CHI 24 ARI 23 Thoughts and 53 Update
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Not really what I was going for... I was looking at the defensive line most of the game and don't remember seeing him on the field.
We were saying that last season too.
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It wasn't the play book on offense were using through the season no. 1.
No. 2 it's a vanilla defense so..
No. 3 we could've won the game if it weren't for us trying try me like kicks and resfusing to tie a game that's meaningless
No. 4 I like Bethel.
No. 2 it's a vanilla defense so..
No. 3 we could've won the game if it weren't for us trying try me like kicks and resfusing to tie a game that's meaningless
No. 4 I like Bethel.
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Two Questions:
1. Why didn't Kerwyn Williams get any carries? I know he's our primary returner, and has a spot on the '53' locked up, but as far as I could see, he only had a KR and a PR. Was it because A) The team wanted to get a look at their other three backs, since they will only keep two of them. B) He was injured on one of the returns, or C)He's being traded and the team didn't want to risk him being hurt. I know C) isn't likely.
2. If Bucannon isn't a go for the regular season opener, is Bynes a better option due to his experience, than Reddick?
Appreciate your feedback.
1. Why didn't Kerwyn Williams get any carries? I know he's our primary returner, and has a spot on the '53' locked up, but as far as I could see, he only had a KR and a PR. Was it because A) The team wanted to get a look at their other three backs, since they will only keep two of them. B) He was injured on one of the returns, or C)He's being traded and the team didn't want to risk him being hurt. I know C) isn't likely.
2. If Bucannon isn't a go for the regular season opener, is Bynes a better option due to his experience, than Reddick?
Appreciate your feedback.
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1. A is the best answer, imo. I still think he's the #2 RB. He's quicker and more elusive than Chris Johnson. Hits the holes faster.
2. Bynes looked very good in his one game. I would agree that he would be a safer option at ILB in game 1, if he's healthy. Hopefully Philip Wheeler will play this week, too.
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With Gabbert's athleticism, I'm surprised they didn't try a QB draw. Would have been a great way to end the game.
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Chris Johnson did look slow last night. Quite frankly if that is the way he is going to play I may be in favor of keeping ellington over him - because at least he can make plays in the passing game.
Wright and Reddick do not cut it at mlb. We need Dansby, Buchanon and Bynes to be taking all the snaps there if possible. It may be time to just give up on the mlb experiment and make him a dedicated pass rusher for this season.
Game was just very concerning because we got beat in the trenches. Not sure why that happened against the Bears and not the previous two weeks - I hope it is a fluke, camp burnout or something of the like, because we won't beat much of anybody if they perform like did last night in the regular season.
Wright and Reddick do not cut it at mlb. We need Dansby, Buchanon and Bynes to be taking all the snaps there if possible. It may be time to just give up on the mlb experiment and make him a dedicated pass rusher for this season.
Game was just very concerning because we got beat in the trenches. Not sure why that happened against the Bears and not the previous two weeks - I hope it is a fluke, camp burnout or something of the like, because we won't beat much of anybody if they perform like did last night in the regular season.
I was more concerned by the raiders game than this one. what we have faced the past couple weeks is two teams that will likely be top five in rushing when the season is over...and it looked like it. at least we got the bears at close to full strength,...the raiders didn't play any of their starting skill players on offense and neither of their top 2 pass rushers on defense.
our rush defense is a little soft up the middle and we don't contain the edge....really hoping most of it is due to vanilla schemes but Jones breaking contain to push inside was just mental mistakes...if we cant stop the run it wont matter how well the #2 corner is playing.
my guess..and that's it, just a guess...is that betcher has the d line focused on penetration right now...its the only thing I can think of that explains the play we have seen up front so far.
our rush defense is a little soft up the middle and we don't contain the edge....really hoping most of it is due to vanilla schemes but Jones breaking contain to push inside was just mental mistakes...if we cant stop the run it wont matter how well the #2 corner is playing.
my guess..and that's it, just a guess...is that betcher has the d line focused on penetration right now...its the only thing I can think of that explains the play we have seen up front so far.
