Chad Ford Chat Today, Suns Future...

[AsUdUdE]

Usually I like chad Ford, He has great insight and usually knows what he is talking about.... HOWEVER

Reading his chat wrap this morning he was saying that a if the suns get the number 4 pick, and the Bulls land the number 2 pick, the suns could package the number 4 pick AND Amare for the number two pick...

Not only do I think he is completly full of it, but there is NO WAY Stoudemire gets packaged to move up.... not even for Durant.

But this got me to thinking....

Now I actually would consider it if it was Marion + #4, and Durant was still on the board at 2.....

The other possibilty that was hinted at without really being discussed was if the Bulls pick is like 6-8. I personally would do a trade of Marion straight up for the Number 6 pick in the draft, If we had the 4th pick as well we could land a combination of Mike Conley Jr. and Corey Brewer, or Al Horford and Mike Conley Jr.... Why this works for the bulls? With Ben Wallace not getting any younger, They could play Marion at the 4, giving them a very scary and potent lineup of :

PG: Hinrich
SG: Gordan
SF: Deng/Nocoini
PF: Marion
C: Wallace

This is a team that would be Perennial pick to win the east and could challenge for an NBA title next year.

While the Suns lineup would be even scarier and young:

PG: Nash/Conley Jr.
SG: Bell/ Barbosa
SF: Brewer/ Jones
PF: Diaw/Tiago Splitter?
C: Amare/ KT

Its a team with a great mixture of youth and veterans, depth and still has the fire power to blow past any team. A future back court of Barbosa and Conley Jr. with a front court of Brewer, Diaw, and Amare makes my mouth water... So If Im Mike Dantoni I am already working the phone lines with Chicago to try to make a deal happend...

Thoughts?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

#4 and AMARE??



Might as well move along now.

 

[elindholm]

Why would the Bulls want Marion? They already have two good SFs.

Marion at PF is not going to take any team to the Finals. Period.

 

[elindholm]

That said, trading Stoudemire isn't completely out of the realm of possibility, if the Suns could find a taker. The Suns are stuck with Marion and Diaw, and the trio doesn't have good chemistry or compatibility. Stoudemire has looked very good this year, but his return has led to only a few extra wins over the course of the entire season -- and, realistically, Barbosa's improvement is probably more responsible for that than Stoudemire's return is.

We all hope that Stoudemire will be a difference-maker in the playoffs, but if he isn't, and the team is starting to fracture at the seams, he might be the one to move. Personally, I would hate to see it, but NBA executives don't get paid to take my feelings into account.

 

[sunsfn]

Here are parts of his chat.
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Shai (Israel): Are the Suns going to get Atlanta's Pick? It's getting too close to the top 3... What do you think they would do with a #4-#6 pick? Could they package it with the other 2 1st rounders and possibly move up?

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Chad Ford: I think Atlanta will end up at No. 4 ... but the draft lottery could screw everything up. If it moves into the top 3, Atlanta keeps their pick. If not the Suns get it. And I do believe they could levage a No. 4 pick or maybe someone like Amare Stoudemire or Shawn Marion to move up. I think we'll see the Suns try to move one of their big salaries this off-season if they don't win the NBA title. The payroll is getting out of control.

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Chad Ford: I could definitely see the Bulls and Suns working out a deal that gave the Suns a talented player or two (Deng, Tyrus Thomas, etc), plus a draft pick for a guy like Stoudemire.

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Kris (Boston): I think Al Thornton will have the most immediate impact of any player in the draft. Agree or Disagree?

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Chad Ford: Diagree ... I think Durant and Oden will ... but in different ways. I also think Al Horford will be ready to play right from the get go. Mike Conley too. And Jeff Green. There are some immediate impact players in this draft. Thornton I actually think will take a little longer as he has to transition to a full time three in the pros.
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Jeff (Iowa): Which goes first - Noah, Horford or Brewer?

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Chad Ford: It really depends on the draft order, though I still think it will likely be Noah first, Horford second and Brewer third. I'm not sure Brewer leap frogs the other two, but I definitely see scenarios where Horford goes ahead of Noah.
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Aaron,Phoenix: How high do you think Conley's ceiling is?

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Chad Ford: If he ever gets a reliable jump shot I think he could be right there with Chris Paul and Deron Williams as one of the best young point guards in the league. Even without the jumper, I think he'll be awfully good.

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SprungOnSports (Long Island): Is it possible that Brandon Wright is getting overlooked?

