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Shane H said:
See? More than happy to back up my claims...
Clarett to Cards' Practice Squad? - opinion by poster
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See? More than happy to back up my claims...
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spanky1 said:
No, if you claim a player off waivers, you assume his existing contract. If he clears waivers THEN he has no contract.
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kerouac9 said:
First the second question:
Yes if picked up on the waiver system you get their original contract minus the signing bonus. But if Mo was on our PS he wouldnt be on his original contract becuase, he would have been cut by us then passed over by other teams in the waiver claim porcess, then we resign him to a 1 year minimum contract to be on the PS.
For the first question:
AFter Mo's 1 year contract ends after being on the PS for a year he will actually be a EFA next year. Cheaper and only we can talk to him, no other team can even give him an offer like RFA's can get. Unless we give permission for trade purposes.
I don't think that's the case with rookies. They've been talking about that on the airwaves, too. It seems strange, but that's the consensus.spanky1 said:
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There are two issues circling around Clarett
1. Attitude/Chemistry - Does he have a problem here? From everything we read and hear, it sure sounds like it, but we really don't know - other than what the media tells us. Are those nagging injuries totally legit? Or does Clarett allow minor nicks to put him in the whirlpool rather than on the field? Are we dealing with an ingrained set of character flaws or just immaturity that he could grow out of?
2. Physical Ability - Has he been running like the Clarett of old? Could he ever get back to that point? Is he still out of shape? Has he "lost it" forever? Don't the nagging injuries suggest we're dealing with a "porcelain" player?"
If he could prove to our coaches that (a) he's really a good person and (b) had a better than even chance of returning to freshman year form, I think he'd be worth a shot on our PS.
But I'd think the odds of that happening would be 5% out of 100.
1. Attitude/Chemistry - Does he have a problem here? From everything we read and hear, it sure sounds like it, but we really don't know - other than what the media tells us. Are those nagging injuries totally legit? Or does Clarett allow minor nicks to put him in the whirlpool rather than on the field? Are we dealing with an ingrained set of character flaws or just immaturity that he could grow out of?
2. Physical Ability - Has he been running like the Clarett of old? Could he ever get back to that point? Is he still out of shape? Has he "lost it" forever? Don't the nagging injuries suggest we're dealing with a "porcelain" player?"
If he could prove to our coaches that (a) he's really a good person and (b) had a better than even chance of returning to freshman year form, I think he'd be worth a shot on our PS.
But I'd think the odds of that happening would be 5% out of 100.
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Pariah said:
If you are a waiver pickup then the contract is the same minus the signing bonus because the team that made the cut already paid it. But if they are not claimed in the waiver process, then they have no contract and free to sign any contract they want with any team they want.
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Clarett would not be a starter here. So why bother?
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Red Air Force said:
That's what I thought too.
One of the points being made is there's concern teams won't want Clarett's contract because it's 4 years and he's almost guaranteed to hold out next year because it sucks. They'd rather sign him for one year and if he earns it, do a new contract next year without the lousy contract hanging over the whole affair.
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You can't possibly tell me the guy is not worth a look.
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That's what I'm saying. He was kind of caught in a numbers game in Denver. Mike Anderson was the starter, Tatum Bell was the heir-apparent, Quentin Griffin was okay last season. So it was down to Clarett v. Dayne. Dayne was on the field; Clarett wasn't.clif said:
You can't possibly tell me the guy is not worth a look.
The Cards have one open spot on their roster right now. There could be worse ways to fill it. And they're down an RB.
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kerouac9 said:
Pariah may know this better but weren't there rumors swirling not that long ago Denver was trying to trade Griffin?
Pretty sure I read that, if true doesn't that imply that they initially planned for Clarett to be there but ultimately decided they were better off with Griffin and Dayne and not Clarett?
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kerouac9 said:
See? More than happy to back up my claims...
That's not what you did. You said something quite different then used a quote to support it that isn't even in the same ball park as Clarrett's behavior.
Pariah was outraged by the notion that a guy that has never played in the NFL, and only one season in college, and has been not practicing because he's a little nicked up. I found this attitude to be pretty ridiculous too.
Hey, I want guys having the passion to want to start too, but don't give me lip service when your not showing me the goods on the field.
Shipp's attitude on the other hand was to bust his butt to get over a brutal injury and get back on the practice field and show what he could do. His comments were professional and didn't have anything to do with just saying he wanted to be a starter, it was about playing his way into the starting role.
Clarrett is nothing more than dialog.
This is how a professional approaches this subject.
Clarrett sounds like a spoiled kid with a need for an attitude adjustment. Shipp sounds like a man who recognizes the NFL isn't an entitlement.
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I have to cut Shipp on Madden. If you start JJ by week 6 shipp starts being disgruntled in the local papers.
Just thought ID throw a Madden update out there lol
Just thought ID throw a Madden update out there lol
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Lars the Red said:
My claim was that Shipp complains about wanting to be a starter in the paper. I was asked to support that. I did. Shane accepted the evidence.
