Combine Thoughts/Things To Look For

[don7031]

Maybe it is time for those on the McKinney bandwagon to jump over to Stephone Anthony. McKinney came in at 6'4" an inch below his listed 6'5" and put up a pedestrian 16 reps on the bench press. Anthony is 6'3" and put up a respectable 23 reps.

The bench press is an indicator of how hard a kid is willing to work. Which brings me to Vic Beasley. Faced with concerns on his size and strength he got to work. He came in at 246 lbs and pressed out a very impressive 35 reps.

 

[WildBB]

Maybe it is time for those on the McKinney bandwagon to jump over to Stephone Anthony. McKinney came in at 6'4" an inch below his listed 6'5" and put up a pedestrian 16 reps on the bench press. Anthony is 6'3" and put up a respectable 23 reps.

The bench press is an indicator of how hard a kid is willing to work. Which brings me to Vic Beasley. Faced with concerns on his size and strength he got to work. He came in at 246 lbs and pressed out a very impressive 35 reps.

Beasley will be loooonnnngggg gone by our pick @24.

ILB and OL are definate options. I'd be thrilled getting Ereck Flowers or even Cameron Erving to add to the OL.

But from BA's comments he wants to add speed to the LB core, and that has to be early or in the 2nd.

 

[Finito]

Maybe it is time for those on the McKinney bandwagon to jump over to Stephone Anthony. McKinney came in at 6'4" an inch below his listed 6'5" and put up a pedestrian 16 reps on the bench press. Anthony is 6'3" and put up a respectable 23 reps.

The bench press is an indicator of how hard a kid is willing to work. Which brings me to Vic Beasley. Faced with concerns on his size and strength he got to work. He came in at 246 lbs and pressed out a very impressive 35 reps.

Lol no the bench press is not an indicator of work ethic

 

[Bodha]

I'm liking Erving too. He has size and moves well. Plus, being able to play anywhere on the OL is a good thing.

An OL of Veldheer, an in-shape Cooper, Erving, Iupati, and Massie doesn't sound too bad.

Iupati is going to be very, very expensive

Id much rather just take a swing at some mid rounder.


Besides, a Line of Veldheer, Cooper, Erving, X, and Massie is pretty darn good to the point where you dont really need to spend a boatload on X, whoever that is.

 

[don7031]

Lol no the bench press is not an indicator of work ethic

There is no short cut to increasing your bench. If you're dedicated and put the work in, it's shown in the numbers. If you're lazy and don't put the work in, the numbers show that as well.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

An OL of Veldheer, an in-shape Cooper, Erving, Iupati, and Massie doesn't sound too bad.

Sign me up

Having a solid Oline like that would really be huge for the offense.

 

[Bodha]

There is no short cut to increasing your bench. If you're dedicated and put the work in, it's shown in the numbers. If you're lazy and don't put the work in, the numbers show that as well.

Thats not necessarily true. Some are naturally more powerful than others. And you can increase your bench, but the starting point to the ending point is what matters.

Say when you start, even as a big guy, you can only do 9 reps. After all your training, you get up to 18, which is a huge testment to your work ethic. However, compared to everyone else in the combine, 18 is subpar, and youre viewed as lazy?

Stephen Paia did 49 reps. Do you think you can take anybody, train the crap out of them, and theyll ever do 49 reps?

No.

Talent and natural strength is a huge part of it. Bench is very overrated in deciding a guys work ethic. The 40 is actually a better indicator, because itll show if a guy has been working on his form and explosion. The final time isnt as important as the 10 yard split.

 

[Chopper0080]

Thats not necessarily true. Some are naturally more powerful than others. And you can increase your bench, but the starting point to the ending point is what matters.

Say when you start, even as a big guy, you can only do 9 reps. After all your training, you get up to 18, which is a huge testment to your work ethic. However, compared to everyone else in the combine, 18 is subpar, and youre viewed as lazy?

Stephen Paia did 49 reps. Do you think you can take anybody, train the crap out of them, and theyll ever do 49 reps?

No.

Talent and natural strength is a huge part of it. Bench is very overrated in deciding a guys work ethic. The 40 is actually a better indicator, because itll show if a guy has been working on his form and explosion. The final time isnt as important as the 10 yard split.

In terms of bench press...being sub par is a concern, being average is good, and being above average is good. I'm much more concerned with guys who are noticeably below the norm.

 

[Totally_Red]

Iupati is going to be very, very expensive

Id much rather just take a swing at some mid rounder.


Besides, a Line of Veldheer, Cooper, Erving, X, and Massie is pretty darn good to the point where you dont really need to spend a boatload on X, whoever that is.

Iupati is a horrible pass protector IMO besides having the high price tag. I agree on addressing interior offensive line via a 2nd or 3rd draft pick.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Till these guys are being timed in pads and in a actual football situation... well, you get my point

 

[Chopper0080]

Guys from the LB group who impressed me today...

