UConn.

Positives: After all the talk about how there's no size in the high school Class of 2005, how did scouts miss the gigantic Bynum? Standing a legit seven feet and weighing 300 pounds, Bynum is huge. He has long arms and is athletic and very mobile for a guy of that size. Best of all, he's not afraid to get a little dirty in the paint. Get him on an NBA weight regimen and he could be an absolute monster.

Negatives: He's still very raw offensively and really could use a few years at a top program like UConn. Weight has been an issue in the past. He could stand to lose 20 pounds. Some scouts wonder if he's the second coming of Desagana Diop.

Summary: The big kid is raw, but he's stunned teams with his skills and size in workouts. Rumors abound that the Lakers have made him a promise at No. 10.

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[Biclops]

Some scouts wonder if he's the second coming of Desagana Diop.

that is a little scary

 

[coloradosun]

This is what he told me:

1. The Suns will move up in the draft to the 15th or 16th pick by trading Barbosa. (I assumed that we would also give up the 21st and possibly someone else.) He did not know what player that we wanted to select.

Just read a post on the realgm board that may add support to this claim. Rex Chapman was the reason that the Suns traded to acquire Barbosa. Rex may have bolted because the Suns have lost confidence in his scouting and Barbosa. It was also stated that Rex was high on Francisco Garcia and Suns management were not as enamored as Chapman.

It is interesting that both the Grahams came in for workouts after Rex had left.

 

[Gaddabout]

Guys, Bynum's gonna be gone before the teens. I would speculate he'll be gone by No. 10. I wouldn't take him at No. 10, but he could even be gone by the lottery team that drafts after Frye's taken. Actually, the Knicks are said to crave Frye, but some think it's a feign while they aim to take Bynum.

Whatever, this guy's just not going to be around, as much as I could dream about the Suns sticking at No. 21 and picking him up.

 

[Joe Mama]

If the Phoenix Suns move up to take MA I'll roll myself into the canal. It's not empty this time of year, is it?

Joe

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Hasn't Diogu been in the Valley for the past week.

He was at least here yesterday. I saw him standing on the corner of the Towers (University apartments where he lives) yesterday afternoon after summer school. He was talking to some people, and was definitely not sick. He was all smiles, standing outside in the heat.

Unless he has some 48 hour virus, I think it is pretty clear him being "sick" was fake. He bailed on those workouts for a different reason.....

 

[PhxGametime]

To move up 5 spots, the team is going to Trade Barbosa?

Why don't they just Trade down 5 spots and pick up a player of that caliber... I don't like Ike Diogu that much.


The team would then have 7-8 players (Voskuhl?) and #57 Pick, I read Shirley is gone... I'm not sure about Jake Voskuhl. With hardly any capspace - and then add Eisley as PG... 1 player goes down and the team is screwed.

 

[Chaplin]

Why is everyone all of a sudden supporting Eisley? If you all remember, it wasn't JUST playing time that was bothering him--he couldn't play our style, either.

 

[sunsfn]

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1. The Suns will move up in the draft to the 15th or 16th pick by trading Barbosa. (I assumed that we would also give up the 21st and possibly someone else.) He did not know what player that we wanted to select.
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Maybe the suns are trying to trade up to get the MN pick for Barbosa. Chapman liked him and pushed for the suns to draft him.

Or,

They may also be trying to trade up ahead of MN to draft Garcia before MN does.
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Here is an article with info above and below the picture.
(from draftexpress)


Francisco Garcia to Minnesota?

We’re definitely not sure about this one, but there is certainly some buzz out there so we thought we’d throw it out. A couple of interesting developments have some people believing that Francisco Garcia could possibly be drafted by the Timberwolves come June 28th. For starters, there are rumblings that Rex Chapman is close to landing a gig with the Timberwolves. Chapman recently quit his job with the Phoenix Suns, allegedly out of frustration of being left out of their inside circle when it comes to the decision making process.

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His former assistant coach while he was a player at Kentucky, and the man that even recruited him to college, Dwayne Casey, was recently hired by the Timberwolves as their new head coach. Minnesota is apparently making some room for Chapman now in the front office. It’s no secret that Chapman is a big fan of Garcia’s. Another connection here is an assistant coach at Louisville under Rick Pitino who is being added to Minnesota’s staff as well. Obviously he knows Garcia’s game well. The final straw is the fact that Garcia himself is working out for Minnesota on Monday, the day before the draft. Does one plus one equal two? Let’s wait and find out.

 

[PhxGametime]

Why is everyone all of a sudden supporting Eisley? If you all remember, it wasn't JUST playing time that was bothering him--he couldn't play our style, either.

I'm really not in support either, that's why I said 1 player goes down and team is screwed...