Why don't you stay out of it?
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Don't we already have one former Big 10 RB on our roster that hasn't proven squat in five years?
clif said:
You can't possibly tell me the guy is not worth a look.
Yes I can. If you can't make it behind the O line Denver has, how could you possibly expect Clarett to make it with our O line?
Why is it that any player any other team releases is always better than our players? This guy hasn't proved anything to anybody. Why waste the time?
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40yearfan said:
Well to your first point... Clarett has been injured.. so no one knows whether he can run behind that online or not.
Second... who would he be replacing by going to the PS? No one is saying sign him to the 53 man roster.... I would sign him to the PS.
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Why don't you make accurate statements? Shipp didn't complain. He said he's playing to start. I don't see the similarities to someone who says, 'I should be the starter no question, and I'm mad about it'. That is what most would consider a complaint.kerouac9 said:
Your reaching for something that isn't there. Clarrett=punk, Shipp=class.
You and Shane can squabble all you want, just try to keep the facts factual.
I'd be pleased if the Cards brings Clarett in because it would help me get a few things clear--one is, I think this guy lacks passion as an athlete.
The other is, he might very well be overplaying his one good season in college as a recent accomplishment.
So, bring him so he can pove to the Cards if he's got NFL-type game in 2005.
The other is, he might very well be overplaying his one good season in college as a recent accomplishment.
So, bring him so he can pove to the Cards if he's got NFL-type game in 2005.
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Denver Post on Clarett, Shanahan
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2984773
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Shanahan takes one for team
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
In many ways, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan could have made his life easier by keeping Maurice Clarett.
He could have avoided the aggravation of listening to critics say "I told you so," by hiding the controversial Clarett on the practice squad for a year. He could have waited for the moody former college star to mature, then provide the talented running back with another shot next year.
Redirecting the football hounds off their scent, however, would have put Shanahan in conflict with his concern for a much smaller group that gathers each day in the Broncos' locker room.
Imagine how maintaining custody of Clarett just because he was a third-round draft pick would have gone over in the locker room when, say, 86 of the 87 players who gathered for training camp five weeks ago had worked harder for their chance at employment.
How could Shanahan justify the disruption of the sum by holding on to a troublesome part? In the end, Shanahan essentially took one for the team. He cut Clarett despite the running back's high profile, despite drafting him a good two rounds higher than the Mel Kiper Juniors of the draftnik world had projected.
Never mind only once in NFL history has a Joe Montana been there waiting in the third round. Or that the Broncos were hurried because they didn't have a fourth- or fifth-round choice. Or that the pick was not only the team's third in the third round - after cornerbacks Karl Paymah and Domonique Foxworth - but untradable as a compensatory selection.
The pundits were right, right from the start. Clarett was a mess. When the Broncos officially said uncle this week, the salvos already were loaded.
"You know me long enough to know we're going to make a decision on what's best for the football team, not based on criticism," Shanahan said. "If it were anybody but Maurice Clarett, nobody would even be talking about it. You don't try to cover mistakes. You look at what's best for your football team and you go with it."
Meanwhile, inside the locker room, there was peace. Maybe even some gratitude. "Maurice is a good kid, but he has to understand that he keeps people out of reach," backup quarterback Bradlee Van Pelt said. "He has to learn how to be part of a group. He has to be more coachable. And when you're out there on the field, you have to go full speed. I know I didn't always conduct myself the way people would have liked last year, but at least when they saw me on the field, they saw me going full out."
Given a second chance by the Broncos after sitting out the previous two years because of eligibility and legal issues, Clarett acted as if he had it made all along.
Although he occasionally demonstrated his enormous talent early in training camp, Broncos coaches constantly harped on him for lackluster effort. He then missed an inordinate amount of practice time with a pulled groin.
The end for Clarett came when the team went to Houston for its first preseason game. Shanahan kept him home from that trip, hoping to send the message that a player can't play if he doesn't practice. When the team returned and Clarett was not ready to resume workouts, his days in Denver were numbered.
"He was the last pick of the third round. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said through a team spokesman. "You don't know how the draft is going to work for three or four years."
Once Shanahan saw that tailbacks Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell and Quentin Griffin had dispelled health concerns during the preseason, the Broncos' coach decided to cut his losses with Clarett in return for maintaining respect in the locker room.
"Anytime you cut somebody in the third round, obviously you feel like you made a mistake," Shanahan said. "When you do that, you (admit) your mistake and you go on. That's not saying Maurice doesn't have a chance to go to another team and contribute. But in a true evaluation of your entire organization, anytime you use a third- round draft choice and he doesn't make your team, that's not good. "We've made mistakes before, we'll make mistakes in the future. But we're going to do what's best for our team. Just because you draft somebody in the third round doesn't mean he's going to make your football team."
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2984773
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Shanahan takes one for team
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
In many ways, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan could have made his life easier by keeping Maurice Clarett.
