Compensation for Budenholzer?

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Best thing we can hope for is the NBA to intervene with the Suns like they did with the 76ers. Jerry Colangelo took over the 76ers for a brief time to help straighten out that team and maybe he can come back to Phoenix and do the same for the Suns.

+ Bryan Colangelo is the President of basketball operations and general manager of the 76ers. I heard Jerry is still working for them in some capacity?

 

[Ronin]

The Atlanta Hawks and coach Mike Budenholzer have mutually agreed to part ways, league sources told ESPN. Story soon on ESPN.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Atlanta Hawks and coach Mike Budenholzer have mutually agreed to part ways, league sources told ESPN. Story soon on ESPN.

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So we can put the “it was the compensation to the Hawks” theory to rest.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

It was all a ploy to get out of compensation. Let the renegotiations with the Suns resume.

 

[GatorAZ]

Are we still out of it?

 

[AzStevenCal]

It was all a ploy to get out of compensation. Let the renegotiations with the Suns resume.

That would be a nice turn of events but I've read several articles claiming that Bud's dream job is New York. I can't imagine WANTING to live there but obviously, it's the first and sometimes only choice for a lot of people.

 

[BC867]

That would be a nice turn of events but I've read several articles claiming that Bud's dream job is New York. I can't imagine WANTING to live there but obviously, it's the first and sometimes only choice for a lot of people.

I spent the first 37 years of my life living in the New Jersey suburbs of NYC. Five hours a days of round trip commuting. The highest income tax combination in the country and a high cost of living.

But then, I didn't have a job paying millions of dollars a year.

As long as you don't mind the blizzards of winter, the hurricanes and constant rain and the dripping humidity of summer (which also made the winters bone chilling).

I also didn't like the nasty attitude of too many of the people, which Bud would find out about as Head Coach.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So we can put the “it was the compensation to the Hawks” theory to rest.

Not necessarily. This might indicate that it actually WAS and issue with both the Suns and Knicks and Bud went back to the Hawks and said "If you want to get rid of me, you are going to have to release me."

Who knows? Maybe the Suns now have a, like, 1/1000000 chance.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not necessarily. This might indicate that it actually WAS and issue with both the Suns and Knicks and Bud went back to the Hawks and said "If you want to get rid of me, you are going to have to release me."

Who knows? Maybe the Suns now have a, like, 1/1000000 chance.

Uh yeah right.

 

[Ronin]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/04/27...e-13-million-remaining-on-his-hawks-contract/

 

[Mainstreet]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/04/27...e-13-million-remaining-on-his-hawks-contract/

It appears the Hawks were more concerned about paying the remainder of Budenholzer's salary than compensation.

If another team signs him this offsets what the Hawks owe him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It appears the Hawks were more concerned about paying the remainder of Budenholzer's salary than compensation.

If another team signs him this offsets what the Hawks owe him.

Interesting that he still has not landed anywhere yet. Teams are taking their time filling coaching slots.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It appears the Hawks were more concerned about paying the remainder of Budenholzer's salary than compensation.

If another team signs him this offsets what the Hawks owe him.

That's why I kept saying we didn't need to give the Hawks compensation. They had no leverage, just a fantasy. And since they also needed to hire someone, they couldn't just wait out the teams that didn't want to give away assets.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's why I kept saying we didn't need to give the Hawks compensation. They had no leverage, just a fantasy. And since they also needed to hire someone, they couldn't just wait out the teams that didn't want to give away assets.

I think some of us (myself included) were thinking compensation might be needed to land Bud. As it turns out it was not needed. Even Scott Bordow was thinking along those same lines.

I do think the Hawks thoroughly explored getting compensation for Bud before realizing it was not going to happen. Good call on your part.

 

[Mainstreet]

Interesting that he still has not landed anywhere yet. Teams are taking their time filling coaching slots.

Bud is owed $13 million so there is really no rush for him to do anything.

My guess is he is wanting to go to the Bucks and he can afford to let the situation play out.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bud is owed $13 million so there is really no rush for him to do anything.

My guess is he is wanting to go to the Bucks and he can afford to let the situation play out.

It is interesting. His money for the next two years is guaranteed. So, he has no urgency to sign on anywhere quickly. I wonder if Sarver said something like, "Here is the offer (and not a lowball offer) but I would like an answer before you leave." And Bud declined to do that because he knows he has time to shop.

