Colangelo placed a phone call on Bell

[nowagimp]

if this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKAj0HQnsuA&search=kwame

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FJWp_9tWA&search=Luke%20Walton%20Foul

dont warrent 1 game suspensions and Raja's does, then the league has a clear bias towards the Lakers over the Suns.

the refs have let this series get physical and there have been no punishments for recent actions. the suns should not be the only ones punished because the refs and league NOW decide to take control. if Raja gets suspended, the league should then bring suspensions upon Kwame and Luke (or at least Kwame) for game 6.

I hadnt seen the quami foul on replay until now. That foul certainly merited a suspension. The league has a real problem here with bias when bell is suspended as both Walton and quami should have been suspended.

 

[Chaplin]

Unlike you, I'm actually willing to give someone else some benfit of the doubt without assuming they're wrong. If you actually read something before flying off the handle you'd see where I stated that in my mind Raja went over right after the incident. I only noticed Raja walking towards the Laker bench, no Laker came towards Raja nor did their voices stand out among the situation like Bell's did.

Give me a freaking break, you're the one assuming you know the facts and are in a position to question people who were actually there's judgment after watching it from your living room couch.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. I stated that I was going by what I saw on television--even going so far as to concede that. I asked where you were in the arena in relation to the incident, but you never did reply to that. I'm just saying your view is not an end-all and be-all in the scheme of things. You had a better view of it, but if you don't remember Odom approaching him and Smush holding back, I don't know what to tell you--that's what I remember MOST about the aftermath of the play.

I also noticed no Laker going toward Raja except for Lamar Odom. I also did not see the Laker bench yelling at him. I still don't believe that Raja yelled at the Laker bench with no provocation. I believe that because I think that after Raja pulled Kobe down, he knew he was in a lot of trouble, otherwise he would have pulled a Kwame and stared him down. I don't think going straight to the Laker bench for no reason makes much sense in this case.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I was sitting row 15 at the foul line opposite the Lakers bench. Pretty good vantage point for me and Raja was taunting the Laker bench at midcourt after the initial takedown. I can say that with 100% certainty. Whether or not he did it in response to Odom or the bench yelling at him I can't ever know but I still think that action is going to be the icing on the cake once his suspension is handed down as it completely disproves his temporary insanity defense.

 

[Chaplin]

I was sitting row 15 at the foul line opposite the Lakers bench. Pretty good vantage point for me and Raja was taunting the Laker bench at midcourt after the initial takedown. I can say that with 100% certainty. Whether or not he did it in response to Odom or the bench yelling at him I can't ever know but I still think that action is going to be the icing on the cake once his suspension is handed down as it completely disproves his temporary insanity defense.

So what exactly are we arguing about, because I pretty much concur with that entire post. The only thing I don't agree with has to do with provocation, but you're not claiming anything disputing that, so there really isn't much of a problem here, right?

 

[jbeecham]

I really want to know what was being said over there.

I read somewhere that Raja told the Lakers bench that that foul was on them. I'll try to find the article.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I read somewhere that Raja told the Lakers bench that that foul was on them. I'll try to find the article.

I'd also like to know what Kobe said to the ref to get tossed, but I guess that's just between those two.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yep, and Kobe caught a two game suspension because the league said it won't tolerate anything above the shoulders.

Kobe's was well warranted. Raja's will be as well.

"anything above the shoulders" like kobe's four well-placed elbows to the head? i think raja's actions merit a suspension, but i also think kobe's combined obviously premeditated MO of throwing the 'bow to the noggin' should merit the same. the last one he reared back the elbow of his left arm while catching a pass thrown from the front right side. how does the elbow reach back away from the area where the ball is being thrown in a natural motion? answer, it does so only if it is an intentional blow to the head of the defender standing behind kobe. let's not be naive.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'll also take back that Kobe elbowed Raja in the face...that did not happen. I watched it a few times and it wasn't there. Great flop by Bell.

Bell, however, is grabbing Kobe's waist on every post up like he wants to dance with him.

so you're saying the cool, calm, collected raja bell. the unflappable guy throughout the year, just went postal for NO REASON when he closelined kobe??? that makes zero sense.

 

[Renz]

so you're saying the cool, calm, collected raja bell. the unflappable guy throughout the year, just went postal for NO REASON when he closelined kobe??? that makes zero sense.

It does when you consider how much the two dislike each other.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay. Since you were at the game and all...

