Chris Paul wants out of New Orleans - now

[devilalum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5401230

Maybe but from ESPN sounds like cp3 is thinking of doing a lebron. The Knicks are still at the top of his list, Because the thought is to bring Mello there too and have their own big 3 to challenge the Heat.
Would be interesting. I almost want it to happen to see what stern does.

Next summer they re-write the CBA. They may do something to make this kind of thing more difficult.

 

[devilalum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5401230

Maybe but from ESPN sounds like cp3 is thinking of doing a lebron. The Knicks are still at the top of his list, Because the thought is to bring Mello there too and have their own big 3 to challenge the Heat.
Would be interesting. I almost want it to happen to see what stern does.

There have always been a few good teams that everybody else was shooting for but we've never had 3 or 4 60+ win teams and a bunch of chumps before. That might really hurt the league when people get tired of having no hope.

 

[mojorizen7]

That's because the Grizzlies, showing unprecedented stupidity, neglected to look for better offers. Of course, we can speculate as to why that is; maybe it wasn't stupidity but rather some other reason...

 

[Folster]

People keep forgetting that the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol as well in return for Pau. At the time the trade looked ridiculously horrible. Now it's not so bad.

 

[elindholm]

People keep forgetting that the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol as well in return for Pau. At the time the trade looked ridiculously horrible. Now it's not so bad.

I really don't think that changes anything. The fact remains that the Grizzlies decided to sell Pau to the Lakers on the cheap rather than field competitive offers from the rest of the league. They knew they were giving him away, they didn't care, and they made no attempt to get a better deal.

 

[mojorizen7]

People keep forgetting that the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol as well in return for Pau. At the time the trade looked ridiculously horrible. Now it's not so bad.

Nope,it's still bad.

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[Covert Rain]

Well regardless if the Suns could or could not make the trade, I would be disappointed if the Suns didn't even try. How often does a CP3 come along? To me, no player on this roster is safe to get the guy. None. I don't care if I have to work out a 3 way trade or whatever. You make a play.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow, that is just not a good analogy. You're comparing Kwame's expiring with JRich's expiring? JRich is still a star in the league. Kwame was awful. Based on talent alone, JRich makes it MUCH less lopsided than the Kwame/Pau deal. Talk about hating JRich!

but they wouldn't be taking jrich based on his talent. at least i don't think so in this deal. there may be other teams that are contenders that believe they need an upgrade at shooting guard, and thus they may value jrich's talent, but i don't think the hornets would view it that way. they may appreciate jrich's position at 2 guard for a season, but i think they'd view his real value as the expiring. that's not hating on jrich, that's just how i think they'd view him as a component to the deal. many teams factor in certain players as their contract rather than their talent as the indicator of their value in a deal.

btw, i think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of phx fans that would describe jrich as a "star."

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

People keep forgetting that the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol as well in return for Pau. At the time the trade looked ridiculously horrible. Now it's not so bad.

true, but marc gasol was a HUGE gamble if they were basing the trade on his panning out. he was a 2nd round selection for a reason and he hadn't played a minute in the NBA to disprove his 2nd round status. let's not look at the imbalance of that trade with revisionist glasses.

 

[mojorizen7]

Well regardless if the Suns could or could not make the trade, I would be disappointed if the Suns didn't even try. How often does a CP3 come along? To me, no player on this roster is safe to get the guy. None. I don't care if I have to work out a 3 way trade or whatever. You make a play.

Cant argue with that,although i'd be leary of sending draft picks along with our younger,proven talent.
I'd hate to be left with just CP3,Nash,Hedo,and Grant Hill with no draft picks. LOL

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

you know what kills me? the fact that players, YOUNG players, have the cojones to try to manipulate where they go. If you're a FA, by all means, go where you like. but if you're still under contract . . . for TWO MORE YEARS no less . . . nut up and either play for your current team or play for whomever they trade you to . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cant argue with that,although i'd be leary of sending draft picks along with our younger,proven talent.
I'd hate to be left with just CP3,Nash,Hedo,and Grant Hill with no draft picks. LOL

then you trade nash for a couple 1sts and it all evens out.

 

[Chaplin]

but they wouldn't be taking jrich based on his talent. at least i don't think so in this deal. there may be other teams that are contenders that believe they need an upgrade at shooting guard, and thus they may value jrich's talent, but i don't think the hornets would view it that way. they may appreciate jrich's position at 2 guard for a season, but i think they'd view his real value as the expiring. that's not hating on jrich, that's just how i think they'd view him as a component to the deal. many teams factor in certain players as their contract rather than their talent as the indicator of their value in a deal.

btw, i think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of phx fans that would describe jrich as a "star."

He's not an all-star, but he certainly a recognizable name. In the NBA, that equates to a star. But here's the rub, even if you don't consider JRich the player as a reason for the Hornets acquiring him: He's certainly a better trade chip for them than Kwame Brown was for the Grizzlies. So either way, JRich is a much better asset for the Hornets than Kwame was for the Grizzlies.

