Channing Frye

[Black Jesus]

Real quick question...

Anyone think Artest knows who he is yet?

 

[Chaplin]

Absolutely he should still play. Once he hits that first 3 (which will come eventually), the Lakers will have to pay attention.

I think they should run a couple isolation plays down on the post for him. Putting him at the free throw line last night to shoot the illegal D technical was a brilliant move. Unfortunately, it didn't work, but it was still a good move by Coach.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Anyone think Artest knows who he is yet?

After he made that free throw? You bet he knows who Frye is now, Artest will be seeing that shot in his nightmares for years.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Absolutely he should still play. Once he hits that first 3 (which will come eventually), the Lakers will have to pay attention.

I think they should run a couple isolation plays down on the post for him. Putting him at the free throw line last night to shoot the illegal D technical was a brilliant move. Unfortunately, it didn't work, but it was still a good move by Coach.

I agree. As much as he has frustrated me and failed to show up, you can't stop now. He was part of the reason we played so well down the stretch. JRich earlier this season had a long dry spell and everyone was jumping down his throat. Soon after he went on a tear that has lasted the rest of the season.

Worse case scenario you pull him if things are not going well. You still have to make the attempt to get him involved. I like your suggestion of trying to get him a few around the basket to get him started.

 

[Black Jesus]

After he made that free throw? You bet he knows who Frye is now, Artest will be seeing that shot in his nightmares for years.

Steve

I thought for sure he was going to miss that. That would have been absolutely HILARIOUS.

Frye is going to be forced to take that player option unfortunately. I was expecting some cap space to open up. haha.

 

[jagu]

Another year of Frye?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes...just don't ask him to score 20. Ask him to rebound,mix it up in the paint,put a hand up in someone's face,make the guy in front of him work for a good shot etc...

His offense will come if you take the pressure off & gameplan him to do other things.
IMO

Good strategy. Frye needs to find his comfort zone by concentrating on the other parts of his game until he finds his game again. IMO, it's all mental.

An alternative strategy (although I don't know how Frye would respond) is to play Collins in his spot for a few minutes off the bench. If he is competitive this might stoke his fire. However, I'm afraid Frye is a bit more fragile like Barbosa.

 

[jibikao]

You know if Suns' 3pt shooting has been pretty poor in this series so far. Besides Dudley's 5/5, I think Suns hasn't played their game yet.

I have a feeling Game 4, our bench players' 3pt will fall and Lakers will be surprised by how many weapons we have.

Defense is important but defense on a "shooter" is sometimes over-rated. When a shooter is hot and determined, there is little you can do to stop the shots unless you don't even give him a chance to get the ball. Frye is quite tall and unless he's been shooting "fade away" shots all the time to avoid being blocked, he has little excuse to make only 1/20. If the shot is not there, there are so many other things he can do.. like pass out or drive in with a pump fake? He is mentally not ready for this game. Lopez on the other hand has shown that he is ready and he didn't even play the first two series.

The good sign is Suns still won with poor 3pt shooting.

 

[jagu]

You know if Suns' 3pt shooting has been pretty poor in this series so far. Besides Dudley's 5/5, I think Suns hasn't played their game yet.

I have a feeling Game 4, our bench players' 3pt will fall and Lakers will be surprised by how many weapons we have.

Defense is important but defense on a "shooter" is sometimes over-rated. When a shooter is hot and determined, there is little you can do to stop the shots unless you don't even give him a chance to get the ball. Frye is quite tall and unless he's been shooting "fade away" shots all the time to avoid being blocked, he has little excuse to make only 1/20. If the shot is not there, there are so many other things he can do.. like pass out or drive him with a pump fake? He is mentally not ready for this game. Lopez on the other hand has shown that he is ready and he didn't even play the first two series.

The good sign is Suns still won with poor 3pt shooting.

I agree, there is little to stop good shooters from shooting. The fact is that the Suns missed a LOT of open 3 point shots so far that normally fall. Scared? Maybe. Off? Maybe. Who knows. The Suns already faced good defensive teams this playoffs and shot decently from three.

 

[Cheesebeef]

1/20... WOW.

I'm calling my shot... the bench rains 3s supreme, we win Game 4 in a rout. Just a hunch.

 

[Cheesewater]

1/20... WOW.

I'm calling my shot... the bench rains 3s supreme, we win Game 4 in a rout. Just a hunch.

Word. I have the same feeling. They're going to leave Channing more because he's sucking eggs right now. Gentry, who is a damn fine coach, will have Frye prepared to go nuts.

 

[TJ]

Word. I have the same feeling. They're going to leave Channing more because he's sucking eggs right now. Gentry, who is a damn fine coach, will have Frye prepared to go nuts.

Oh hell yea!!!

Shooting slumps happen to the best b-ball players. Maybe not to the degree that Frye has right now, but it is absolutely feasible and probable that he regains his composure and starts hitting his shots.

I think what triggered his tentativeness last night was the first three he took where he did that little pump fake and then shot the ball. That's not his game. Catch and shoot. should take no more than 0.8 seconds to execute

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

When Frye find his shot we have a chance to blow out the Lakers. If he can come out and make his first two 3s then it changes the entire game. Once that happens, Gasol or Bynum has to come out to cover Frye leaving the lane open for Amare and Nash to roam. He is an absolute game changer and there is no way he will continue to shoot like this for the next few games. We have seen what he can do, three games don't change an entire season of work.

the problem is it's not just 3 games. i haven't looked, but i'm willing to bet his shooting percentage and overall performance against the lakers all season is dreadful.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i really wonder if it wouldn't be effective to try to get frye off in a manner other than having him jack up 3's. what i mean is, if he feels he's producing he'll gain confidence that will hopefully carry over to his 3 point shot. maybe try to switch the lakers into a mismatch and have him post up and draw a foul, get to the FT line. watch the ball go through the hoop a couple of times. have him successfully pass out of the post for an assist. get him "success" on the court in other areas instead of trying to get him successful in the one area in which his failure is blatantly obvious (not to mention difficult - we're trying to pump confidence back into him by having him undertake one of the most difficult shots on the floor . . . a 3 pointer). just a thought.