I would rather have Barbosa. Nash goes down and well... a wing goes down and there's no depth there (remember Barbosa is gone in these scenario's), 4 is only position that has depth but KT or Stat go down and it's just not the same team - Marion would then need to play 4, oh actually the team would Draft Ike. Okay deep there The team would need a reliable G/F with hardly any capspace and so many other positions needed to be filled...


I'm not in support of Trade either... I would rather have 1 of many decent Prospects at #21 AND Barbosa. The team doesn't need Ike with KT, IMO. Depth would be nice at the bigs but to Trade away 2 pieces for 1 at #16 - isn't worth the price. For ME anyways, and I've gotten over Ike is from asu...

 

[Joe Mama]

I really don't see Barbosa ever being more than a decent combo guard off the bench, so I wouldn't mind if they used him to trade up. I think he could be quite easily replaced in free agency for the minimum. I'm kind of a different though. If they keep him and tried to use him again at point guard it's OK with me. I think the team has enough other people who can create that it won't be a big problem.

Actually I would be a fit surprised if a team really wanted Barbosa enough to give the Phoenix Suns a higher draft pick.

Howard Eiseley did not work well for the Phoenix Suns a couple years ago. He looked a lot better in Utah though. He's not coming back here anyways. I doubt he would want to come here, and I doubt the Phoenix Suns want him back.

Joe Mama

 

[cly2tw]

In Sloan's Utah system, Eisley always performed well. And he got that atrocious contract from Dallas because his backup play to Stockton. For him to be useful, the team needs to have a lot of set plays. So, he might be a better fit this coming season when we need to shift our offensive focus to featuring Amare's role.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

In Sloan's Utah system, Eisley always performed well. And he got that atrocious contract from Dallas because his backup play to Stockton.

He got the contract from Scott Layden in NY.

 

[George O'Brien]

He got the contract from Scott Layden in NY.

It was based on the reputation Eisley gained with Utah but admittedly Eisley had very good numbers in those years.

I never really understood why Eisley struggled so hard when he was here. It was incredible that Leandro, with no PG experience and unable to speak English very wel,l was much more effective at PG than Eisley. The irony is that Leandro is much improved over his first year, but it doesn't seem that way because the standards so much higher.

BTW, to change the subject, Brevin Knight is an unresticted free agent.

 

[coloradosun]

It was based on the reputation Eisley gained with Utah but admittedly Eisley had very good numbers in those years.

I never really understood why Eisley struggled so hard when he was here. It was incredible that Leandro, with no PG experience and unable to speak English very wel,l was much more effective at PG than Eisley. The irony is that Leandro is much improved over his first year, but it doesn't seem that way because the standards so much higher.

BTW, to change the subject, Brevin Knight is an unresticted free agent.

As a business man, if Sarver thinks that Eisley's contract is basicly still on the Suns books he may say what the hell and bring him back on board. Eisley was waived on 10/29/04, a couple of days before the season started. Obviously no one thought that Eisley's experience would be so valued later on in the season. He was probably let go because if necessary a deal for a backup could be made mid season but no good backups were on the market at that time.

Also, Damon Jones has a player option for 2005-06, have not heard whether or not he will exercise it. If we could give him a moderate raise over the amount and see if Miami is willing to match. Depends on what Miami does in the draft, have read that they are interested in reuniting Wade and Diener.

 

[George O'Brien]

As a business man, if Sarver thinks that Eisley's contract is basicly still on the Suns books he may say what the hell and bring him back on board. Eisley was waived on 10/29/04, a couple of days before the season started. Obviously no one thought that Eisley's experience would be so valued later on in the season. He was probably let go because if necessary a deal for a backup could be made mid season but no good backups were on the market at that time.

Also, Damon Jones has a player option for 2005-06, have not heard whether or not he will exercise it. If we could give him a moderate raise over the amount and see if Miami is willing to match. Depends on what Miami does in the draft, have read that they are interested in reuniting Wade and Diener.

The Florida papers are reporting that the Heat have a contract problem due to the way the new rules apply to second rounders.

Haslem's future key to club's roster plans

MIAMI · A twist in the NBA's new collective-bargaining agreement could put the Heat in an either-or position when it comes to impending free agents Udonis Haslem and Damon Jones.

 

[HooverDam]

It would be great if the Suns could get Jones or someone like him, since IMO we are a little shallow at Guard right now (only 4 guys, LB, JJ, JJax, Nash). But even if we got Jones (or someone like him) I think we should still look for a PG in the 2nd round.

 

[AmareFan]

I too have a friend that works at the AWA offices and he has confirmed that we will trade up in the draft...don't know how or for whom..but we will move up.

 

[George O'Brien]

If you have to carry 14 guys, it makes sense that one of the bottom guys is a point guard. I'm not sure it makes much difference.

 

[asudevil83]

if we are looking to move up in the draft, how about this trade:

Hunter (S&T)
Barbosa
#21

for

Peterson
#16

Toronto gets a big man that they need, and Barbosa makes Alston even more expendable.

We get a good backup SG and move up in the draft.