 

[SunsTzu]

he was a 2nd round selection for a reason and he hadn't played a minute in the NBA to disprove his 2nd round status. let's not look at the imbalance of that trade with revisionist glasses.

Yeah he was too busy winning the MVP of the 2nd best basketball league in the world. I'm not saying the Grizz weren't selling low but the idea that Marc had no value beyond a 2nd rounder would only be true if NBA teams didn't follow progress of players overseas.

He would have been a top lottery pick if he entered the draft following that season.

For those that think the Suns actually have a chance at Paul, feel free to dream. I'm betting on Portland or the Knicks, but leaning more towards the Blazers.

 

[Chaplin]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking that he's going to stay in New Orleans, at least for the start of this season.

 

[Folster]

true, but marc gasol was a HUGE gamble if they were basing the trade on his panning out. he was a 2nd round selection for a reason and he hadn't played a minute in the NBA to disprove his 2nd round status. let's not look at the imbalance of that trade with revisionist glasses.

I agreed that trade was horrible, but a few years removed it's not that bad and that's what counts. Every year draft analysts talk about how great a certain player is and how well a certain team did in the draft. A couple years removed provides clarity and allows us to make a more informed analysis. Sure Memphis lucked out, but those who neglect to take into account that the trade returned a solid center in Marc Gasol are disingenuous and trying to slant the facts to support their argument.

 

[SunsTzu]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking that he's going to stay in New Orleans, at least for the start of this season.

I wouldn't be surprised either way. I would be shocked if he was traded to the Magic though.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah he was too busy winning the MVP of the 2nd best basketball league in the world. I'm not saying the Grizz weren't selling low but the idea that Marc had no value beyond a 2nd rounder would only be true if NBA teams didn't follow progress of players overseas.

He would have been a top lottery pick if he entered the draft following that season.

For those that think the Suns actually have a chance at Paul, feel free to dream. I'm betting on Portland or the Knicks, but leaning more towards the Blazers.

i've been thinking about it, and who the hell do the knicks have to trade for paul??? yeah they've got cap space and create a trade exemption, but the hornets, who own his rights for two more years, are going to want assets and the knicks don't have any.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agreed that trade was horrible, but a few years removed it's not that bad and that's what counts. Every year draft analysts talk about how great a certain player is and how well a certain team did in the draft. A couple years removed provides clarity and allows us to make a more informed analysis. Sure Memphis lucked out, but those who neglect to take into account that the trade returned a solid center in Marc Gasol are disingenuous and trying to slant the facts to support their argument.

we're talking about two different topics.

you're talking about how even in terms of value the trade turned out.

most of us are talking about how lopsided the trade was in terms of value at the time of the trade.

the two are mutually exclusive because unless you're nostradamus, have a crystal ball, or are the world's best talent evaluator, you have NO idea how even the trade will turn out when you make it.

 

[SunsTzu]

i've been thinking about it, and who the hell do the knicks have to trade for paul??? yeah they've got cap space and create a trade exemption, but the hornets, who own his rights for two more years, are going to want assets and the knicks don't have any.

Anothony Randolph and Gallinari are as good or better prospects as Dragic plus they both play different positions than the Hornets top prospects. Of course any Paul trade will likely include Okafor and the Knicks and Blazers can both offer immediate savings(with either cap space or Pryzbilla's partially guaranteed contract).

The teams that make no sense are Lakers, Magic and to a lesser extent Mavs. I bet Cuban is regretting trading Dampier right about now.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Would the Knicks really go for CP3 after getting Felton? Obviously Paul is far superior, but could they run with both OR could they move Felton somehow?

Personally, I'd like to see Paul go to ORL....

 

[TJ]

Would the Knicks really go for CP3 after getting Felton? Obviously Paul is far superior, but could they run with both OR could they move Felton somehow?

Personally, I'd like to see Paul go to ORL....

If CP3 went to ORL...OMG!!!

He made Chandler look like a world beater with the ridiculous alley oops. Imagine that play but with Dwight Howard. Wowsers!

 

[SunsTzu]

Would the Knicks really go for CP3 after getting Felton? Obviously Paul is far superior, but could they run with both OR could they move Felton somehow?

Personally, I'd like to see Paul go to ORL....

The Knicks signed Felton to a short contract and were likely planning to make a run at Paul in FA the same year Felton's contract expires. Most likely they would dump Felton as soon as they could.

I don't see anyway Orlando can make an offer. They are loaded with overpaid role players that no rebuilding team would touch.

 

[dodie53]

jrich, dragic and a big for paul

 

[Chaplin]

Great article about how Lebron James and his antics this summer seem to be influencing Paul to do something stupid.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhbOG4X8RB8FcAbFKpgvO868vLYF?slug=aw-paulfuture072310