Challenge: Who better than Levi Brown ?

[52brandon]

Yet, one has to accept, IMHO, that this is a band-aid fix. A long term solution needs to be found.

as is the case with much of our offense (Kolb/Skelton are not it at QB, and Peyton would be a band-aid. Beanie hasn't had a healthy season yet. No #2 WR). The sad realization is that by the time we have long-term solutions at many of the positions, Fitz will be getting old

 

[RugbyMuffin]

as is the case with much of our offense (Kolb/Skelton are not it at QB, and Peyton would be a band-aid. Beanie hasn't had a healthy season yet. No #2 WR). The sad realization is that by the time we have long-term solutions at many of the positions, Fitz will be getting old

Says you

Double Deuce can drive this train!

 

[LarryStalling]

If Levi is the worst tackle in the league, just think how bad our reserves must be. I wonder if management believe that Batiste is not just as good of a tackle as Levi considering the difference in cost between the 2 of them. Batiste did not play that badly when given an opportunity last year if I remember correctly. He played so little that it is actually pretty difficult to evaluate him without being privy to his practice performance. It just makes you wonder if the team is not comfortable with him as a replacement and drafting a tackle to go with him.

 

[Mitch]

The best stop-gap answer might be Chad Clifton who would re-join Daryn Colledge as a left side tandem---that is if Clifton is recovered from his injuries.

For this reason, I would like to see the Cardinals draft Tom Compton of South Dakota in Round 3 or 4. I thought his performance at the combine was impressive.

While we have never seen him play versus first team starters, I am still curious to see how D'Anthony Batiste would fare---his play at LT versus second teamers last pre-season was virtually flawless---as was his technique. He knows the system and he sets up faster in pass pro than Levi.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Are we talking salary or performance & skill ?

Cause if salary dictates ability then Kolb should be the MVP of the league next year, and Stewart Bradley will be in the Pro Bowl.

The Redskins prove every year that a big salary doesn't mean big production so I am not sure the point that is trying to be made here.

My response was to Mr. Hyperbole, who seems to believe that Levi should be out of the league. I watch enough tape closely to see when an individual blows his assignment and when others have failed, and Levi is nowhere near the liability that some make out. That's what they'll be buying on the open market and I suggest Levi will do quite well. I offer no guarantee of results, and nor can anyone else.

 

[52brandon]

My response was to Mr. Hyperbole, who seems to believe that Levi should be out of the league. I watch enough tape closely to see when an individual blows his assignment and when others have failed, and Levi is nowhere near the liability that some make out. That's what they'll be buying on the open market and I suggest Levi will do quite well. I offer no guarantee of results, and nor can anyone else.

lmao. I seem to have really touched a nerve. Never expected to see such steadfast defense of the man affectionately referred to as the "human turnstyle"

 

[Crazy Canuck]

lmao. I seem to have really touched a nerve. Never expected to see such steadfast defense of the man affectionately referred to as the "human turnstyle"

BIM: turnstile

 

[52brandon]

BIM: turnstile

lol, thanks. Never much cared to learn the word since there's like 3 in the PHX area

and one is on the Cardinals

 

[kerouac9]

My response was to Mr. Hyperbole, who seems to believe that Levi should be out of the league. I watch enough tape closely to see when an individual blows his assignment and when others have failed, and Levi is nowhere near the liability that some make out. That's what they'll be buying on the open market and I suggest Levi will do quite well. I offer no guarantee of results, and nor can anyone else.

This. Kevin Kolb made Levi look worse than he was playing early in the season. The coaching staff seems happy with him. We're not going to hang the future of the franchise on him, but people suggesting that we'd be just as good with Jeremy Bridges over there or D'Anthony Baptiste don't see what Levi Brown CAN do.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think our LT next year is going to be Martin out of Stanford. They've painted themselves into a corner... again and will have to draft a tackle out of need and while I really dont like Martin's prospects as a LT he will be whats left as the premium players get gobbled up.

I really hope I'm wrong but I dont see any way around it. A rookie will almost certainly start at one of the tackle spots, Reiff and Kalil will be long gone... that leaves Adams and Martin, both of whom should be taken at least 10 slots past #13.

Maybe that Cincy rumor will prove true and the Cardinals will trade down. I could stomach Martin in the late 1st, especially if it allows us to get a 2nd rounder.

 

[Phrazbit]

This. Kevin Kolb made Levi look worse than he was playing early in the season. The coaching staff seems happy with him. We're not going to hang the future of the franchise on him, but people suggesting that we'd be just as good with Jeremy Bridges over there or D'Anthony Baptiste don't see what Levi Brown CAN do.

Levi is certainly not good at stopping rushers dead in their tracks but a ton of the sacks he gave up last year were plays where he did what he was supposed to. He was getting beat but he pushed the rusher deep into the offensive backfield... unfortunately that is where Kolb would be during one of his patented 15 step drops, or he would spare the rusher the challenge of finding him between the hashes and just roll out, putting the rusher between him and his tackles, where obviously he has no help.

 

[52brandon]

This. Kevin Kolb made Levi look worse than he was playing early in the season. The coaching staff seems happy with him. We're not going to hang the future of the franchise on him, but people suggesting that we'd be just as good with Jeremy Bridges over there or D'Anthony Baptiste don't see what Levi Brown CAN do.

Levi didn't suddenly suck last year though

I think our LT next year is going to be Martin out of Stanford. They've painted themselves into a corner... again and will have to draft a tackle out of need and while I really dont like Martin's prospects as a LT he will be whats left as the premium players get gobbled up.

