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Well and an actual passing scheme by the OC.. we will never be winners repeating the same scheme we had this year… btw also just we had the 3rd lowest viewership in the NFL.. we are just BORING to watch. NFL isn’t going to make a winner out of that - doesnt fit the model!

Our passing scheme is awesome.

It is total normal to run draw plays on 2nd and 19 and have a 1k yard TE with almost zero TDs.
 

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Cleveland has the Winston effect.. that dude is gonna chuck it down field regardless of scheme. Sean Payton was the only guy that could reel him in.
The Cleveland system two years ago had Flacco.

We need another YAC WR like DHop (or if we’re dreaming like Boldin or Fitz).
Hop wasn’t a YAC guy.
 

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I agree 1000%! As offense, especially towards the end of the year, we did not look dangerous at all. It was hard to watch.

Scheme is part of it. I honestly believe MHJ will be a better NFL route runner in his 2nd year and we might upgrade the WR room some. I honestly think we'll push the ball down the field at least a little more in 2025.

YAC is another part of it. McBride is good after the catch but he's not going make many house calls. Dortch is our best YAC guy but doesn't get many opportunities. We need another YAC WR like DHop (or if were dreaming like Boldin or Fitz).
Ya def need a YAC guy.. big time. Dortch being the biggest YAC type guy is pathetic. He’s a #5 WR/ST on any relevant team.

I have to say the only of those 3 is out as a YAC guy is Boldin, w his Derrick Henry physique. We need a Jamison Williams type #2 WR. The best combos in the nfl have the contested catch guy (Higgins, Jefferson, St Brown, AJ)and speed twitch guy (Chase - he’s really all of the above, Addison and Williams, DSmith). We could expand this list obviously but that’s just a sample.
 

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Not closing that deal cost us a Super Bowl. Fitz plus Manning with our defensive talent during that era would’ve been a ring.

Absolutely! We started 4-1 that year too lose Kolb early in game 6 to an injury and then lose 8 straight with these jokers!

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Can anyone remind me why the deadbeat dad started week one and Kolb came in at halftime and being is from behind for the win? The worst part is the deadbeat dad got the win attached to his name, hence why wins and loses are a meaningless QB stat.
 

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K1 was 6th in accuracy - which is a great stat for QB success. Even beat Jayden Daniels on that one.

JD has the clutch gene though.

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It's easy to be accurate when you're a Checkdown Charlie that often takes bad sacks rather than throw the ball away.
 

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K1 was 6th in accuracy - which is a great stat for QB success. Even beat Jayden Daniels on that one.

JD has the clutch gene though.

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Cards were also 4th in Bad Throw %. Bad stat for QB success maybe.

I actually don’t put much stock into either of these metrics. The difference between Miami and NYG is like two throws a game.
 

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The Cleveland system two years ago had Flacco.


Hop wasn’t a YAC guy.

Yep but he was better after the catch than Marv was this year. Something like 14 games into the season Marv had caused exactly 1 missed tackle all year.

The problem D Hop had after the catch was fumbles
 

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Here's an article from a guy who broke down some Marv film. It's a good read.

That was a VERY insightful article on both Harrison and Murray and what worked and what didn't, and gives some hope that Petzing can make some adjustments to the O to make the connection much more effective.
 

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That was a VERY insightful article on both Harrison and Murray and what worked and what didn't, and gives some hope that Petzing can make some adjustments to the O to make the connection much more effective.
"When you boil it all down, the numbers and tape are showing the same thing. Kyler Murray is often getting the ball out quickly. Or he’s bailing and extending the play. But you’ll see that he’s rarely hanging in the pocket to let plays develop. It's a lot of quick plays or long plays without that many intermediate plays."

This certainly fits what I see.
 

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"When you boil it all down, the numbers and tape are showing the same thing. Kyler Murray is often getting the ball out quickly. Or he’s bailing and extending the play. But you’ll see that he’s rarely hanging in the pocket to let plays develop. It's a lot of quick plays or long plays without that many intermediate plays."

This certainly fits what I see.
"And the kicker is that, per Fantasy Points Data Suite, Murray was actually good when he did hang in there. He actually had the highest completion percentage among qualified quarterbacks when targeting the secondary target at 83.9%. Despite his success there, he only threw to those players 56 times which was 18th among QBs."

i see this as a reasonable area for Kyler to improve on next year with another year in the system: getting to the 2nd read. He has proven he can do it, but can he do it more?
 

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"And the kicker is that, per Fantasy Points Data Suite, Murray was actually good when he did hang in there. He actually had the highest completion percentage among qualified quarterbacks when targeting the secondary target at 83.9%. Despite his success there, he only threw to those players 56 times which was 18th among QBs."

i see this as a reasonable area for Kyler to improve on next year with another year in the system: getting to the 2nd read. He has proven he can do it, but can he do it more?
No doubt. Learning how to effectively hang in the pocket was what made Kurt so effective, and Kyler needs to figure that part of the game out to take the next step.
 

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"And the kicker is that, per Fantasy Points Data Suite, Murray was actually good when he did hang in there. He actually had the highest completion percentage among qualified quarterbacks when targeting the secondary target at 83.9%. Despite his success there, he only threw to those players 56 times which was 18th among QBs."

i see this as a reasonable area for Kyler to improve on next year with another year in the system: getting to the 2nd read. He has proven he can do it, but can he do it more?
It's a self scouting and comfort piece. 1st off, is he aware? 2nd, is he capable standing in the pocket as it collapses to get to his 2nd read consistently?
 

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It's a self scouting and comfort piece. 1st off, is he aware? 2nd, is he capable standing in the pocket as it collapses to get to his 2nd read consistently?
Maybe Kyler's height makes it harder to be effective with a collapsing pocket?
 

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"And the kicker is that, per Fantasy Points Data Suite, Murray was actually good when he did hang in there. He actually had the highest completion percentage among qualified quarterbacks when targeting the secondary target at 83.9%. Despite his success there, he only threw to those players 56 times which was 18th among QBs."

i see this as a reasonable area for Kyler to improve on next year with another year in the system: getting to the 2nd read. He has proven he can do it, but can he do it more?
I've always thought that if his first read wasn't there, then his second read was always his check down :shrug: :mrgreen:.
 

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