 

[82CardsGrad]

i really wonder if it wouldn't be effective to try to get frye off in a manner other than having him jack up 3's. what i mean is, if he feels he's producing he'll gain confidence that will hopefully carry over to his 3 point shot. maybe try to switch the lakers into a mismatch and have him post up and draw a foul, get to the FT line. watch the ball go through the hoop a couple of times. have him successfully pass out of the post for an assist. get him "success" on the court in other areas instead of trying to get him successful in the one area in which his failure is blatantly obvious (not to mention difficult - we're trying to pump confidence back into him by having him undertake one of the most difficult shots on the floor . . . a 3 pointer). just a thought.

Seriously dude... that sounds nice, but when have you ever seen Frye do any of that?? The guy is a friggin marshmellow in the paint/down low. Post up?? My 13 year old son can play with his back to the rim better than Frye can...
Honestly, the guy is simple in a slump, period. He needs to shoot his way out of it. Lets hope that happens at some point in the game tomorrow!!!

 

[jibikao]

the problem is it's not just 3 games. i haven't looked, but i'm willing to bet his shooting percentage and overall performance against the lakers all season is dreadful.

I don't understand who was guarding Frye that well on the 3pt line? Artest? Artest is only 6'7 and Frye is freaking 6'11. I refuse to believe Frye can't shoot over Artest. And if the shot is not there, don't risk it. If Artest knew Frye is going to fire a shot every time he catches, Frye can easily pump fake to draw a foul or go inside. Does Frye know how to dribble?

It's all in his head.

If he can't score, he has no place on the court. Give all the minutes to Jared and Dragic.

 

[Errntknght]

I expect Gentry will continue to give him chances and probably do something along the line of what Ouchie suggests. He played better last night except for his shooting so he wasn't a total loss - and he looked somewhat less dispirited, too. Hopefully, he'll have his mind made up that he'll shoot without thinking about it until the coach tells him to stop.

 

[Absolute Zero]

You heard it here first. Frye will nail at least 4 three pointers in Game 4. He has lulled the Lakers into a false sense of security. There will be more focus on Amare and Nash. Frye will be left open, and will be draining them.

 

[jagu]

You heard it here first. Frye will nail at least 4 three pointers in Game 4. He has lulled the Lakers into a false sense of security. There will be more focus on Amare and Nash. Frye will be left open, and will be draining them.

You say it is as if he meant to do it lol. If I were the Lakers I'd be feeling very secure right now about Frye.

 

[mojorizen7]

The LAKERS are a good defensive team,they've guarded our shooters fairly well,add to that Frye is not a very good pro basketball player, he's being asked to produce in the WCF, and the mystery unfolds.

Ouchie you echoed my thoughts earlier in the thread(post#34).
Frye is feeling the pressure to score points. Gameplan him to do other things and i'll bet his shot returns.
I was one of the first guys back in November who bagged on Frye for being a one-dimensional softie, but his 3pt scoring off the bench is a big reason we've made it this far into the playoffs, so we're gonna need him.

Even if he's incapable of stopping a Lamar Odom on defense....(Gentry) should ask Frye to focus on just that(or something LIKE that).

I remember in '93 when Westy decided to put KJ on MJ defensively in order to get him going. It was one of the few brilliant strategies Westphaul came up with but it worked.

 

[dodie53]

put him in,
maybe he'll foul kobe or pau hard.
hehe

 

[BC867]

it's not a question of whether Frye should play or not.

It's a question of how many minutes should he take from Lopez, if Lopez is working his way toward starter's minutes, now that he's back.

To rephrase what I've said before, Lopez allows Amar'e to be Amar'e.

Frye forces Amar'e to try to be Shaq. And that doesn't work . . . especially in the playoffs.

 

[az1965]

Frye is pissed... good. Hopefully, that may light a tiny bit of spark under his ass.

 

[Chaplin]

Seriously dude... that sounds nice, but when have you ever seen Frye do any of that?? The guy is a friggin marshmellow in the paint/down low. Post up?? My 13 year old son can play with his back to the rim better than Frye can...
Honestly, the guy is simple in a slump, period. He needs to shoot his way out of it. Lets hope that happens at some point in the game tomorrow!!!

He can do it. We just don't see him do it because USUALLY he's effective on the perimeter, whether it's making 3s or dragging a big man out of the paint. In this series, he has done neither. He's not particularly consistent to begin with, but 3 games in a row like this is not usual for him. If people put aside the hate for just a second, they can see why we still have to play Channing Frye. That shot will eventually fall, and when it does, the Lakers will have to change the way they defend us.

 

[Chaplin]

it's not a question of whether Frye should play or not.

It's a question of how many minutes should he take from Lopez, if Lopez is working his way toward starter's minutes, now that he's back.

To rephrase what I've said before, Lopez allows Amar'e to be Amar'e.

Frye forces Amar'e to try to be Shaq. And that doesn't work . . . especially in the playoffs.

For me the biggest question for Robin is conditioning. He never played 35 minutes a game before his injury, it'll be tough for him to play 25 on a consistent basis right now (and still be productive). I'll be pretty surprised in Game 4 if he approaches what he did in Game 3.