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Even last week, during his "good" game, Stanton ended up pretty much like he did last night, ineffective. Although he will most definitely be #2 no matter what IMO. BA just has super strong loyalty to him for some reason. Gabbert has flaws but he has certainly more upside than Stanton.
From last week and last night the Cards have obviously had Pasche and Wolf praise Drew no matter what he does. As I said in the game thread Pasche's man crush is almost creepy. But, Drew will be there as long as BA is I am sure.
More concerning is that OLine and the run defense. That was ugly last night. Carson might get killed if they don't get that straightened out.
ST....well...looks like another long year on that too. It is so consistently bad in the same way it HAS to be coaching, or lack thereof that is causing the issue. Really pathetic.
From last week and last night the Cards have obviously had Pasche and Wolf praise Drew no matter what he does. As I said in the game thread Pasche's man crush is almost creepy. But, Drew will be there as long as BA is I am sure.
More concerning is that OLine and the run defense. That was ugly last night. Carson might get killed if they don't get that straightened out.
ST....well...looks like another long year on that too. It is so consistently bad in the same way it HAS to be coaching, or lack thereof that is causing the issue. Really pathetic.
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Gameday thread Bears at Cardinals 8-19-17
According to the attached tweet Gunther didn't play last night but he wasn't listed as inactive prior to the game.
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Pretty good...has length, stickiness and a good sense of where the ball is.
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Hmm Moala and Anau aren't listed either but I know they played
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Mitch
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This kid Anau has played very well, imo. He has a low center of gravity and a knack for getting into the backfield. Very good motor.
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I agree he has definitely stood out. If it came down between him and X. Williams I would take Anau
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I have been expecting much better play from Corey Peters, Josh Mauro, Rodney Gunter, Olsen Pierre and Xavier Williams and quite frankly all of them have been a disappointment thus far, imo. Unless they start making plays, we are going to need upgrades.
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I agree with all except for Pierre. He has been consistently been exploding off the ball & getting to the QB & make RBs change their routes while giving double teams fits. He has been exceeding expectations. I said it in another thread, but he has been the 2nd best DL by far.
Gunter has been a big disappointment, however.
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Same.
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Mitch
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Olsen Pierre had 3 tackles (2 solo, 1 assist) versus the Cowboys. Since then, that's it. 0 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits (his 1 QB hit/sack nullified by a facemark penalty). If that's what we can expect from the 2nd best DL we are in trouble.
On the flip side, look what the Bears' DT Jonathan Bullard did Saturday night:
3 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 1 QB hit
In 2 games:
5 tackles, 3 TFLs, 1 QB hit
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You should rewatch the games & less box-stat watching Mitch, c'mon.
This right here is just a example of what Pierre has done so far:
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Handling the double teams which made Scooby's life easier by getting the tackle first while Nkemdiche & the rest cleaned it up.
There was one play he made last game where he forced the RB to bounce outside more than he would like due to beating the OL off the ball, another where the Bears were deep in their territory where he got to the RB first for a 3 yard loss, & another that he was able to keep up with the RB knocking him out of bounds for a short gain due to his motor. He also would've had a sack if Trubisky didn't duck his head at the right time that we negated to a penalty.
I wish I had my laptop so I could show you clips of what I'm talking about if you won't rewatch the game. The numbers might not be there, but the impact definitely has.
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I just watched the second half again focussing strictly on Pierre (this is my 3rd time watching the game, fyi). The video above was his best play and a good one at that. Good get on that one. The other was what would have been a sack had he not grabbed Trubisky's facemask. Other than that, Pierre did not stand out...and this was versus the Bears' 2nd string offensive line. I like his athleticism, but zero tackles, zero sacks and zero QB hits in the last two games doesn't make me want to anoint him as the team's #2 best defensive lineman. Like I said, if that is the case, we are in trouble. But, we might be anyway. The production up front has been minimal, save for Nkemdiche and 1-2 good plays from Rucker.
