CBS Projecting Murray Trade

[DVontel]

If they follow plan a, they probably don't compete until 2025 at best,

Would honestly switch these years.

to draft a replacement than this year, and it could be 2026 before the team completes for the playoffs.

 

[TheCardFan]

The question, as others have pointed out, is whether the Cards are better off (a)moving on this off-season and drafting Murray's replacement, or (b) building the rest of the team this off-season, giving Murray one more chance with better weapons and a full off-season in the "new" system, and zero more excuses.

All good points.

I think the other factors that have to be considered:
1) When is Kyler worth the most in trade value?
2) Is Kyler who Monti/JG want to lead their rebuild?

 

[cardpa]

Can the team restructure Murray's contract to lessen the cap hit and increase the trade value? I do understand that Murray would have to agree to it. The question is it possible or not.

 

[kerouac9]

Can the team restructure Murray's contract to lessen the cap hit and increase the trade value? I do understand that Murray would have to agree to it. The question is it possible or not.

Not unless Murray is going to give back money. They can increase the cap hit for us to increase the trade value. I'm not sure what Kyler's incentive is to do that.

 

[Chopper0080]

The question I'm still struggling with is, is Maye going to be better than Kyler & MHJ? If I can't answer yes to that then I'm not making the move. I'd get MHJ and see how the next year plays out unless something surprising happens with the Houston pick. I keep getting the feeling that Maye is going to have a Trubisky type of career too which isn't helping me want to pull the trigger on trading Kyler.

This is the core of the debate IMO. If you think Maye will be better it makes a lot of sense to move on from Kyler.

If you don't, it doesn't.

The third sect has the belief that any QB you put with this roster next year will fail, so focus on getting the roster built up. I disagree with this to a degree but it is a valid concern.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This is the core of the debate IMO. If you think Maye will be better it makes a lot of sense to move on from Kyler.

If you don't, it doesn't.

The third sect has the belief that any QB you put with this roster next year will fail, so focus on getting the roster built up. I disagree with this to a degree but it is a valid concern.

I am firmly in the third sect. It's fine moving on from Kyler but the compensation needs to improve the team overall.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Really though if you build up the roster and it doesn't work with Murray, 2026 is the out year. His cap hit goes down to 20 million to cut or a 30 million savings.

 

[DVontel]

I am firmly in the third sect. It's fine moving on from Kyler but the compensation needs to improve the team overall.

I really don’t get why this isn’t the popular opinion.

 

[kerouac9]

I am firmly in the third sect. It's fine moving on from Kyler but the compensation needs to improve the team overall.

I really don’t get why this isn’t the popular opinion.

Because it's magical thinking. You can't realistically shop Kyler and bring him back if you don't get whatever you're looking for. We went through this exact exercise last year with Hop and we ended up with nothing.

Yes, if someone would give me two firsts for Kyler Murray, I'd take that. But no one's offering that. So what's the minimum trade comp you'd be willing to accept for him?

 

[PJ1]

Really though if you build up the roster and it doesn't work with Murray, 2026 is the out year. His cap hit goes down to 20 million to cut or a 30 million savings.

Then you start over with a new QB. That is a long time for a rebuild.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe. He's also played under much worse conditions since then.

At this point that's the reason to keep trying until it's 100% proven he can't do it.

You want to wait until it’s “100% proven he can’t?!?” That can be another 10 years. That’s professional sports suicide. If this is your logic I now understand why I can’t understand any of your arguments recently.

 

[juza76]

You want to wait until it’s “100% proven he can’t?!?” That can be another 10 years. That’s professional sports suicide. If this is your logic I now understand why I can’t understand any of your arguments recently.

The only logical point considering many factors Is building a better roster and giving Murray a chance, for a couple of years he showed he can be a very good qb

 

[Devilmaycare]

This is the core of the debate IMO. If you think Maye will be better it makes a lot of sense to move on from Kyler.

If you don't, it doesn't.

The third sect has the belief that any QB you put with this roster next year will fail, so focus on getting the roster built up. I disagree with this to a degree but it is a valid concern.

I'm mainly in the third group. I think Keim left this team in bad enough shape that it's going to take this and next off season to really shore up the roster. My inclination is to take MHJ and then build up the trenches this year. Keep Kyler for now so the cap hit isn't taken and we can use the money. We get luckily and he pulls his head out of his butt than we're good (not likely) or we cut trade him next year when the cap hit is a lot less.

 

[TheCardFan]

I really don’t get why this isn’t the popular opinion.

I agree with this as well.

It's not the same as keeping Kyler and building the roster around him - then getting a QB later tho.

 

[Stout]

Really though if you build up the roster and it doesn't work with Murray, 2026 is the out year. His cap hit goes down to 20 million to cut or a 30 million savings.

Man, if it doesn't work with Murray, he'll be history before 2026.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Man, if it doesn't work with Murray, he'll be history before 2026.

That's just two seasons from now.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Because it's magical thinking. You can't realistically shop Kyler and bring him back if you don't get whatever you're looking for. We went through this exact exercise last year with Hop and we ended up with nothing.

Yes, if someone would give me two firsts for Kyler Murray, I'd take that. But no one's offering that. So what's the minimum trade comp you'd be willing to accept for him?

A first and a third.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Then you start over with a new QB. That is a long time for a rebuild.

It's not though. You invest in the team around him for the next two drafts and if it doesn't work then you have a great team to build around for a different QB.

Brock Purdy is great because the team around him is great.

 

[PJ1]

It's not though. You invest in the team around him for the next two drafts and if it doesn't work then you have a great team to build around for a different QB.

Brock Purdy is great because the team around him is great.

If it is a drafted QB you aren’t good the first year. May take a couple of years.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If it is a drafted QB you aren’t good the first year. May take a couple of years.

It doesn't have to be a drafted QB. That same logic applies to drafting a QB this year but it is even more likely they fail.

 

[Fitz4Ever]

This is the core of the debate IMO. If you think Maye will be better it makes a lot of sense to move on from Kyler.

If you don't, it doesn't.

The third sect has the belief that any QB you put with this roster next year will fail, so focus on getting the roster built up. I disagree with this to a degree but it is a valid concern.

FWIW....I watched a video the other day with a bunch of the NFL "experts" saying they had asked FO's around the league to rate Williams and Maye as prospects compared to the last 4 draft classes....meaning rank them in a list including all the QB's from 2021, 22, 23, and 24. The final list had Trevor Lawrence at #1, Maye at #2 and Williams at #3...with 2 and 3 being very close.

Obviously its just projection, but Maye in absolutely considered to be a franchise QB and one of the best prospects in quite a while. He is also by all accounts a great kid on and off the field.

 

[PJ1]

It doesn't have to be a drafted QB. That same logic applies to drafting a QB this year but it is even more likely they fail.

Ok so your plan is to sign a FA QB or trade for one if KM fails.

 

[Stout]

That's just two seasons from now.

Yep. You think they'll stick with him in 2025 if he stinks in 2024? Not a chance.

 

[Stout]

If it is a drafted QB you aren’t good the first year. May take a couple of years.

Right. Hey, let's stick with Murray a few more years and THEN get our QB so we can be good again in--checks notes--2028, maybe?

 

[slanidrac16]

Because it's magical thinking. You can't realistically shop Kyler and bring him back if you don't get whatever you're looking for. We went through this exact exercise last year with Hop and we ended up with nothing.

Yes, if someone would give me two firsts for Kyler Murray, I'd take that. But no one's offering that. So what's the minimum trade comp you'd be willing to accept for him?

Without researching this I would think any trade involving Kyler might have to involve a high priced player in return to offset cap hits.
Is that possible?