Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Chopper0080]

Ayton made it to a second contract which was a MAX CONTRACT. He made it through his first five years. It doesn’t mean he didn’t completely underwhelm at the same time.

So you are saying Ayton "made it" in the NBA?

 

[Chopper0080]

I didn't see your edit.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Larry example is why I still hold out hope that Marv can be great and not just “good enough.” Can players get that edge if it’s not something that’s seemingly there from the get go? Yes. I just think it’s a rare thing to happen.

There's an NBA player, can't think of his name for the life of me, that was always accused of "dogging it" or lacking effort. When, in fact, he was playing hard just he made it look easy and effortless. Marvin definitely needs to improve in all aspects, and he will, but he's not dogging it.

To me, it's kind of funny that less talented guys are the ones that are said to be trying harder and look like they're putting forth more effort while more talented guys are actually putting forth just as much effort but just make it look easier.

I'll make a QB comparison. Dan Marino had such an easy effortless, quick release compared to, say, a Baker Mayfield who seems to be pitting every ounce of effort into every throw. They're both getting after it, just you can see it more on one guy.

Did I really just compare Mayfield to Marino, LOL?

 

[kerouac9]

I struggle because MHJ is on pace to outproduce Fitzgerald's rookie season stats in a pretty low volume passing offense and people are treating him like he is a bust. Are there things he will need to work on in the off-season? Absolutely. Has he made improvements already in this season? I would argue that his offensive PI is an example of being more aggressive and protecting his QB. I don't feel like I have seen a focus drop in a while.

I just struggle to see how MHJ is part of the problem like I feel people are saying.

Different era and different situation. Obviously it's a 16-game season, Fitz was competing for touches with Anquan and Bryant Johnson (all three had over 100 targets, which seems wild) and Freddie Jones, and the 2004 Cardinals threw the ball 533 times.

The 2024 Cards have 396 passing attempts over 13 games, on pace for 517 attempts over 17 games. Yikes. Trey McBride might have 130 targets -- he's 9th in the NFL, ONE TARGET BEHIND JUSTIN JEFFERSON DESPITE PLAYING IN ONE LESS GAME.

I change my mind: fire Petzing. What is the point of this offense?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lots of unfounded speculation going on about Marvin's character and desire with zero basis.

I know a person on the Cards staff. There are zero problems with his work ethic and effort, or lack thereof.
But many of you are right. He's never going to make it. Cards should do like they did with Rosen. Draft his replacement and cut him in the off season.

Lol. The people that are individual player stans crack me up when they have to resort to complete hyperbole to defend their bestie. It just undercuts any strength of whatever straw you’re grasping at to defend the player at all costs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There's an NBA player, can't think of his name for the life of me, that was always accused of "dogging it" or lacking effort. When, in fact, he was playing hard just he made it look easy and effortless. Marvin definitely needs to improve in all aspects, and he will, but he's not dogging it.

To me, it's kind of funny that less talented guys are the ones that are said to be trying harder and look like they're putting forth more effort while more talented guys are actually putting forth just as much effort but just make it look easier.

I'll make a QB comparison. Dan Marino had such an easy effortless, quick release compared to, say, a Baker Mayfield who seems to be pitting every ounce of effort into every throw. They're both getting after it, just you can see it more on one guy.

Did I really just compare Mayfield to Marino, LOL?

No, you essentially compared Marino to charmin. No one ever questioned Mariano’s effort or the dawg in him.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The "generational talent" phrase getting thrown around on this board is exhausting.

I would hate for you to look at Larry's stats his rookie season and be even more disappointed.

Larry had to share catches with Anquan Boldin. I am tired of the “Larry didn’t have that great of a rookie season” nonsense getting thrown around

 

[Cheesebeef]

Charmin Harrison is just too good of a nickname.

 

[Russ Smith]

Puka Nacua is playing with one of the best QB's in the league. That's really most of the difference.

Marv has made some elite catches and plays. Both TD's vs the Rams and the diving TD vs Miami spring to mind.

Marv is going to be great, the only question for me is will we have a QB that can make the most of him.

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Totally different players. Marv will have a longer career because he's much more contact averse than Nacua is. Marv is very good but Nacua has much better hands and is much tougher. Marv has the natural size and allegedly speed.

To put it in perspective, MHJ has 45 catches in his first 13 NFL games. Nacua had 46 catches in his first FIVE NFL games.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Lol. The people that are individual player stans crack me up when they have to resort to complete hyperbole to defend their bestie. It just undercuts any strength of whatever straw you’re grasping at to defend the player at all costs.

You should go back and read some posts before chiming in. You're a smart guy. You'll be able to figure it out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No, you essentially compared Marino to charmin. No one ever questioned Mariano’s effort or the dawg in him.

You sure about that? No one EVER questioned it????
Actually, I was comparing someone making it look easy to someone who doesn't. Not a real hard concept.

 

[BirdGangThing]

marvin makes catches - incredible catches - no denying that but homie can't throw to himself - mcbride gets more targets as his routes develop faster and are closer to kyler murray who's likely jumping around in the pocket - pressure or no pressure - wanting to get rid of the ball instead of buying time with his feet while pump faking his ass off ala patrick maholmes and josh allen

 

[HairZach]

Puka Nacua is playing with one of the best QB's in the league. That's really most of the difference.

Marv has made some elite catches and plays. Both TD's vs the Rams and the diving TD vs Miami spring to mind.

Marv is going to be great, the only question for me is will we have a QB that can make the most of him.