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Chad Ford: No ... he'll go anywhere between 3 and 7 if he declares.

 

[fordronken]

I'm in the Durant camp now. It wouldn't be my choice, but if Marion or Stoudemire were traded, Durant would be a guy that would still keep me pretty darn excited about the team for a long time.

 

[azirish]

Clearly Chad is smoking something if hie thinks Noah goes first of the Gators.

As for Amare, I think there is something both Chad and Eric are missing. It is common knowledge that it taks almost two years for someone to come back completely from microfracture surgery. Amare has done better than EVERY expected, but he may still get better physically.

Last night he didn't get enough elevation on an attempted lay up and missed. Perhaps what we are seeing is all there will be (a guy who scores 29 in the All Star game), but there is a real chance he will get even closer to 100% physically.

 

[elindholm]

As for Amare, I think there is something both Chad and Eric are missing. It is common knowledge that it taks almost two years for someone to come back completely from microfracture surgery.

I wasn't missing it, but it's not "common knowledge" at all. Stoudemire is already an unusual case in having recovered most of his athleticism after the surgery. If he is destined for even more improvement, great, but there's no useful precedent for predicting what will happen.

You may have missed my point, which is that even if Stoudemire is not the problem, trading him may make the most sense for the Suns given the realities of where they are. Everyone seems to forget that sometimes players get traded even when their teams would prefer to keep them.

I think you also overlooked the part about how I would hate to see it.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Eric, I'm gonna back you up on this one. There are scenarios in which I could support trading Stoudemire. CHI would absolutely be my first stop, too. I would require Tyrus Thomas and either Deng or Hinrich plus a pick and they wouldn't get a pick back. There are other teams who I might call, but CHI would be on speed dial #1....

 

[F-Dog]

If the Suns trade Amare, they need to get somebody out of the deal who's better than Amare is. There's no advantage in watering down the team's base of talent in search of better chemistry.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Can someone explain how the Bulls get the #2 pick? Is this purely the lottery ball bouncing (knowing they have Knicks pick, #8 currently)? Or is there a trade underway that I haven't heard about?

 

[azirish]

How many teams have won the championship without a dominant big that did not have someone named Jordan? I suppose you could say the Pistons, although they certainly had a fair number of upper level bigs if not dominant ones.

And the Suns? KT is a year away from retirement, so Amare is the only inside guy who is not an out of position SF. After 35 years (or whatever it is) of perpetual small ball and stiffs, the Suns finally have an inside guy who can dominate and is expanding his skills set. Now you think it makes sense to trade for an unproven rookie and some nice pieces?

Is it totally out of the question that Amare could get traded? Of course not. But it is extremely unlikely that the Suns could get a roster capable of winning the championship in the process.

 

[TucsonDevil]

BTW, I would support an Amare trade for "someone" better as F-Dog put it. Maybe Orlando would part with Dwight Howard for Amare straight up. Possibly, the Heat would trade Wade for Amare. Or how about the Cavs sending Lebron here for Amare? Of course those scenarios wouldn't help our financial situation.

Did you catch the

In all honesty, I would consider trading Amare in two years (if we haven't won the championship) to Utah for Deron Williams, player x, and a pick(s). (of course, I assume we landed Horford with the #4 pick in this scenario).

 

[elindholm]

Is it totally out of the question that Amare could get traded? Of course not. But it is extremely unlikely that the Suns could get a roster capable of winning the championship in the process.

I agree. Unfortunately, it's also extremely unlikely that they will win the championship getting outrebounded by a dozen per game. And it's just as unlikely that Sarver will pay eight figures of luxury tax a year for a team that can't get out of the conference finals.

All I'm saying is, if they fall short this year, something may give.

 

[Covert Rain]

Trade Amare for an unproven college player???



I wouldn't even traid Marion for an unproven college player. There is NO scenario in which I trade Amare (who is considered one of the best big men in the NBA RIGHT NOW) for a college player? WTF for?

If you make that trade it's to get a young talented big man. We already have that in Amare. So your going to subtract Amare to bring in someone like him? Someone you hope can play up to his level? Are you freaking serious?

Why are people so obsessed with trading players with the pick? The Suns won't have to. I bet the Suns could move up just with the two 1st rounders and a throw in player. Even if you wanted to trade Marion you better get something much better then a higer pick in the draft. But Amare? The guy is only 24. FRACK!

 

[fordronken]

If we do trade Amare, it would be really nice to have somebody who can score in the post, and ideally, even rebound.