I really hope I'm wrong but I dont see any way around it. A rookie will almost certainly start at one of the tackle spots, Reiff and Kalil will be long gone... that leaves Adams and Martin, both of whom should be taken at least 10 slots past #13.

Maybe that Cincy rumor will prove true and the Cardinals will trade down. I could stomach Martin in the late 1st, especially if it allows us to get a 2nd rounder.

I thought Martin was projected as a top 15 pick...

 

[kerouac9]

Levi didn't suddenly suck last year though

He was underwhelming his entire career. But he didn't suck at the end of 2011, either. He was blocking for Derek Anderson and Max Hall running around like an idiot for most of the year.

Brown is dispiritingly terrible at the beginning of every season, and because the last two years the Cards season has ended in October, that's the lasting impression that he's left. Phrazbit is right on in saying that Brown does a good job doing what he's supposed to in pass pro, the problem is either the QB holding the ball too long (Anderson & Skelton) or running himself into immediate sacks (Kolb).

The fact that we ended up in so many 2nd-and-14 positions is mainly because Kolb was playing poorly behind the LOS last season, not because Levi Brown was playing any worse than he usually does early in the year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This. Kevin Kolb made Levi look worse than he was playing early in the season. The coaching staff seems happy with him.

the coaching staff seemed happy with both Brown and Keith going into last season after both were ATROCIOUS the year before as well. what the coaching staff is "happy" with on the O-line scares the crap out of me.

 

[Phrazbit]

I thought Martin was projected as a top 15 pick...

He has slipped some, McShay has him going 18th, because of need for OTs he is getting selected higher than he is rated as a prospect. Kiper has us drafting him but rates him much lower on his big board.

And he does not rate well as a pass blocker, he is a better rush blocker by far.

To me, he reeks of a 1st round reach because of a need... which is how we ended up with Levi. And even though he is better suited to be a RT we will probably plop him at LT where he will get smoked by quick NFL ends.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I also think Martin will be our starting LT next year and Anthony Collins will be on right side. Ideally if we let Levi go, the Cards would sign Bell and Collins then draft DeCastro. But, that's not going to happen. However, like Chopper mentioned, the Cards can get 2 tackles for the price of Levi's bonus and that could be Bell and Collins. It would be more plausible if we had a GM that had some kind of clue.

 

[CardLogic]

Deja vu, all over again...

 

[Catfish]

I believe that bringing Levi back is the BEST move we could make along our OL this off-season. He has been asked to do what no other LT has been asked, (to protect as many times a year as we throw the ball, and do it without any help). Other LT's protect as often, but most get help. Levi has been on an Island all along. He has performed better than most under those conditions.

My concern with the FO is not having made arrangements in advance for replacing him with a younger player, (or locking him up long term). After all, he has missed virtually no time playing due to injury, illness etc. It is not like we didn't see this coming. To me, that is simply a no, no for a front office.

 

[52brandon]

He has slipped some, McShay has him going 18th, because of need for OTs he is getting selected higher than he is rated as a prospect. Kiper has us drafting him but rates him much lower on his big board.

And he does not rate well as a pass blocker, he is a better rush blocker by far.

To me, he reeks of a 1st round reach because of a need... which is how we ended up with Levi. And even though he is better suited to be a RT we will probably plop him at LT where he will get smoked by quick NFL ends.

really? I'm kinda surprised he's rated low as a pass blocker, when he's protected the blind side of the guy that is considered the best QB in the draft in decades

 

[Duckjake]

This. Kevin Kolb made Levi look worse than he was playing early in the season. The coaching staff seems happy with him. We're not going to hang the future of the franchise on him, but people suggesting that we'd be just as good with Jeremy Bridges over there or D'Anthony Baptiste don't see what Levi Brown CAN do.

There's no suggesting to it. We were just as good with Jeremy Bridges over there. Just like we were just as good with LJ Shelton at LT but Denny Green was an idiot and moved an all-pro guard over there for no other reason than money.

 

[kerouac9]

really? I'm kinda surprised he's rated low as a pass blocker, when he's protected the blind side of the guy that is considered the best QB in the draft in decades

He protected the blind side with the help of a tight end and frequently a running back. Watch the film on him and you'll see a TE lined up beside him 80% of the time or more.

You don't see that with Matt Kalil, and you don't see it with Riley Reiff.

 

[52brandon]

He protected the blind side with the help of a tight end and frequently a running back. Watch the film on him and you'll see a TE lined up beside him 80% of the time or more.

You don't see that with Matt Kalil, and you don't see it with Riley Reiff.

I will look at it more. I'm not too big on the NCAA, so I didn't watch all of their games, but of the ones I did watch, I wasn't exactly focused on the LT play either. Didn't even consider the possibility of him coming here at the time

 

[Buckybird]

Anyone not named Levi Brown

 

[kerouac9]

I will look at it more. I'm not too big on the NCAA, so I didn't watch all of their games, but of the ones I did watch, I wasn't exactly focused on the LT play either. Didn't even consider the possibility of him coming here at the time

Just YouTube the players' names, and there'll be really nice scouting breakdowns really for the top 150 or so prospects. YouTube is a godsend for the armchair scout.

I wish I saw more videos of Cody Glenn playing LT for UGA. The first one I looked had had him still at LG.

 

[THESMEL]

Bridges has heart and mediocre ability in the system. He will probably replace him, or Keith moves over and Bridges takes RT until a rookie develops.