Stephone Anthony - Clemson
*Guy reminds me of Dansby. Good athlete, and good size. He moves very well, and has a LB build. I would like him in round 2.

Bryce Hager - Baylor
*He looks like a LB, and moves really well. Lacks great size, but he can contribute on a NFL team. Could be a starter.

Eric Kendricks - UCLA
*Smooth athlete. Showed he can play all 3 downs.

Shaq Thompson - Washington
*Another smooth athlete. Looks natural in space, which he should. I like him for our pick in round 1.


Regarding Benardrick McKinney...He looks like a 2 down ILB. Maybe he can be an edge guy in sub packages, but I don't see him as a round 1 guy. workout matched tape. Physical specimen, but not great in space.

 

[juza76]

Guys from the LB group who impressed me today...

Stephone Anthony - Clemson
*Guy reminds me of Dansby. Good athlete, and good size. He moves very well, and has a LB build. I would like him in round 2.

Bryce Hager - Baylor
*He looks like a LB, and moves really well. Lacks great size, but he can contribute on a NFL team. Could be a starter.

Eric Kendricks - UCLA
*Smooth athlete. Showed he can play all 3 downs.

Shaq Thompson - Washington
*Another smooth athlete. Looks natural in space, which he should. I like him for our pick in round 1.


Regarding Benardrick McKinney...He looks like a 2 down ILB. Maybe he can be an edge guy in sub packages, but I don't see him as a round 1 guy. workout matched tape. Physical specimen, but not great in space.

Prior the combine charles davis on his mock draft put anthony in the 1st round
After the way he impressed at senior bowl .
At indy was phenomenal today
Do u think is a 1st rounder?

 

[Bodha]

In terms of bench press...being sub par is a concern, being average is good, and being above average is good. I'm much more concerned with guys who are noticeably below the norm.

Say that same subpar bench guy can also squat 600

and besides, there arent any benches on a football field. Can you read, run, and tackle? Thats all that matters.

Tyrann, even for his small size, is considered especially weak. Awesome player.

Arguably worst combine of all time, including 16 reps ("subpar") Vontaze Burfict, Pro Bowl franchise ILB now.

Dont be fooled by the undie olympics. It def has its value, but id say no more than 10% when grading a player.

I dont like him even a little bit, no thanks, but Paul Dawson ran a 4.9 today. Thats beyond horrendous, and yet his tape says hes a phenomenal player

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Guys from the LB group who impressed me today...

Stephone Anthony - Clemson
*Guy reminds me of Dansby. Good athlete, and good size. He moves very well, and has a LB build. I would like him in round 2.

Bryce Hager - Baylor
*He looks like a LB, and moves really well. Lacks great size, but he can contribute on a NFL team. Could be a starter.

Eric Kendricks - UCLA
*Smooth athlete. Showed he can play all 3 downs.

Shaq Thompson - Washington
*Another smooth athlete. Looks natural in space, which he should. I like him for our pick in round 1.


Regarding Benardrick McKinney...He looks like a 2 down ILB. Maybe he can be an edge guy in sub packages, but I don't see him as a round 1 guy. workout matched tape. Physical specimen, but not great in space.

Out of those players, I'd prefer Anthony in round 3, although he could sneak into round 2. I think Thompson is just too small to play in the Cards scheme. He's 6'0 228. That's not much different than Bucannon.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Out of those players, I'd prefer Anthony in round 3, although he could sneak into round 2. I think Thompson is just too small to play in the Cards scheme. He's 6'0 228. That's not much different than Bucannon.

Right, and Bucannon played ILB all year long. I think Thompson can handle it if matched with a bigger player next to him.

The problem is, some of the luster came off Shaq Thompson, I expected a workout similar to Ryan Shazier from last year, and Thompson wasn't close.

Thompson might be a better fit at RB as some teams have suggested. He looked like a beast playing RB last year.

 

[Bodha]

The problem is, some of the luster came off Shaq Thompson, I expected a workout similar to Ryan Shazier from last year, and Thompson wasn't close.

That's not fair to put those expectations on Shaq. Shazier is super special. I think I wanted to draft him more than Ive ever wanted to draft anyone.

TBH, I think at this point my favorite ILB might be Anthony.

Ive never been a big Shaq fan, not sure why. Im rapidly losing my interest in Benardrick. Despite all his numbers in college, Im starting to question Kendricks ability at the next level. I like Perryman, but I don't think itll be him just because BA and Keim want size on D, and Perrymans small.

Anthony looked great at he combine, he looks good on tape, and hes got good size.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Right, and Bucannon played ILB all year long. I think Thompson can handle it if matched with a bigger player next to him.

The problem is, some of the luster came off Shaq Thompson, I expected a workout similar to Ryan Shazier from last year, and Thompson wasn't close.

