Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[BullheadCardFan]

This isn't even deep balls, just 10+ yards.

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[602 Native]

This isn't even deep balls, just 10+ yards.

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WR separation matters but we won't talk about that.

 

[kerouac9]

WR separation matters but we won't talk about that.

NeEdS mOrE wEaPoNs

 

[DaHilg]

NeEdS mOrE wEaPoNs

and you really think he doesn’t? Not saying by any means kyler doesn’t have enough faults on his own, but the lack of weapons and interior line certainly are large compounding factors.

 

[BirdGangThing]

and you really think he doesn’t? Not saying by any means kyler doesn’t have enough faults on his own, but the lack of weapons and interior line certainly are large compounding factors.

don't matter what we think only monti

and he bought defensive ocean front property in arizona

(and shopped a guard)

if he wanted to upgrade at wr he wouldn't have re-signed zae jones - i think monti has learned kyler is rarely going to go thru several progressions on any one play - plus i think petzing also wants kyler to get the ball out before the pressure arrives but i don't think kyler will ever be a pocket quarterback - the less he runs the less we win

if we're gonna make excuses for the lad let's stay valid

 

[DaHilg]

don't matter what we think only monti

and he bought defensive ocean front property in arizona

(and shopped a guard)

if he wanted to upgrade at wr he wouldn't have re-signed zae jones - i think monti has learned kyler is rarely going to go thru several progressions on any one play - plus i think petzing also wants kyler to get the ball out before the pressure arrives but i don't think kyler will ever be a pocket quarterback - the less he runs the less we win

if we're gonna make excuses for the lad let's stay valid

Well how can he stay in the pocket with the weakest rotating interior line in the league? Literally every team knows that’s not only our lines weakness, but Kyler’s weakness if that IOL is broken down? (This is where Kyler needs to take off running through the interior lanes more often btw)

We seldomly do roll-outs due to our OC playcalling coupled with likely again every teams strategy to try to keep kyler in the pocket. So if you’re forced to stay in the pocket and have a weak interior line - what’s the recipe for success here? 1 read quick slants and crossing patterns with our WR1 who hasn’t shown the ability to aggressively go get the ball when thrown to him? Our speed demon WRs creating separation in those first few seconds on those 1 read plays? Can only throw to Trey so much before the D would load up on him.

Would love to know your solution based on the tools we have today for success?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Well how can he stay in the pocket with the weakest rotating interior line in the league? Literally every team knows that’s not only our lines weakness, but Kyler’s weakness if that IOL is broken down? (This is where Kyler needs to take off running through the interior lanes more often btw)

We seldomly do roll-outs due to our OC playcalling coupled with likely again every teams strategy to try to keep kyler in the pocket. So if you’re forced to stay in the pocket and have a weak interior line - what’s the recipe for success here? 1 read quick slants and crossing patterns with our WR1 who hasn’t shown the ability to aggressively go get the ball when thrown to him? Our speed demon WRs creating separation in those first few seconds on those 1 read plays? Can only throw to Trey so much before the D would load up on him.

Would love to know your solution based on the tools we have today for success?

lol you had me all the way until this enabling hyperbole

 

[DaHilg]

lol you had me all the way until this enabling hyperbole

You lost me if you think we haven’t had the weakest IOL in the league on passing downs. This is even a weakness of our center - let alone if you want to call what we have had “guards”

 

[BirdGangThing]

You lost me if you think we haven’t had the weakest IOL in the league on passing downs. This is even a weakness of our center - let alone if you want to call what we have had “guards”

lol nobody bangs on fro more than me - and our interior did suck in pass protection - but weakest in the league is some bull ish

 

[DaHilg]

lol nobody bangs on fro more than me - and our interior did suck in pass protection - but weakest in the league is some bull ish

No it’s not, it’s 100% up for debate on passing downs.. now back to another poster that wants to avoid answering the question and just look cool bashing Kyler..

“Would love to know your solution based on the tools we have today for success?”

