Clarett workout

[Cbus cardsfan]

Early report has it that he ran a 4.6 40 and did 19 reps at 225.This isn't official yet.I say that because i was told Gamble ran a 4.37 last time and he was actually 4.55. Today,Gamble supposedly ran another 4.5.

 

[vikesfan]

Numbers I saw:

5 feet 11 tall 225 pounds

4.48 4.47 for 40

19 reps

9 ft 11 long jump

38 1/2 vertical

3.98 short shuttle

6.89 cone

If these numbers are correct he is edging into round 1 and is definitely round 2.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like those better.Put attitude aside,i would love our draft to be Winslow at 1 and Clarett at 2.

 

[azdad1978]

Numbers I saw:

5 feet 11 tall 225 pounds

4.48 4.47 for 40

19 reps

9 ft 11 long jump

38 1/2 vertical

3.98 short shuttle

6.89 cone

If these numbers are correct he is edging into round 1 and is definitely round 2.

Where did you get those numbers VF? Here's what I found on NFL.com.


Maurice Clarett RB Clarett (5-11 3/8, 230) ran three 40s for times of 4.58, 4.62 and 4.63. He also ran the 10 three times for 1.61, 1.64 and 1.65. He added 19 reps, a 36½-inch vertical, a 9-5 long jump, a 4.30 short shuttle and a 7.17 three-cone drill.

Chris Gamble WR/CB On March 12, Gamble (6-1¼, 196) ran 4.50 and 4.55 in the 40. He had a 39½-inch vertical jump, ran 4.25 in the short shuttle and 6.89 in the cone drill. He also did 16 strength reps. Gamble looked very good, smooth with his change of direction and he closes fast.

On April 5, Gamble ran again. He put up times of 4.61, 4.57 and 4.53 in the 40-yard dash.
Drew Carter WR Carter (6-3 7/8, 202) ran his 40s in 4.39, 4.41 and 4.42. He also displayed a 10-0 long jump and

 

[football karma]

Latest rumor (and I wish I could remember where I read it) has Gamble sliding towards the end of round 1 --

teams were less than impressed with his 40 times, and found his corner technique sloppy --

Gamble might be a little like Bobby Taylor-- A bigger corner who while not a blazer, is athletic enough to keep up with the bigger receivers. Taylor also slipped out of round one into round two on concerns on his speed. The one difference is that Taylor was a more polished corner by the time he entered the draft.

 

[vikesfan]

Saw them on a message board. I will go with your numbers - the numbers I saw could have been the "early" numbers or just plain wrong.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Here's a thought:

Instead of taking Clarett on Day One where he'll eventually end up going, why not wait until Day 2 and draft Clarence Farmer, a player with comparable collegiate & combine stats, injury/durability questions, and off-field problems. If we're taking risks like this, I'd rather have it on Day 2 where its cheaper and we won't lose out on other talent by possibly "wasting" a draft pick.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You can't be seriously comparing the level of RB ablity of Farmer to Clarett? If Clarett would've returned to college,he's the heisman trophy favorite. I barely ever heard of Farmer.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You can't be seriously comparing the level of RB ablity of Farmer to Clarett? If Clarett would've returned to college,he's the heisman trophy favorite. I barely ever heard of Farmer.

Well that's probably because a) its your bedtime before Pac10 games start or b) you're too busy jocking your Buckeyes to notice any other collegiate programs, even if they are mediocre as UofA's.


You can look at their college stats if you want to or look into scouts opinions. They both have a very similar upside and they have both have the same questions, except Clarett is going on Day One because of the national media spotlight on him and his former program, while Farmer should slip to Day 2 because football hasn't been existent in Tucson since Mackovic came to town.

 

[spanky1]

Well that's probably because a) its your bedtime before Pac10 games start or b) you're too busy jocking your Buckeyes to notice any other collegiate programs, even if they are mediocre as UofA's.


You can look at their college stats if you want to or look into scouts opinions. They both have a very similar upside and they have both have the same questions, except Clarett is going on Day One because of the national media spotlight on him and his former program, while Farmer should slip to Day 2 because football hasn't been existent in Tucson since Mackovic came to town.

Farmer slips into Day 2 because of the "risks" associated with his attitude.

 

[football karma]

I like the Farmer thinking--

Mackovic, who coached both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams, beleived that Farmer has that level of ability.

Farmer wouldnt be the first guy who didnt get along with a new college coach----

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Sounds Like Mo

Farmer slips into Day 2 because of the "risks" associated with his attitude.

As far as we're concerned it depends on how bad DG wants a running back.

If he REALLY wants a running back he'll pick Clarett in round 2.....Mo won't be there in round 3.

Farmer would be a great pick up in round 4 or 5.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Well that's probably because a) its your bedtime before Pac10 games start or b) you're too busy jocking your Buckeyes to notice any other collegiate programs, even if they are mediocre as UofA's.