Thompson might be a better fit at RB as some teams have suggested. He looked like a beast playing RB last year.

That was my point. Instead of wasting a draft pick, a 1st rounder at that, by asking a guy to play the same role, just use Bucannon and draft a player that can play a different position.

 

[Chopper0080]

Say that same subpar bench guy can also squat 600

and besides, there arent any benches on a football field. Can you read, run, and tackle? Thats all that matters.

Tyrann, even for his small size, is considered especially weak. Awesome player.

Arguably worst combine of all time, including 16 reps ("subpar") Vontaze Burfict, Pro Bowl franchise ILB now.

Dont be fooled by the undie olympics. It def has its value, but id say no more than 10% when grading a player.

I dont like him even a little bit, no thanks, but Paul Dawson ran a 4.9 today. Thats beyond horrendous, and yet his tape says hes a phenomenal player

So, you have to take it for what it is worth. The issue wasn't not taking Burfict in round 1, it was not drafting him at all. The NFL wasn't wrong in Mathieu not being a first round pick, and so far, his 3rd round drafting seems appropriate. Dawson isn't a first round athlete, but that doesn't mean he isn't draftable or can't succeed.

 

[Chopper0080]

That was my point. Instead of wasting a draft pick, a 1st rounder at that, by asking a guy to play the same role, just use Bucannon and draft a player that can play a different position.

Except Thompson wouldn't be playing out of position, and he has college experience playing LB. He has shown LB instincts. His forte will be more as a nickel LB because of his spatial awareness and athleticism, but that will be how he wins in our base defense as well. That being said, if you like Kendricks instincts better, and you feel there isn't a huge drop off in athleticism, then take him instead.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's not fair to put those expectations on Shaq. Shazier is super special. I think I wanted to draft him more than Ive ever wanted to draft anyone.

TBH, I think at this point my favorite ILB might be Anthony.

Ive never been a big Shaq fan, not sure why. Im rapidly losing my interest in Benardrick. Despite all his numbers in college, Im starting to question Kendricks ability at the next level. I like Perryman, but I don't think itll be him just because BA and Keim want size on D, and Perrymans small.

Anthony looked great at he combine, he looks good on tape, and hes got good size.

See, I haven't seen consistent production out of Anthony to validate a 1st round grade. That doesn't mean it isn't there, but I have not seen it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

See, I haven't seen consistent production out of Anthony to validate a 1st round grade. That doesn't mean it isn't there, but I have not seen it.

Agreed. He was a 3rd/4th round rated prospect entering the combine. He may have moved up a round but I highly doubt he even gets into the top 50, much less round 1.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Except Thompson wouldn't be playing out of position, and he has college experience playing LB. He has shown LB instincts. His forte will be more as a nickel LB because of his spatial awareness and athleticism, but that will be how he wins in our base defense as well. That being said, if you like Kendricks instincts better, and you feel there isn't a huge drop off in athleticism, then take him instead.

This is how I see it. Thompson WAS a LB at UW. It's not like he's a guy who has never played LB and is moving over from safety.

What's forgotten at the combine often is that some guys might be small, or a bit slow, but have a knack for making plays. Shaq Thompson was one of the biggest playmakers in all of college football last year, whether you lined him up at LB, S, OR RB.

He's a very good football player and would be one of the Cardinals best 11 defenders immediately.

 

[Bodha]

See, I haven't seen consistent production out of Anthony to validate a 1st round grade. That doesn't mean it isn't there, but I have not seen it.

I didnt say 1st round

Originally I had him 4-5th round. But after the combine, and my souring on the other ILBs, hes rapidly becoming a 3rd rounder. Maybe even 2nd depending on how things shake out.

Ive seen him flash franchise backer stuff on tape. Notably the Florida State game. And he has the physical tools (6'2 240 + speed) to be one.

 

[juza76]

I didnt say 1st round

Originally I had him 4-5th round. But after the combine, and my souring on the other ILBs, hes rapidly becoming a 3rd rounder. Maybe even 2nd depending on how things shake out.

Ive seen him flash franchise backer stuff on tape. Notably the Florida State game. And he has the physical tools (6'2 240 + speed) to be one.

Bodha i wont be sure he wont go in the 1st
At senior b0wl impressed al the scouts on the field
In indy he put freak numbers
Was a 3th rounder before now is a late 1st and earli 2nd pick
Charles davis in his last mock had him in the 1st

 

[Chopper0080]

I didnt say 1st round

Originally I had him 4-5th round. But after the combine, and my souring on the other ILBs, hes rapidly becoming a 3rd rounder. Maybe even 2nd depending on how things shake out.

Ive seen him flash franchise backer stuff on tape. Notably the Florida State game. And he has the physical tools (6'2 240 + speed) to be one.

I think I got you and Juza mixed up. Sorry.