Charlotte roster, salaries

[Gaddabout]

Charlotte roster, salaries, according to hoopshype.com:
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[Divide Et Impera]

Give them Marion for May straight up and sign one or two of Barnes, Outlaw or Udoka....

 

[asudevil83]

Marion and Wallace on the same team? makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Diaw for May though.....a little more sensical.

Marion/Banks for Wallace (S&T)/Knight.......sign me up

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I was joking, but Wallace is a pure GF combo guy, so Felton-Wallace-Marion-#8-Okafor is a very good lineup....

Besides, having Wallace on their roster next year is not a given. He could end up walking....

I like your trade idea so long as Wallace's salary is say $9M - $10M max....

 

[Gaddabout]

I look at this and see lots of possibilities. My question is do we want anyone on the roster that they have under contract? Probably not anyone they give in return. People mention Brevin Knight -- who I also like -- but others have noted he's been here before and failed. Charlotte doesn't even need us to unload him. All they have to do is renounce their team option and he's off the books like stardust.

So that leaves us looking at their No. 8 pick. Do we want to unload Marion's salary for the No. 8? I think that takes our team down a notch.

 

[tobiazz]

Diaw for May
Diaw + #24 for #8
Banks + ATL pick + 24/29 for #8

maybe?

 

[sharkman]

Diaw for May
Diaw + #24 for #8
Banks + ATL pick + 24/29 for #8
maybe?

Banks (approx $4mil x 4 years) and Diaw ($9mil x 5 years) are now liabilities (not assets) since their contracts are guaranteed, and they exceed their production value.

Any trade to unload Bank's salary would have to be along the lines of:
Banks + #24 for nothing (and I can't think of many teams under the cap that would even do that). Other than that team's may take his contract if he's part of a deal involving another player they really covet (like Amare or Marion).

We probably only have one shot at trading Diaw and his Base Year Contract this Summer...if Iavaroni goes to Memphis. The Suns coaches still love Diaw's potential as a distributor, and if he's in shape he can cause matchup problems.

Diaw plus Piatkowski for either Mike Miller or Stromile Swift. Memphis is enough under the cap to absorb Diaw's deal. Memphis could use their number 4 pick to replace either one.

 

[Gaddabout]

Diaw plus Piatkowski for either Mike Miller or Stromile Swift. Memphis is enough under the cap to absorb Diaw's deal. Memphis could use their number 4 pick to replace either one.

Piatkowski won't be traded for many reasons. The Suns literally lured him out of retirement.

 

[sharkman]

Piatkowski won't be traded for many reasons. The Suns literally lured him out of retirement.

The only reason to include Piatkowski in any trade would be to make salaries work. No team has Piatkowski as a target, so they'd have to accept that he could retire rather than report...but I don't think he has a no trade clause.

 

[elindholm]

The only reason to include Piatkowski in any trade would be to make salaries work. No team has Piatkowski as a target, so they'd have to accept that he could retire rather than report...but I don't think he has a no trade clause.

Right. Actually, although we all like to harp on the Suns' stupidity in signing useless players to multi-year deals, signing Piatkowski for two years was brilliant. There are lots of trade scenarios in which being able to include his salary is critical. The Suns still probably won't make any of those trades, but it was very clever to give themselves the option.

 

[Gaddabout]

I still think the Suns want Piatkowski in the organization elsewhere, so I don't think they'd trade him for any reason, but ...

if they traded him to Charlotte and he retired, wouldn't Charlotte in effect have his salary count against their cap number in dead weight for year? Not a big hit, admittedly, but I guess it depends if they are seriously looking at free agents this year. It only takes a couple of signings and some guaranteed rookie salary to push that number back up there. Diaw's ain't small at $9 mil.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, Marion to MIL for Simmons/Gadzuric/#6 works and we can either get Noah or trade back down with ATL (if Conley's available at #6) #6/Banks for #11/Jones/Lue to get Thornton....

Nash-Lue
Bell-Barbosa
Simmons-Thornton-JJones
Stoudemrie-Diaw-SJones
Thomas-Gadzuric

 

[tobiazz]

Banks (approx $4mil x 4 years) and Diaw ($9mil x 5 years) are now liabilities (not assets) since their contracts are guaranteed, and they exceed their production value.

I'm not so sure about that being the case with Diaw. He is still a versatile big man and some teams may believe his numbers would pick up if he was wasn't sharing a front court with Amare.