 

[BirdGangThing]

No it’s not, it’s 100% up for debate on passing downs.. now back to another poster that wants to avoid answering the question and just look cool bashing Kyler..

“Would love to know your solution based on the tools we have today for success?”

i already said we needed protection more than the wr you started this whole convo with

 

[602 Native]

don't matter what we think only monti

and he bought defensive ocean front property in arizona

(and shopped a guard)

if he wanted to upgrade at wr he wouldn't have re-signed zae jones - i think monti has learned kyler is rarely going to go thru several progressions on any one play - plus i think petzing also wants kyler to get the ball out before the pressure arrives but i don't think kyler will ever be a pocket quarterback - the less he runs the less we win

if we're gonna make excuses for the lad let's stay valid

Both things can be true.

The defensive rush was all kinds of terrible the last two years also.

Sad that Keim left this franchise with so little talent on both sides of the ball.

 

[kerouac9]

Both things can be true.

The defensive rush was all kinds of terrible the last two years also.

Sad that Keim left this franchise with so little talent on both sides of the ball.

Our best players on both sides of the ball were acquired by Keim.

 

[602 Native]

Our best players on both sides of the ball were acquired by Keim.

Again he left the cupboard bare.

Glad he drafted McBride but that doesn’t make up for the slop in other areas.

 

[PDXChris]

Debate over!

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[PDXChris]

Fun site that shows all QB first 3 seasons stats. Kyler is 7th all time in passing yards. Herbert, Burrows and Lawrence knocked him down from 4th after his 3rd season. He's been capable! Hopefully he can be again.

Player Season & Career Stats Finder - Pro Football | Stathead.com

Find players with most passing yards in a single season, combined seasons, careers and many more filter criteria on Stathead.com

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[daves]

Fun site that shows all QB first 3 seasons stats. Kyler is 7th all time in passing yards. Herbert, Burrows and Lawrence knocked him down from 4th after his 3rd season. He's capable! Hopefully he can!

Player Season & Career Stats Finder - Pro Football | Stathead.com

Find players with most passing yards in a single season, combined seasons, careers and many more filter criteria on Stathead.com

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Everyone was happy with Murray's performance and growth over his first 2.5 seasons... It's his last 3.5 (with almost a full season lost to injury) that's troubling.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Everyone was happy with Murray's performance and growth over his first 2.5 seasons... It's his last 3.5 (with almost a full season lost to injury) that's troubling.

This

The obvious collapse of confidence and ball accuracy really was evident

 

[Stout]

Fun site that shows all QB first 3 seasons stats. Kyler is 7th all time in passing yards. Herbert, Burrows and Lawrence knocked him down from 4th after his 3rd season. He's capable! Hopefully he can!

Player Season & Career Stats Finder - Pro Football | Stathead.com

Find players with most passing yards in a single season, combined seasons, careers and many more filter criteria on Stathead.com

stathead.com

If only passing yards in a QBs 1st 3 seasons actually meant anything at all, he'd be golden!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If only passing yards in a QBs 1st 3 seasons actually meant anything at all, he'd be golden!

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[PDXChris]

Everyone was happy with Murray's performance and growth over his first 2.5 seasons... It's his last 3.5 (with almost a full season lost to injury) that's troubling.

That was my point, he was capable at one point. Hopefully he can be again.

 

[PDXChris]

If only passing yards in a QBs 1st 3 seasons actually meant anything at all, he'd be golden!

He was top 15 in most stats, including yards. He is a top 15 all-time QB in their first 3 years. So, yeah, he was golden. The question is, what has happened since and can he get back?

 

[PDXChris]

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[602 Native]

Everyone was happy with Murray's performance and growth over his first 2.5 seasons... It's his last 3.5 (with almost a full season lost to injury) that's troubling.

Coach and GM were fired in that time and the team was declining.

What were people expecting during a rebuild after Keim set the organization on fire?

 

[DaHilg]

Coach and GM were fired in that time and the team was declining.

What were people expecting during a rebuild after Keim set the organization on fire?

Also got rid of only true #1 WR during that time.. Trey was a nothing burger until the last 18 months