He got 4 millions more per year by leaving here. I believe we tagged jones because we wanted to do this deal instead and sign jones later:
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Ha, as our resident negotiations expert, please explain to to me why that wouldn't work.
It's not like there is any mystery as to what Jones will make, and that hasn't changed. So with your vast negotiations expertise, please tell me what is different now.
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I wont begrudge a guy for providing for his family and getting all he can, while he can. When the career is over, the cash flow stops, so its important to max out.
But it does still irk me. That was a very reasonable offer we gave him. And he couldve won here. So this was a 100% money grab. Not complaining, I wish him well. But its a little surprising coming from him.
I'm not surprised at all, its his final big contract and 4 million per year is a lot of money. Also, I am sure their guarantees are MUCH higher than ours were.
now on the other hand, 1 millions less per year was Denver who has much higher odds of winning 
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theee is a chance he will decline Jaguars offer to sign with hometown Team for 1 Million less for season
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How do you know what was on the table before the Cards exercised the Tag to protect their rights?
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CC played college ball for Miami, so there is a Florida connection here.
But it is absolutely just a money grab. Jags are a 4-12 team
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Just an FYI - I'm an attorney. Negotiations are my day to day business. Players are represented by agents (and attorneys). Their goal is not to make the team better but to maximize their players earning power. The team sits in opposite to those goals. They are not trying to make their players rich, they are attempting to get maximum talent at, or below, market value. No two sides agree to a number (particularly with multiple variables like dollars, years, guarantees, timing, etc) when they first sit down. That's patently ridiculous to even consider. Even if the team approached Jones' representatives with the numbers they arrived upon Jones' team would have countered. To believe its as simple as you suggest is asinine. Particularly for a young player.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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Man people are awfully quick to dismiss $1 million. You say he makes so much what's a million dollars. But the truth is, he likely has another 35-50 years of his life. If he wants to live as a rich person for all those years without working again every million helps. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's true.
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They run a variation of the Seattle defense (holdover from Gus Bradley remains DC), which uses bigger DL across the line. Campbell can be effective at any interior line position, so he should be fine.
People are quickly downgrading Campbell because now he'll play somewhere else. He's been a Top 5 3-4 DE for the last five-plus years. He's a matchup nightmare and doesn't have to come off the field. During his "down" season in 2015, he played in 78% of the defensive snaps and making the Pro Bowl.
It's very ugly when fans bemoan guys "don't want to win," or whatever. The Cards were 7-8-1 last year. Saying that they have a chance to chase a ring this year is pure conjecture at this point, particularly if they lose the key pieces we're anticipating. Jacksonville underperformed their pythagorean expectation by 2.5 wins last year, and were a Top 15 defense. He's bascially going to the Arizona Cardinals of the AFC.
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Ouchie, everyone here knows you are an attorney. Quite amusing that you are using a logical fallacy (appeal to authority) to make your argument, as opposed to discussing this particular situation. Everything else you said was just noise and not pertinent to this particular situation. If you want to speak in generalities and blow smoke, that's fine, but it doesn't do much to advance to conversation.
You still haven't given me any explanation as to how the Jones contract he's signing is any different that what he would have received before he got tagged! You honestly believe that there was any room for negotiation? You think the Cards would have somehow gotten a reduced rate by waiting? If so, they really pulled one over on Jones at 50 mil guaranteed and 80+ million!
Simply put, Jones was making 50+ million guaranteed and 80+ million total no matter when we signed him. If we did it before we franchised him, we could have had Campbell back for one year. We have a ONE YEAR WINDOW to win a championship, and we just lost one of our best players on defense with no clear replacement.
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Not only that, but most of these guys take care of a lot
People who got them there who have struggled through life.
And, people forget that right off the bat, half of every contract goes to taxes, another 10 percent prob goes to agent and then they business managers to take care of their money.