Any trade to unload Bank's salary would have to be along the lines of:
Banks + #24 for nothing (and I can't think of many teams under the cap that would even do that). Other than that team's may take his contract if he's part of a deal involving another player they really covet (like Amare or Marion).

In essence, my Banks trade was yours above (Banks + #24 for cap space) plus (ATL pick for #8). The ATL pick could end up being worse than #8, but it could also end up being the #1. The Suns may be better off having a guaranteed decent pick now to help in a title run, whereas the Bobcats may prefer to roll the dice to get a stud next year. In addition, having that pick available for trades next year could help them if they are no longer under the cap and want to upgrade a player on the roster.

 

[asudevil83]

Well, Marion to MIL for Simmons/Gadzuric/#6 works and we can either get Noah or trade back down with ATL (if Conley's available at #6) #6/Banks for #11/Jones/Lue to get Thornton....

Nash-Lue
Bell-Barbosa
Simmons-Thornton-JJones
Stoudemrie-Diaw-SJones
Thomas-Gadzuric

why not just make it:

Marion/Banks/#24 for Simmons/Gadz/Skinner/#6

and then use the #6 for Conley ourselves. it keeps Atlanta from getting better, and at the same time addresses a need we have.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Hmmm....

Nash-Conley
Bell-Barbosa
Simmons-Jones
Stoudemire-Diaw-Skinner
Thomas-Gadzuric

I have actually wanted Skinnner on this team for a few years now. I think I would do that trade....

 

[The Commish]

why not just make it:

Marion/Banks/#24 for Simmons/Gadz/Skinner/#6

and then use the #6 for Conley ourselves. it keeps Atlanta from getting better, and at the same time addresses a need we have.

Still early, but it looks like Atlanta will take Conley at #3.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I actually think Atlanta will wind up taking Yi at 3, then take Acie Law with their second lottery pick.. Just a hunch. There's also a chance Conley could fall to them.

 

[dodie53]

the hawks have too many Forwards..
why take Yi?
are they going to make him their SG?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

They don't have a Center or a Power Forward. Perhaps they can put Yi at PF and move Shelden Williams to center.

 

[sharkman]

ATL pick for #8. The ATL pick could end up being worse than #8, but it could also end up being the #1. The Suns may be better off having a guaranteed decent pick now to help in a title run, whereas the Bobcats may prefer to roll the dice to get a stud next year. In addition, having that pick available for trades next year could help them if they are no longer under the cap and want to upgrade a player on the roster.

No one is giving up a lottery pick in this year's deep class...for a future pick in a weaker draft.

If Joe Johnson doesn't get injured, Atlanta may not even be in the lottery...add a healthy JJ plus not one...but two lottery picks...and Atlanta's pick should be middle of the pack at best.

 

[fordronken]

Zach Randolph is as good as gone at this point. They'll probably also look into trading Webster for somebody that can produce right away. If they could somehow end up with Conley and a small forward like Battier, they'd be in position to really turn into a great team.

 

[tobiazz]

No one is giving up a lottery pick in this year's deep class...for a future pick in a weaker draft.

If Joe Johnson doesn't get injured, Atlanta may not even be in the lottery...add a healthy JJ plus not one...but two lottery picks...and Atlanta's pick should be middle of the pack at best.

The Hawks are in a great position to have a much better record next year, but it's no foregone conclusion. Many teams with top 3 picks have sucked just as much the next year. They have a legitimate chance of sucking as long as they draft poorly and don't trade for a guy like Zach Randolph.

 

[KloD]

The Hawks are in a great position to have a much better record next year, but it's no foregone conclusion. Many teams with top 3 picks have sucked just as much the next year. They have a legitimate chance of sucking as long as they draft poorly and don't trade for a guy like Zach Randolph.

Exactly, I have no idea why folks think Atlanta will make the playoffs next year just adding a few rookies? In a few years they may field a nice team, but not next year. They need leadership more than anything, Joe Johnson is no leader. I feel pretty good about having their pick next year, it will be much better than ours and might even prove to be in the top 3 when all is said and done.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Exactly, I have no idea why folks think Atlanta will make the playoffs next year just adding a few rookies? In a few years they may field a nice team, but not next year. They need leadership more than anything, Joe Johnson is no leader. I feel pretty good about having their pick next year, it will be much better than ours and might even prove to be in the top 3 when all is said and done.

Same thing was said about Chicago a couple of years ago.

 

[tobiazz]

Same thing was said about Chicago a couple of years ago.

Right now, conservatively, I would expect ATL to have around the 9th worst record in the league. Factoring in the Suns luck, I expect them to get the 7th seed in the East.