Raja walked away from Kobe right towards the Laker bench and called them all out. It just just the icing on the cake when it comes the stupidity of Raja Bell last night. I want to win as much as the next guy, but having to resort to thuggery, taunting, and flopping to get there is flat-out pathetic.

um, the lakers, under phil jackson, have a history of thuggery. he selects an unlikely thug (see pretty boy rick fox back in the day) and has them get under an opponents skin. sounds like he did the same with waltons dangerous play on tim thomas at the onset of the game. unlikely thug. and the physicality which the lakers have displayed throughout the series has set the tone. you think the "soft" suns have turned this series into a wrestling match? the same suns who foul the least in the nba? no, no, my friend, if you want to know why this series is the way it is, be honest with yourself, it's all lakers. the suns are merely starting to respond in kind.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

um, the lakers, under phil jackson, have a history of thuggery. he selects an unlikely thug (see pretty boy rick fox back in the day) and has them get under an opponents skin. sounds like he did the same with waltons dangerous play on tim thomas at the onset of the game. unlikely thug. and the physicality which the lakers have displayed throughout the series has set the tone. you think the "soft" suns have turned this series into a wrestling match? the same suns who foul the least in the nba? no, no, my friend, if you want to know why this series is the way it is, be honest with yourself, it's all lakers. the suns are merely starting to respond in kind.

But why even stoop to that level? The Suns are the better team, just go out there and beat them. I remember the MJ and Phil Bulls teams never getting suckered into the Knicks thuggery, they just ran them off the court and laughed about it afterwards.

 

[jbeecham]

I read somewhere that Raja told the Lakers bench that that foul was on them. I'll try to find the article.

I found the article:

After Bell threw Bryant down, he pointed to the Lakers' bench and yelled, "That's your foul."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AluLiaBNZ2BCjbndzJE7_Vi8vLYF?gid=2006050221

 

[Renz]

But why even stoop to that level? The Suns are the better team, just go out there and beat them. I remember the MJ and Phil Bulls teams never getting suckered into the Knicks thuggery, they just ran them off the court and laughed about it afterwards.

You have to pick your spots if you are trying to make some kind of statement.

Bell clothes-lined the other team's best player ten feet from the basket after the game had all ready been decided. He should be suspended on stupidity alone.

 

[jbeecham]

You have to pick your spots if you are trying to make some kind of statement.

Bell clothes-lined the other team's best player ten feet from the basket after the game had all ready been decided. He should be suspended on stupidity alone.

Walton floors Tim Thomas in the 1st two minutes of game 3. Kwame floors Diaw with a full arm extention and elbow to Diaw's head and then stands over him showing intent. THey should be suspended for stupidity as well.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I found the article:

After Bell threw Bryant down, he pointed to the Lakers' bench and yelled, "That's your foul."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AluLiaBNZ2BCjbndzJE7_Vi8vLYF?gid=2006050221

As much as I hate Kobe, this is a funny quote from that article you posted:

"He didn't like my toneage, if that's a word." Bryant said. "He's the decider. Is that a word, decider?"

Is it a word? I don't know. Ask President select Dumbya Bush. He's a decider....

 

[gdiddy]

So, you are saying that if Kobe had done the exact same thing to Raja, you wouldn't be calling for his head?

Seriously?

Come on dude...take off the myopia shades and get with the real world. That crap is uncalled for.

Raja's going to taste his own medicine, and it tastes like Phoenix weather on a Thursday night...and maybe more.

Myopia? Maybe you're the one suffering myopia when you fail to recognize the leagues blatant hypocrisy of giving Luke Walton and Kwame Brown a free pass.

Suns players are not thugs and instigators like Lakers players. Like I said, the LAKERS are the ones who set the tone in this game. Their leader? Kobe Bryant. Our leader? Steve Nash. Don't sit there and tell me that both have the same personality. Kobe is the most conceited, arrogant, stuck-up player on the court, and his personality is reflected through the rest of his punk team mates. This is not the kind of basketball that Phoenix plays during the regular season. Nash is already getting sick of the thuggish and childish attitude coming from the Lakers.

That's why, in the words of Raja to the Lakers bench, "there's your foul."

Now suck it up and quick being a freakin' crybaby. It's ok for your team to impose its game on the Suns, but let it go the other way around you're fit to be tied.

Phoenix has much to be angry about right now.