Marv's elite catches in the Rams and Miami games were Christian Kirk level plays, and those plays happen with Marv with the same frequency that they did with Christian Kirk. Puka has games as good or better than Marv's Miami game almost every single game he's healthy. Right now Marv is a slower, taller Christian Kirk. I know Marv's private workouts say he had a faster 40 than Kirk, but he cannot separate on a go route like Kirk. Marv's good for a rookie, but people expected him to be Jamar Chase and he's not close.

There were 3 pass catchers taken after Marv that are head and shoulders better than Marv. Bowers, BTJ and Nabers are flat out better at everything, on worse offensive teams, with worse supporting casts, with worse QBs.

 

[football karma]

the floor for Marv is still reasonably high -- a "better than average" X WR

for me the super disappointing thing isnt so much the lack of contested catches, but rather the seeming disinterest he has in competing for contested catches

I believe he will be better, probably much better next year -- but ...............

 

[Cheesebeef]

You sure about that? No one EVER questioned it????
Actually, I was comparing someone making it look easy to someone who doesn't. Not a real hard concept.

Well, that’s a terrible comparison because Marv hasn’t made anything look easy, dropping easily catchable balls the first half of the season, to not being able to go up and high point the ball on jump balls or even the easiest thing like knowing when to turn on a back-shoulder pass.

The idea that Marv has made it look easy in the NFL is more a fairy tale than anything in The Princess Bride.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Marv's elite catches in the Rams and Miami games were Christian Kirk level plays, and those plays happen with Marv with the same frequency that they did with Christian Kirk. Puka has games as good or better than Marv's Miami game almost every single game he's healthy. Right now Marv is a slower, taller Christian Kirk. I know Marv's private workouts say he had a faster 40 than Kirk, but he cannot separate on a go route like Kirk. Marv's good for a rookie, but people expected him to be Jamar Chase and he's not close.

There were 3 pass catchers taken after Marv that are head and shoulders better than Marv. Bowers, BTJ and Nabers are flat out better at everything, on worse offensive teams, with worse supporting casts, with worse QBs.

Ladd McConkey’s been better too… with no other good WRs options.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, that’s a terrible comparison because Marv hasn’t made anything look easy, dropping easily catchable balls the first half of the season, to not being able to go up and high point the ball on jump balls or even the easiest thing like knowing when to turn on a back-shoulder pass.

The idea that Marv has made it look easy in the NFL is more a fairy tale than anything in The Princess Bride.

Yeah I didn’t get his argument, much less comparing to Marino. Marv hasn’t made anything look easy because he’s been a disappointment. So when he’s been a disappointment and we question his effort it’s because he makes it look easy? Wtf?

 

[CardNots]

A few tidbits i ran across today

Against the Patriots, Harrison can accomplish some pretty cool feats:

• With a TD catch, Harrison would tie Larry Fitzgerald (8 in 2004) and Anquan Boldin (8 in 2003) for the most TD catches in franchise history by a rookie.
• With 45 receiving yards, Harrison would join Anquan Boldin (1,377 in 2003),
  Frank Sanders (883 in 1995), Ricky Proehl (802 in 1990) and Larry Fitzgerald (780 in 2004) as the only rookies in franchise history with 700+ receiving yards.
• With 100+ receiving yards, Harrison would join Anquan Boldin (5 in 2003) and Gaynell Tinsley (3 in 1937) as the only rookies in franchise history with at least three 100-yard receiving performances.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A few tidbits i ran across today

Against the Patriots, Harrison can accomplish some pretty cool feats:

• With a TD catch, Harrison would tie Larry Fitzgerald (8 in 2004) and Anquan Boldin (8 in 2003) for the most TD catches in franchise history by a rookie.
• With 45 receiving yards, Harrison would join Anquan Boldin (1,377 in 2003),
  Frank Sanders (883 in 1995), Ricky Proehl (802 in 1990) and Larry Fitzgerald (780 in 2004) as the only rookies in franchise history with 700+ receiving yards.
• With 100+ receiving yards, Harrison would join Anquan Boldin (5 in 2003) and Gaynell Tinsley (3 in 1937) as the only rookies in franchise history with at least three 100-yard receiving performances.

Boy those second and third accomplishments certainly don’t speak highly to our history. But I’m guessing we all knew that.

 

[GatorAZ]

Speaking of guys with that dog in them...Boldin had it. Boldin also bailed on his team during the NFC Championship ceremony because he was upset with his role and contract. Not exactly a team first mentality.

Playing two weeks after a broken head speaks more to his mentality than not attending a ceremony. Q burned hot but his resume and toughness spoke for itself.

 

[CardNots]

Playing two weeks after a broken head speaks more to his mentality than not attending a ceremony. Q burned hot but his resume and toughness spoke for itself.

Anquan was a stud from day one.

 

[Russ Smith]

With 5 yards of YAC against the Patriots, Marvin Harrison Jr will double his season total of YAC.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Playing two weeks after a broken head speaks more to his mentality than not attending a ceremony. Q burned hot but his resume and toughness spoke for itself.

Anquan was a stud from day one.

He was a GAM

 

[schutd]

The “he’s a rookie” talk is so freaking tired. This guy was supposed to be the most polished NFL ready wide receiver to come out in the entire draft. Maybe for the last few drafts. It was said on here, ad nauseam plus growing up in the household that he did. It needs to quit being an excuse.

I don't think anyone's arguing that his rookie season has been a disappointment. Especially considering the hype. But, he IS a rookie, and young men handle changes as significant as the jump from college to the pros differently. I blame the pundits, not the man. He'll get there.

 

[schutd]

True but he also wasn't the primary Wr he was the 3rd guy as a rookie.

That's not MHJ's fault. That's the rest of our WR room's fault.