He could have avoided the aggravation of listening to critics say "I told you so," by hiding the controversial Clarett on the practice squad for a year. He could have waited for the moody former college star to mature, then provide the talented running back with another shot next year.
Redirecting the football hounds off their scent, however, would have put Shanahan in conflict with his concern for a much smaller group that gathers each day in the Broncos' locker room.
Imagine how maintaining custody of Clarett just because he was a third-round draft pick would have gone over in the locker room when, say, 86 of the 87 players who gathered for training camp five weeks ago had worked harder for their chance at employment.
How could Shanahan justify the disruption of the sum by holding on to a troublesome part? In the end, Shanahan essentially took one for the team. He cut Clarett despite the running back's high profile, despite drafting him a good two rounds higher than the Mel Kiper Juniors of the draftnik world had projected.
Never mind only once in NFL history has a Joe Montana been there waiting in the third round. Or that the Broncos were hurried because they didn't have a fourth- or fifth-round choice. Or that the pick was not only the team's third in the third round - after cornerbacks Karl Paymah and Domonique Foxworth - but untradable as a compensatory selection.
The pundits were right, right from the start. Clarett was a mess. When the Broncos officially said uncle this week, the salvos already were loaded.
"You know me long enough to know we're going to make a decision on what's best for the football team, not based on criticism," Shanahan said. "If it were anybody but Maurice Clarett, nobody would even be talking about it. You don't try to cover mistakes. You look at what's best for your football team and you go with it."
Meanwhile, inside the locker room, there was peace. Maybe even some gratitude. "Maurice is a good kid, but he has to understand that he keeps people out of reach," backup quarterback Bradlee Van Pelt said. "He has to learn how to be part of a group. He has to be more coachable. And when you're out there on the field, you have to go full speed. I know I didn't always conduct myself the way people would have liked last year, but at least when they saw me on the field, they saw me going full out."
Given a second chance by the Broncos after sitting out the previous two years because of eligibility and legal issues, Clarett acted as if he had it made all along.
Although he occasionally demonstrated his enormous talent early in training camp, Broncos coaches constantly harped on him for lackluster effort. He then missed an inordinate amount of practice time with a pulled groin.
The end for Clarett came when the team went to Houston for its first preseason game. Shanahan kept him home from that trip, hoping to send the message that a player can't play if he doesn't practice. When the team returned and Clarett was not ready to resume workouts, his days in Denver were numbered.
"He was the last pick of the third round. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said through a team spokesman. "You don't know how the draft is going to work for three or four years."
Once Shanahan saw that tailbacks Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell and Quentin Griffin had dispelled health concerns during the preseason, the Broncos' coach decided to cut his losses with Clarett in return for maintaining respect in the locker room.
"Anytime you cut somebody in the third round, obviously you feel like you made a mistake," Shanahan said. "When you do that, you (admit) your mistake and you go on. That's not saying Maurice doesn't have a chance to go to another team and contribute. But in a true evaluation of your entire organization, anytime you use a third- round draft choice and he doesn't make your team, that's not good. "We've made mistakes before, we'll make mistakes in the future. But we're going to do what's best for our team. Just because you draft somebody in the third round doesn't mean he's going to make your football team."
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Clarett does need an attitude adjustment and being cut may give it to him. But to question his talent level is just plain stupid. Who knows, he may never "get it". BUt he is definitely worth a look. What can it hurt? What if Green is the guy Clarett bonds with and lights a fire under Clarett's ass? Then you have a guy who is better than Shipp.I'm not saying he's better than Shipp now, but he's more talented.If you put Shipp's work ethic into Clarett then you'd have a top 5 RB in the NFL.It's not like the Cards are loaded at RB and couldn't use a guy with his potential. People like James Jackson and similar questions about Clarett were raised about Jackson when in Cleveland.
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What are you basing this on...HOMERISM???? Because to say that this man has talent is pure speculation. He hasn't done anything in the NFL or any where else for the last 2 years for that matter, to say he's more talented than Shipp just reaks of homerism. He is what he has proved and that so far is a wasted third round pick.
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Clarette didn't even finish the Combine. Shanahan is lucky he hasn't been run of of denver for this blunder. No thanks...the kids a wing nut. Anyone see "David Boston" here??!
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WisconsinCard said:
Not really homerism since Clarett was USA Today National HIgh School Player of the Year,NCAA Freshman of the year,Big 10 freshman of the year, Ohio State's MVP,and was drafted in the 3rd round after not playing for 2 years. That's(being drated) is all based on talent and potential.Shipp was an undrafted rookie from division 2 UMASS. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who has more natural talent. Ron Dayne hasn't done squat in the NFL either but that doesn't mean he's not more talented than Shipp. Who has more natural talent Wendell Bryant or Ross Kolodzei(sp.)? If you read the whole comment,which may be hard being from Wisconsin, i said Shipp is better than Clarett.Just Clarett has the talent to be better.
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