 

[F-Dog]

If we do trade Amare, it would be really nice to have somebody who can score in the post, and ideally, even rebound.

And block shots, too--don't forget about that.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Trade Amare for an unproven college player???



I wouldn't even traid Marion for an unproven college player. There is NO scenario in which I trade Amare (who is considered one of the best big men in the NBA RIGHT NOW) for a college player? WTF for?

If you make that trade it's to get a young talented big man. We already have that in Amare. So your going to subtract Amare to bring in someone like him? Someone you hope can play up to his level? Are you freaking serious?

Why are people so obsessed with trading players with the pick. The Suns won't have to. I bet the Suns could move up just with the two 1st rounders and a throw in player. Even if you wanted to trade Marion you better get something much better then a higer pick in the draft. But Amare? The guy is only 24. FRACK!

Completly agree with you on Amare.... And I think we should trade Marion ONLY IF sarver won't pay... and in that scernio trading him for someone like Cory Brewer or Mike Conley Jr. is a hell of a lot better than doing something stupid like trading him at the Trade deadline for expiring contracts and a role player!

 

[Cheesebeef]

wow - I can't believe trading Amare talk is actually going on... actually I can and it saddens me greatly.

man, I don't know what to think of this team right now - trade whispers, closed door meetings, continued lineup tinkering? This ain't the way to go into the playoffs. And as far as the draft is concerned, man it would be nice to have the brain trust who drafted Nash, Marion, Amare, Barbosa, traded for JJ and added KT and Raja working that oh so crucial hopeful lotto pick. Seriously, BC may have had his share of ups and downs early in his career as GM, but is there any doubt that the guy is the best GM in the league right now, having completely revamped the Suns from a 29 win team into a 62 game winner, then losing Amare and JJ and still putting pieces in place to get back to the WCF and then he goes to an absolutely moribund franchise and makes some key signings and controversial trades that has a perenial lottery team already win their division?

 

[TucsonDevil]

...I don't know what to think of this team right now - trade whispers, closed door meetings, continued lineup tinkering? This ain't the way to go into the playoffs.

It's all an elaborate ruse to have opposing teams believe the Suns aren't ready.


Or it's true, they aren't ready.
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[AsUdUdE]

Furthemore... a team like the bobcats (with Wallace's pending Free Agency), T-Wolves, Blazers, or even the sonics, could all be interested in acquiring Marion for a pick..... And ASSUMING Sarver is not going to pay the tax, and we can't tradxe Diaw, I would strongly consider these teams, with the eye on drafting Conley Jr. or cory Brewer (assuming they are availble).... Otherwise, I wouldn't... those two WILL be special and look great in a suns uniform....

 

[elindholm]

I think it's very unlikely that Stoudemire will be traded, and it would be a terribly sad day for the franchise if it were to happen. I'm just saying I wouldn't be knocked-on-my-butt shocked by it.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

ASU:

Wallace is a FA? I'd trade Marion in a heartbeat for Wallace (S&T), a backup PG (they have a couple decent ones) and their pick! What more could they ask for?

 

[azirish]

I agree. Unfortunately, it's also extremely unlikely that they will win the championship getting outrebounded by a dozen per game. And it's just as unlikely that Sarver will pay eight figures of luxury tax a year for a team that can't get out of the conference finals.

All I'm saying is, if they fall short this year, something may give.

Rebounding and low post defense are my biggest concerns. Unfortunately KT is a lot slower than he was before he got injured and even then was not a GREAT fit. That's why I am so puzzled by all the people who want to draft another soft shooter like Yi.

It may sound odd, but I'm almost hoping that Horford turns out to be shorter than listed. I have an overwhelming fear that if he measures at 6'10" he'll go third. If he measures only 6'8" he could drop to 7 or 8.

 

[Ronin]

Trade Amare for an unproven college player???



I wouldn't even traid Marion for an unproven college player. There is NO scenario in which I trade Amare (who is considered one of the best big men in the NBA RIGHT NOW) for a college player? WTF for?

If you make that trade it's to get a young talented big man. We already have that in Amare. So your going to subtract Amare to bring in someone like him? Someone you hope can play up to his level? Are you freaking serious?

Why are people so obsessed with trading players with the pick? The Suns won't have to. I bet the Suns could move up just with the two 1st rounders and a throw in player. Even if you wanted to trade Marion you better get something much better then a higer pick in the draft. But Amare? The guy is only 24. FRACK!

Chad Ford is starting to reach Sam Smith’s level at starting trade rumors……