 

[Mainstreet]

It is interesting. His money for the next two years is guaranteed. So, he has no urgency to sign on anywhere quickly. I wonder if Sarver said something like, "Here is the offer (and not a lowball offer) but I would like an answer before you leave." And Bud declined to do that because he knows he has time to shop.

It's sure a solid thought.

Another thought is that Sarver did not offer Bud more money than the Hawks deal to make it worthwhile.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's sure a solid thought.

Another thought is that Sarver did not offer Bud more money than the Hawks deal to make it worthwhile.

Not likely. They were torn to shreds publicly for not going through the whole process when they hired Watson and they made it clear that wouldn't happen this time. With a planned second round of interviews, I can't see anything more than salary range being discussed in the opening round.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not likely. They were torn to shreds publicly for not going through the whole process when they hired Watson and they made it clear that wouldn't happen this time. With a planned second round of interviews, I can't see anything more than salary range being discussed in the opening round.

I'm not talking about being cheap but the Hawks were paying Bud well and he likely want a significant raise. Maybe the Suns were not willing to go that high.

 

[Chaplin]

Not likely. They were torn to shreds publicly for not going through the whole process when they hired Watson and they made it clear that wouldn't happen this time. With a planned second round of interviews, I can't see anything more than salary range being discussed in the opening round.

If Budenholzer was requiring McD to give up some of his power, you can be damn sure that was discussed. Suns said no, Bud withdrew. That seems just as likely, maybe even more so, than Sarver lowballing him.

Think about the timeline (what little we know of it). Bud meets with McD and the front office team for 2 days. Then he gets on the phone for a 1-on-1 with Sarver (who was apparently with scouts in Europe watching Doncic at the time). He withdraws after that. It could be that it was this 1-on-1 call where he demanded more control that he couldn't really demand when meeting with the very guy he would take that control from. Sarver showed loyalty to McD and said no, Bud withdrew consideration.

I don't know if that's what happened, but it doesn't seem far-fetched.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not likely. They were torn to shreds publicly for not going through the whole process when they hired Watson and they made it clear that wouldn't happen this time. With a planned second round of interviews, I can't see anything more than salary range being discussed in the opening round.

They would not have been torn to shreds for getting the top coach available. They met with Bud for TWO days and you don't think anything more than salary range was discussed.

That doesn't seem realistic.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They would not have been torn to shreds for getting the top coach available. They met with Bud for TWO days and you don't think anything more than salary range was discussed.

That doesn't seem realistic.

It seems very realistic to me. Unless we were offering him the job, I can't imagine us discussing anything specific about the pay.

 

[SirStefan32]

If Budenholzer was requiring McD to give up some of his power, you can be damn sure that was discussed. Suns said no, Bud withdrew. That seems just as likely, maybe even more so, than Sarver lowballing him.

Think about the timeline (what little we know of it). Bud meets with McD and the front office team for 2 days. Then he gets on the phone for a 1-on-1 with Sarver (who was apparently with scouts in Europe watching Doncic at the time). He withdraws after that. It could be that it was this 1-on-1 call where he demanded more control that he couldn't really demand when meeting with the very guy he would take that control from. Sarver showed loyalty to McD and said no, Bud withdrew consideration.

I don't know if that's what happened, but it doesn't seem far-fetched.

Seems far more likely than what the negative crowd came up with.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If Budenholzer was requiring McD to give up some of his power, you can be damn sure that was discussed. Suns said no, Bud withdrew. That seems just as likely, maybe even more so, than Sarver lowballing him.

Think about the timeline (what little we know of it). Bud meets with McD and the front office team for 2 days. Then he gets on the phone for a 1-on-1 with Sarver (who was apparently with scouts in Europe watching Doncic at the time). He withdraws after that. It could be that it was this 1-on-1 call where he demanded more control that he couldn't really demand when meeting with the very guy he would take that control from. Sarver showed loyalty to McD and said no, Bud withdrew consideration.

I don't know if that's what happened, but it doesn't seem far-fetched.

I thought Bud and Sarver met face to face. Did I miss something about it being a phone interview? I had thought the only phone interviewing we did was with playoff engaged coaches.

 

[Chaplin]

I thought Bud and Sarver met face to face. Did I miss something about it being a phone interview? I had thought the only phone interviewing we did was with playoff engaged coaches.

How? Sarver was in Europe watching Doncic.