You can look at their college stats if you want to or look into scouts opinions. They both have a very similar upside and they have both have the same questions, except Clarett is going on Day One because of the national media spotlight on him and his former program, while Farmer should slip to Day 2 because football hasn't been existent in Tucson since Mackovic came to town.

You're right i don't watch any college football.Who is this Manning guy people keep talking about? Plus, i seriously doubt that teams let the national media,which has done nothing but slam Clarett, affect where they draft anyone. Otherwise,every heisman trophy winner would be a top choice.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That's not true; media exposure can affect draft position as teams/scouts see more of players in bigger programs and less of players in weaker programs. This can be especially true with teams with archaic drafting approaches like the Cards & Bengals had at certain points in their existences.

Players shoot up draft boards all the time due to television exposure. If Michael Vick hadn't played in the 2000 NC game aginst Florida St. and played the game he did, would he have left after his injury-riddled sophmore year and been the consensus #1 pick? Maybe, but I doubt it.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

That's not true; media exposure can affect draft position as teams/scouts see more of players in bigger programs and less of players in weaker programs. This can be especially true with teams with archaic drafting approaches like the Cards & Bengals had at certain points in their existences.

Players shoot up draft boards all the time due to television exposure. If Michael Vick hadn't played in the 2000 NC game aginst Florida St. and played the game he did, would he have left after his injury-riddled sophmore year and been the consensus #1 pick? Maybe, but I doubt it.

I was following you until the last comment. Sure that game helped Vick, but this kid has been talked about, scouted since High School. He would have still been the overall #1 choice.

Remember he finished 3rd in the heisman voting as a freshman, and led VTech to an 11-0 season, and was regarded as the best running QB in the history of the NCAA. (of course debatable) I think the NC game woke fans up more around the country of who he was, but scouts, football guys certainly already knew.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Vick was a stud throughout college, any FB fan could attest to that. But say a missed FG or something during the season allowed Tech to go from 11-0 to 10-1 and make them play in The Gator Bowl instead of the NC game, would Vick have finished 3rd in the Heisman polling? Maybe. But being on primetime in the NC game and wowing all viwers like he did opened up the eyes of many people, including probabaly some owners, who ultimately have the final say in top draft choices. Without playing and excelling in that game as Vick did and say he still got injured the next season, Vick would maybe still have gone #1 (we'll never know), but I doubt he would have been as highly-thought of in many circles were it not for his play the previous season against Florida St. The FSU cemented his status so much as a future #1 pick that even injuries his sophmore year didn't scare teams away. If he never played in the game, I'm guessing teams would have looked harder into his injuries.

 

[mdamien13]

You can't be seriously comparing the level of RB ablity of Farmer to Clarett? If Clarett would've returned to college,he's the heisman trophy favorite. I barely ever heard of Farmer.

Clarett was a stud running back but I saw Farmer absolutely control football games when given the chance. He had a lot of wiggle for a guy of his size and he was one of the few intimidating RBs I saw in the Pac-10. Farmer made a few 1st teams after his sophmore season (I know for sure he was 1st team all Pac-10) but he was injured for his junior year. If things gell for him in the NFL, watch out.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Vick was a stud throughout college, any FB fan could attest to that. But say a missed FG or something during the season allowed Tech to go from 11-0 to 10-1 and make them play in The Gator Bowl instead of the NC game, would Vick have finished 3rd in the Heisman polling? Maybe. But being on primetime in the NC game and wowing all viwers like he did opened up the eyes of many people, including probabaly some owners, who ultimately have the final say in top draft choices. Without playing and excelling in that game as Vick did and say he still got injured the next season, Vick would maybe still have gone #1 (we'll never know), but I doubt he would have been as highly-thought of in many circles were it not for his play the previous season against Florida St. The FSU cemented his status so much as a future #1 pick that even injuries his sophmore year didn't scare teams away. If he never played in the game, I'm guessing teams would have looked harder into his injuries.

Well I knew who he was before he ever committed to Vtech. Granted I am a Big East football fan, so maybe the news wasnt so widespread. There is no doubt that game helped, I am not disputing that one bit, what I am saying is that in lots of circles, prior to him committing to VTech, he was looked on in the same light as Lebron James. Schools clamoring for his commitment, getting advice from NFL players, etc etc.

I guess what I am saying is IMO that one game showcased what a lot of other people already knew. I certainly think people woke up after that game and started talking about him, but his talent and shine was there prior to that.

I still contend, especially with the draft class he came in with, that he would have been the #1 pick regardless of that game. Scouts and GM's may very well point to that game, but when it comes down to it, they have to scout more than just 1 game.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think we agree with each other, we're just saying it in different words.