Yeah, they are making BANK and living the high life, but like Ouchie said, they want to do that for the rest of their lives so if they can make 10 more million somewhere else, more often than not, that's probably the smart move from a lifestyle perspective.
but he's rumored to be taking 1 mil less to go to denver, soo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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What it all boils down to is: You lose a few vets and you pick up or draft other players. Your goal is that, when all is said & done, your roster nets out improved - from the standpoint of overall talent, depth, plugging up all the weak or missing roster holes etc.
How will we net out? Well, on defense, we're locked in with talent on both edges but missing a 6-7 Pro Bowl DL. we may make up for this if we see significant improvement from NKemdiche (a hope but far from a reality). We could get some help from the draft
At safety, the big issue is whether we lose both TJ and Swearinger or just TJ? To net out a draw, we could tap into our deep group of young DB's, hope we keep Swearinger, or maybe find a gem in the draft.
Bottom line: The ideal situation is that BA&SK have total control of our personnel destiny. Not gonna happen. We have to hope that we draft smart, stay healthy and that our young guys will develop on or ahead of schedule. It's do-able but we're going to have to cross our fingers (not an ideal situation, but if we keep our heads down and make the right percentage moves, we should be OK). But it's no lock - that's for sure.
How will we net out? Well, on defense, we're locked in with talent on both edges but missing a 6-7 Pro Bowl DL. we may make up for this if we see significant improvement from NKemdiche (a hope but far from a reality). We could get some help from the draft
At safety, the big issue is whether we lose both TJ and Swearinger or just TJ? To net out a draw, we could tap into our deep group of young DB's, hope we keep Swearinger, or maybe find a gem in the draft.
Bottom line: The ideal situation is that BA&SK have total control of our personnel destiny. Not gonna happen. We have to hope that we draft smart, stay healthy and that our young guys will develop on or ahead of schedule. It's do-able but we're going to have to cross our fingers (not an ideal situation, but if we keep our heads down and make the right percentage moves, we should be OK). But it's no lock - that's for sure.
miami is like 7 hours from jacksonville. he could fly there faster from arizona.
i didnt know ouchie was an attorney
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He's being linked to Denver as well.
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wait... is he going to Denver or Jags? And is the report he's going to the Broncos for a million less than we offered?
it was reported jags for 15 mil, now there's conflicting reports saying he could take 14 mil and go to denver. i heard it rumored we offered him 10 mil
Reports are he cans till decide. Broncos came in late.
Calais Campbell may go to Broncos as Jags deal appears uncertain
http://arizonasports.com/story/1046113/calais-campbell-free-agent-broncos-jaguars-deal/
http://arizonasports.com/story/1046113/calais-campbell-free-agent-broncos-jaguars-deal/
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Let's put things into perspective -
The difference between the "reported" Den and Jax offers is $1M ($13M/yr vs. $14M/yr)
Colorado state tax is: 4.6% give or take, at all income levels
Florida: no state tax
That comes out to be +$460,000 in income tax that CC would need to pay in Colorado, per year.
The incremental difference is $1M (the extra M) plus the extra $460K - each year, that is equivalent to roughly $1.5M more per year that CC would earn in Jax v Den
So the question then becomes, is $1.5M per year worth going to a terrible franchise? I like what Jax is doing on the D but their team will never go anywhere with Bortles under center...
The difference between the "reported" Den and Jax offers is $1M ($13M/yr vs. $14M/yr)
Colorado state tax is: 4.6% give or take, at all income levels
Florida: no state tax
That comes out to be +$460,000 in income tax that CC would need to pay in Colorado, per year.
The incremental difference is $1M (the extra M) plus the extra $460K - each year, that is equivalent to roughly $1.5M more per year that CC would earn in Jax v Den
So the question then becomes, is $1.5M per year worth going to a terrible franchise? I like what Jax is doing on the D but their team will never go anywhere with Bortles under center...
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Good for him. That's a heck of a lot of cash.
